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Had several request about my shop speaker system but info is scattered in shop build thread across 4 different pic hosting sites including broken photofuckit, so here is the condensed version. My passion for loud music lead me to start building speakers when I was 13 with my dad's tools. By the end of high school I had designed and built a lot of speaker boxes using software from a floppy disk. I went on to get my electrical engineering degree and worked with audio/acoustic among other things. This project took about 2 years as I was building the building at the same time.

The main speakers are a leftover Rockford Fosgate 6.5" component set that was collecting dust in my closet. I build simple rectangle enclosures without regard to volume as they are bi amp'd/high pass filtered above the frequencies that the cone moves much. Passive filters are on the outside.
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The sub enclosures are simple 2nd order (ported) with design goal of high output at very low frequency (20-40). Trade-off is reduced efficiency (not as loud). To keep port velocity low, two 4" pipes are used, but have to be really long to get low resonant frequency. So a brace is used to support the inner end.
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Using a free online box calculator, the enclosures are 2.9 cu ft (net) and have a system Fs of 28 Hz. This yields a -3db point (half power) at 27 hz, and a small peak/bump at 33hz. Given room reflections the system is flat below 20hz.

The subs are Rockford Fosgate 12" P3s, and are the only thing I bough new, however I got them at cost as my wife was a former employee now contractor. They are dual 2 ohm wired in series to get 4 ohm nominal. The ports are abut 25" long, but the opening needs to be at least one diameter away from the wall. The driver, brace and port volumes also have to be added to the box volume so gross box volume is around 3.4 cu ft.

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The box ratio started as golden (1.6:1.0:0.6) with adjustments to fit driver on medium side and port length. The brace is cut to help equalize pressures, and not create any additional chambers. The box walls are lined with Dacron to reduce standing waves, and also effectively (although slightly) lower required box volume to achieve the target Q/Fs by increasing damping.
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Once complete I tested by doing manual frequency sweep with simple volt meter to determine tune frequency and adjusted port length to fit software target projections.

To calculate resonant frequency from impedance curve, I used a 4 ohm high power resistor to make a voltage divider/current sense. This allows the drive level differences to be negated. I then measured voltage across the coils in series and the resistor to back calculate resistance at several frequencies.
The min value is the system Fs, which was 6 ohms. above and below this the resistance is higher and the amp doesn't have to deliver as much power to achieve the same output.

They remained unfinished for a long time;
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The speaker are driven with pro audio gear I found used on CL and Ebay. I built a temporary 19" rack out of 2x4s. Signal flow is a Bluetooth to analog adapter into 1/3 octave EQ, 2 way x-over, amps. 1700 watts. The amps are old and needed some of the electrolytic capacitors replaced to operate properly. The are an odd floating rail design with a virtual gnd. The speaker current goes through the power supply capacitors. If the demanded output voltage goes above the nominal rail voltage, the rail is driven up to allow a higher voltage.
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I eventually built a shelf to get the gear off the ground. I bought a cheap calibrated mic and tuned/flattened the system with a RTA app on my phone. The result was impressive for the $, especially the low end. Tone were brutal and shook the building. What I didn't realize at the time was that the sub amp's 50 Hz high pass filter was turned on, effectively filtering out bass below 50...
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After spending a year or so working on the building interior I got back to the system. Built a 19" rack because I am cheap and space was limited.
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Painted mains
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Moved speakers to the shelf. Was like this for awhile, finished doors on shelf so sub were hidden.
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Next step was to finish the subs. The plan all along was exhaust pipe extentions, so
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Paint;
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The goal was not a perfect finish, as this is a working shop and things get dirty. After primer I painted with rustolium oil based using foam roller, then sanded and top coated with spray can of the same product.
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Attachment using adjustable carb lift plate and unistrut. This allows tilt adjustability.
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Port extensions. Interior tubes were shortened to compensate.
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Made the rings on a water jet, and TIG welded to the tubing.
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Ceiling mounting system
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Subs hung. One fell on me, I survived. Port extensions are sharp just like hypodermic needle
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Made custom mounts out of all thread for mains. They attach to the box in a channel of uni strut to allow tilt adjustment like the subs. I built a custom adapter out of an nut and flat bar in interface to the clevis to the all-thread. They are adjustable in x/y/z/theta
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Wires ran in braided stainless cover
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Free TV added, system complete. Once I found the 50 Hz filter and turned it off, I realized how bad *** my cobbled together system of leftovers was. Low end is brutal. I intentionally rattle proofed all the light fixtures, which was now needed. Really happy with system. Re-tuned to new location. Goes as loud as I need, and I can crank it up any time I want without worrying about annoying wife or neighbors.
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Some vinyl stickers.
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Awesome. Thanks for the write up, and the outcome/attention to the details really paid off.

it is pretty amazing what you can find used electronics wise after a few years. The value falls off a cliff if you got back a decade or more.
 

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Can you dumb it down for us old guys...

I don't see a radio receiver. Don't care?
You can play the TV's sound through your system?
Is it Bluetooth that allows the device to pair?

Incredible looking. Not sure I'm all about the bass. :beer:
 

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Absolutely fantastic! The exhaust tips really set it off as unique!

I am now motivated to add subs to my garage system which is based on 20 year old car audio gear. Would you provide rough specs (exterior dimensions of the box and tube length) of one of your subs?
 

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Some day my garage M12 Bluetooth speaker aspires to grow up to be like your speakers.....

Badass setup! I wish I had the space for a killer stereo like yours. The neighbors would have an aneurysm if I turned that on at my house.
 

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Nice use of car audio and home equipment. Love the pipes for the port. Did the angle on the pipes change the tuning?
 

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Rad

Does the chain system work for isolation and rattling?

Exhaust tips are hilarious and cool.
 
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Awesome. Thanks for the write up, and the outcome/attention to the details really paid off.

it is pretty amazing what you can find used electronics wise after a few years. The value falls off a cliff if you got back a decade or more.
Yes the equipment deprecates quickly. The amps are pretty old and needed some new electrolytic caps. The sub amp is supposedly from the Gin Blossoms.
The new amps are all class D and much lighter/smaller so dinosaurs like these are really cheap.

Thanks for posting.
You've got to be proud of that.
Thanks, it took a long time to get them finished, then I was pretty happy with them.

I know zero about audio systems but tuned pipe speakers look bad ***!
Thanks!

How do you get such clean holes? router?
Little holes are hole saw, medium are circle cutter, large are just a jig saw by hand cleaned up with a drum sander.
 
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Great job Justin. I remember seeing them throughout your shop build thread but seeing them all in one thread makes them stand out even more and the process well thought out and executed.
 
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Can you dumb it down for us old guys...

I don't see a radio receiver. Don't care?
You can play the TV's sound through your system?
Is it Bluetooth that allows the device to pair?

Incredible looking. Not sure I'm all about the bass. :beer:

Correct, no radio 'receiver'. If I want to listen to radio, I can do so with an app on my phone.
There is no 'preamp' either, which is basically a volume knob and a set of input selections. So this system has only one analog input, that is full scale (max volume) at all times. There are plenty of gain controls, but they are left static. Volume is controlled with phone. The phone can be plugged in directly to the analog input, or through the bluetooth adapter.

The TV isn't connected to cable/satellite, it's just a monitor for a laptop. The laptop can be plugged into the audio system just like a phone, so can watch videos with audio thru speakers. I'm not a TV watcher type, I like to putter with tools.

Yes, typical Bluetooth adapter paired to phone. Auto reconnect so just walk in and turn on amp power to use system.

Absolutely fantastic! The exhaust tips really set it off as unique!

I am now motivated to add subs to my garage system which is based on 20 year old car audio gear. Would you provide rough specs (exterior dimensions of the box and tube length) of one of your subs?

I will add the specs above. Basically 3 cuft tuned to 25hz, but that is very specific to the subwoofer themselves. Every speaker needs an appropriately matched box to perform as intended, especially ported enclosures.

That’s awesome J.
Thanks Cam!

Very nice
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Very cool shop, based on the pictures. Did you do a build thread on it?
Thanks, Yes here and link in sig
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Some day my garage M12 Bluetooth speaker aspires to grow up to be like your speakers.....

Badass setup! I wish I had the space for a killer stereo like yours. The neighbors would have an aneurysm if I turned that on at my house.
Thanks BB&G, I am lucky to have a detached building and no close neighbors. When I had similar equipment on the attached garage the wife was not to happy...

Freaking awesome!

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Nice use of car audio and home equipment. Love the pipes for the port. Did the angle on the pipes change the tuning?
Car and pro gear are inherently more robust and intended for harsh environments. Seemed like a good fit.
Yes, the angle effectively changes the length. Given 45* angle, the extra length is half the diameter. A port works on the concept of the mass of air it has inside it.
 
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Does the chain system work for isolation and rattling?

Exhaust tips are hilarious and cool.

Well yes and no. The chain has only tension and no compression, so complicated, but yes provides some mechanical isolation. Otherwise the adjacent wall and all things on it rattle badly. I originally planned to use rubber isolators, but boxes are very heavy and posed challenges. The cotter pins to rattle so put some tape on them.

I though about buying marine exhaust tips like my boat has, until I saw the prices! So I build my own.

Great thread and thanks for sharing! Sure it sounds sick!
Thanks, it was a fun project.
That's mad, I love it!
Thanks!

Great job Justin. I remember seeing them throughout your shop build thread but seeing them all in one thread makes them stand out even more and the process well thought out and executed.
Thanks Mike. It was a challenge to make time for them during the shop build. Priorities...
 
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Nice work! And the boat??

R,
HAP

The boat itself, or the audio system in the boat?
:)
The boat is a 1997 Baja Islander 232 with a 7.4 MPI/bravo. It has a pair of big Alpine amps, a 10" sub and some decent marine component speakers. I bought is will most of the stuff but it was mis-wired and poorly set up.
 

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that is freaking awesome! LOVE the setup! I'm not going to do anything nearly this extreme but I'll be sourcing some home audio components for my shop tunes.
 

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Sweet build, I noticed you have subs in one wall and mains on another.. I know that subs are Omni directional for the most part, but you might gain a lot from firing them in the same direction.. more importantly having them firing from/on the same plane will ensure that they’re time aligned, firing together with minimal phase cancellation. Just a thought, but you’d be surprised how much a few milliseconds of phasing can change a sound system


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Just realized I wasn’t looking at the most recent photo.. I see they’re pretty close now, but I’d bump the mains a touch so the Subs and mains are on the same plane if possible..(unless you’re compensating with delay in your outboard gear) if so, soldier on and forget I’m commenting


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Very cool! Nice job!

I'm with Zmotorsports, I remember seeing them in your other pics and always wanted to know more about them.

Thanks for sharing.
 
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Just realized I wasn’t looking at the most recent photo.. I see they’re pretty close now, but I’d bump the mains a touch so the Subs and mains are on the same plane if possible..(unless you’re compensating with delay in your outboard gear) if so, soldier on and forget I’m commenting


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I didn't specifically align them from the coils but the uni-strut is easy to adjust. Worth testing, thanks.

Awesome job, music takes on a different dimension when you can hear it and feel it.

Thanks, yes I agree with that statement.

Very cool! Nice job!

I'm with Zmotorsports, I remember seeing them in your other pics and always wanted to know more about them.

Thanks for sharing.

Thanks, The project took so long a thread would have not been much fun to read at the time.
 

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I have three Carver PM1.5 amp sitting in the garage from a garage sale I found in the spring time...now I have an idea of what to do with them!
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Damn Justin, finish work (paint, chrome stacks, vinyl, all hung from uni-strut) is amazing. The setup adds so much character to your bench/box setup and creates such a cool working space which would, in and of itself, inspire to make other cool things. I was content with my little boom box style radio but now I feel compelled to reassess. Nicely done.
 

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Awesome! Thanks for the explanation and build details.

My dad had a pair of vintage British transmission-line speakers from the late '70s and I found the next-bigger set years ago, they reach down to 20Hz easily and... I live in a freakin' townhouse and can't enjoy them!
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The only detail that bugs my OCD is the weld seam on the inside of the exhaust pipes, have you considered masking them off and spray-bombing the insides? :thumbup:

 
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I have three Carver PM1.5 amp sitting in the garage from a garage sale I found in the spring time...now I have an idea of what to do with them!
Boy 3 of those should be enough power for any sized shop!

Damn Justin, finish work (paint, chrome stacks, vinyl, all hung from uni-strut) is amazing. The setup adds so much character to your bench/box setup and creates such a cool working space which would, in and of itself, inspire to make other cool things. I was content with my little boom box style radio but now I feel compelled to reassess. Nicely done.

Thanks, glad to inspire, we all need another project right? Given your capabilities I'm sure you could come up with something great.

Awesome! Thanks for the explanation and build details.

My dad had a pair of vintage British transmission-line speakers from the late '70s and I found the next-bigger set years ago, they reach down to 20Hz easily and... I live in a freakin' townhouse and can't enjoy them!
:lol_hitti

The only detail that bugs my OCD is the weld seam on the inside of the exhaust pipes, have you considered masking them off and spray-bombing the insides? :thumbup:

Cool. TL's are an interesting design. I had originally planned a 1/4 wave TL out of a sonotube, because I thought I had the space, but the size, location and mounting made me change my mind. 20hz is 56'/4 -17'...

Ah the seams... I have issue with it as well but managed to suppress urges to address. Such is OCD, vanity or whatever you want to call it. I guess it makes me feel better that you suffer as well. :)
Only the left speaker has them noticeable, as the other side of the cut (on the other speaker) has them on the short side facing the wall. I contemplated a few options including heat treating discoloration, painting black to simulate soot, or sand/polishing them enough to blend. Guess it's time to improve thanks for stopping in.
 
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