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Am I the only one who can't understand why there are no 6 point ratcheting wrenches? I'm sure they are just trying to limit the torque on the ratcheting system, but my ratchets never had a problem with it and they make a torx ratcheting wrench. It almost seems stupid to my to have 12 points on the ratcheting wrench. 12 points make sense on a non ratcheting wrench, as they give you fewer degrees of turn for better access, however you can just turn the 6 point in the ratcheting wrench to the desired angle. So WHAT GIVES?! :headscrat

Oh and just for good measure these seem to be the best selection of ratcheting wrenches, and they even have spline drive...

http://www.gearwrench.com/catalog/wrenches/ratcheting/
 
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Today's modern 12 points with flank drive engage the hex heads just as well as yesterday's 6 points. 12 points engage quicker than 6 points. No need for a ratcheting 6 point. :headshake
 
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well....thats at least confirmation that someone made at least 1...huh I wonder why it's only the 3/4?
 

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Mac Edge is on the right.
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6pt fixed wrenchs are relativey rare as well.... I only own 1 6pt wrench, a 13mm, but there are very few occasions where 6 pt is more important than haveing 12 pt for positioning the wrench at more flexible number of angles...... or something like that... of course that's not as important with a ratcheting but it's still easier to place the wrench over the bolt.
 
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I'm just not sure I buy merks claim in the second post... Whenever I'm busting something loose I ALWAYS reach for a 6pt. Maybe that's just years of rounding off bolt heads and making life much more difficult stuck in my head but I just don't live by the 12pts.


on a side note Whoo hoo! this is my 69th post LOL
 

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I don't think there is any mystery. To make a six point you would have to make the head larger, the gearing smaller, or the metal in the contact surface way smaller.

So a six point would have a huge head, in comparison to the twelve point. The more points, the rounder the part, thus the smaller.
Mathematics are the main reason.
Couple that with the facts that most gear wrenches are not used for brute force work and are already too big in diameter and there is no mystery.
 

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Yup, years of working on old rusted Mustangs and I always reach for the 6 points first. I was bitching the other day about why no double box offset six point wrenches. I scoured ebay and tool manf's web sites and found none. Six point wrenches, they just don't get any respect...
 

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I don't think there is any mystery. To make a six point you would have to make the head larger, the gearing smaller, or the metal in the contact surface way smaller.

So a six point would have a huge head, in comparison to the twelve point. The more points, the rounder the part, thus the smaller.
Mathematics are the main reason.
Couple that with the facts that most gear wrenches are not used for brute force work and are already too big in diameter and there is no mystery.

Show me the math because this makes NO sense. Think about it, the diameter of the six points is exactly the diameter of the 12 points.
 

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Yup, years of working on old rusted Mustangs and I always reach for the 6 points first. I was bitching the other day about why no double box offset six point wrenches. I scoured ebay and tool manf's web sites and found none. Six point wrenches, they just don't get any respect...

Do any German brands make them?
 

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I'm not gonna try to break a stubborn fastener loose with a ratcheting wrench of any make, regardless of point count. They're not made for it. If it's too tight for a 12pt ratcheting box, get a regular box end first, loosen, then ratchet away.
 
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I have a set of the mac edges, double box, offset metric 6 points. I have never used them. I got them because the Mac guy lost tools of mine but that's a long story.
 

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I don't think there is any mystery. To make a six point you would have to make the head larger, the gearing smaller, or the metal in the contact surface way smaller.

So a six point would have a huge head, in comparison to the twelve point. The more points, the rounder the part, thus the smaller.
Mathematics are the main reason.
Couple that with the facts that most gear wrenches are not used for brute force work and are already too big in diameter and there is no mystery.

Show me the math because this makes NO sense. Think about it, the diameter of the six points is exactly the diameter of the 12 points.

Yeah, I don't understand where he is getting that either...

+3 :headscrat :confused: :headscrat :confused:
 

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I'm sure they are just trying to limit the torque on the ratcheting system,

Huh ? .... how is that ?
People will put as much torque on them as they want to no matter what point they are.

Today's modern 12 points with flank drive engage the hex heads just as well as
yesterday's 6 points. 12 points engage quicker than 6 points. No need for a ratcheting 6 point.

I have to pretty much agree with all of that.
A 12 point flank drive socket may be even better than a regular 6 point .

The thing is ,even if you had a ratcheting 6 point ,in a tight spot it may not be positioned so you could get it on the bolt and then you would have to keep turning the 6 point insert till it would fit and I think that would be a real pain.

When Snap On invented flank drive they pretty much changed everything and when there patent ran out everybody started using that design as it is superior.


I don't think there is any mystery. To make a six point you would have to make the head larger, the gearing smaller, or the metal in the contact surface way smaller.

So a six point would have a huge head, in comparison to the twelve point. The more points, the rounder the part, thus the smaller.
Mathematics are the main reason.
Couple that with the facts that most gear wrenches are not used for brute force work and are already too big in diameter and there is no mystery.

What the ..........Ummm ...... No ........ that is all wrong.

The size of the insert would not need to be a bigger outside diameter at all, it would not change .
The only change is that the insert would covering up six more points.
It would just be a 6 point instead of a 12 point no other changes are required.

I saw a 6pt Blue point ratcheting flex head wrench on eBay. It may be still on there.

They are auctually 12 point....well kind of .... with a twist.
On the blue point flex heads they are 12 point all the way through but the one outside edge is 6 point.
They did this so it can be used to prevent the bolts from slipping all the way through the wrench .
It is just another innovation from Snap On.

Obviously the 12 point nut can't slip through and a 6 point will but only if it is aligned with the 6 points on the edge of the wrench.
If it is slipping through you just need to align it over one point and it wont.

I looked at the ebay link and I can see how it would be confusing with only one like that.
As far as that ebay set goes, I have no idea why his are like that.
I have both sae and metric sets and they are all 12 point with a 6 point outer edge just like the one 3/4" wrench pictured.

old snap on clunky ratchet wrenches were either 6 or 12 point

If by "clunky" you mean the ones that have been around a long time that are flat steel riveted together with the exposed teeth ....well Snappy still offers some in 6 point...but not many.

The Mac tools "EDGE" sockets and box wrenches are basically using two of Snap On's patents or at the very least there ideas.

They have the radiused corners to put the load on the flats of the socket (Snap On Flank Drive ) .
Then the have raised ridges on oposing flats like Snap On has in there Flank Drive Plus open end wrenches.

They just combined two of Snap On's ideas.

The only reason the egde wrenches are 6 point is because they have to be as they need the flats to put the raised edges on.
 

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SK makes an awesome set with a 6 point ratchet in the USA called the X Frame. They have a lifetime warranty. You can see some nice videos on YouTube that show how strong they are.

You can also get a Tekton set with no size skips and 6 point ratchets for a fraction of the price of the SK, but they are made in Taiwan.

You can find both on Amazon.
 

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Welcome to Garage Journal. You do realize you just made your first post in response to a 9 year old thread?

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I know that some believe that old threads should die, but I disagree. Especially, when searched are used that lead to threads it is beneficial to have updated information. I have found a thread on here from a search with no answer. I wished that someone had updated that thread which I read with a modern tool which exactly met the criteria.
 

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I have no problem with old threads either, I just find it interesting that one from 9 years ago pops up at random. I hope the new member was not offended, as I did not intend it that way. I welcome and encourage him to keep posting, that's what makes this place interesting.

Thanks for pointing that out.
 
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I clicked on it because I missed it 9 years ago and wanted to find 6 point ratcheting wrenches!

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Why is it always a brand new member who signs up just to reply to a 9 year old post? I see this often and the motive baffles me.

Yeah, I hope the OP made a decision by now...
 

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Why is it always a brand new member who signs up just to reply to a 9 year old post? I see this often and the motive baffles me.

Yeah, I hope the OP made a decision by now...

They're trying to get to the minimum post count so that they can post pictures and direct links.
 

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SK makes an awesome set with a 6 point ratchet in the USA called the X Frame. They have a lifetime warranty. You can see some nice videos on YouTube that show how strong they are.

You can also get a Tekton set with no size skips and 6 point ratchets for a fraction of the price of the SK, but they are made in Taiwan.

You can find both on Amazon.

You can buy Tekton direct and they have great customer service. I just got 2 sets of their double ended 6pt flex ratcheting wrenches standard and metric for my tool bag. I really like the length and feel of them.
 

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The same can be said of 6 point sockets. Why bother to make 12 point sockets when you can move the ratchet a few clicks to line up with the fastener. There are very few 12 point bolt heads unless you work on aircraft.
Am I the only one who can't understand why there are no 6 point ratcheting wrenches? I'm sure they are just trying to limit the torque on the ratcheting system, but my ratchets never had a problem with it and they make a torx ratcheting wrench. It almost seems stupid to my to have 12 points on the ratcheting wrench. 12 points make sense on a non ratcheting wrench, as they give you fewer degrees of turn for better access, however you can just turn the 6 point in the ratcheting wrench to the desired angle. So WHAT GIVES?! :headscrat

Oh and just for good measure these seem to be the best selection of ratcheting wrenches, and they even have spline drive...

http://www.gearwrench.com/catalog/wrenches/ratcheting/

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Today's modern 12 points with flank drive engage the hex heads just as well as yesterday's 6 points. 12 points engage quicker than 6 points. No need for a ratcheting 6 point. :headshake
Not according to the people that make them. They all recommend 6 point for maximum torque. A simple look at a socket on a fastener and you can see how much more metal would have to be stripped away for a 6 point to strip a head than a 12 point. Draw a circle inside a 12 point and see how much bigger it is than a 6 point. There is a reason that most impact sockets are 6 point.

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Today's modern 12 points with flank drive engage the hex heads just as well as yesterday's 6 points. 12 points engage quicker than 6 points. No need for a ratcheting 6 point. :headshake
These posts always make me laugh when I look at the location. 12 point is useless half the time in the rust belt.

Not according to the people that make them. They all recommend 6 point for maximum torque. A simple look at a socket on a fastener and you can see how much more metal would have to be stripped away for a 6 point to strip a head than a 12 point. Draw a circle inside a 12 point and see how much bigger it is than a 6 point. There is a reason that most impact sockets are 6 point.

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6 point ftw.
 

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Why is it always a brand new member who signs up just to reply to a 9 year old post? I see this often and the motive baffles me.

Yeah, I hope the OP made a decision by now...

That thread is how the member discovered the forum. That is basically what I did. If you found the thread high in the search results, but had to keep searching for while because it didn't have the answer, then you might be inclined to help the next searched by putting the answer in a top result.
 

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The question seems to be debated as much now as in the past. It is still relavant.

https://www.tekton.com/which-is-better-in-sockets-and-wrenches-6-point-vs-12-point

There are many info statements like this from the people that make the tools but somebody is always claiming a 12 point is just as strong because of the relieved corners. To be honest, the thread popped up and I did not notice how old it was.
That thread is how the member discovered the forum. That is basically what I did. If you found the thread high in the search results, but had to keep searching for while because it didn't have the answer, then you might be inclined to help the next searched by putting the answer in a top result.

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