PB SWISS Classic vs multicraft vs swissgrip screwdrivers

Gezginite · Mar 10, 2020

I am considering to buy screwdrivers from PB swiss.
I am in doubt if I should buy the classic handles (in CAB), the Multicraft handle (in CAB) or the SwissGrip (in PP – TPE).

So my question to you guys there do own these screwdriver are:
1. Do you prefer screwdrivers in CAB or in PP-TPE?
2. For those of you who do like the CAB screwdrivers, do you prefer the Classsic og multicraft handles?
3. Which is more durable? CAB or PP-TPE (I am more intersted in durable screwdriver rather than comfort).

For those who are not familiar with the plastic types
CAB = Cellulose Acetate Butyrate (the transparent red coloured grips): This material is oil and gasoline-resistant, impact-resistant and made from renewable resources (wood).
PP – TPE = Polypropylene – Thermoplastic Elastomer:
This handle consists of dual components (materials): a ********* with a non-slip shell. It is oil and gasoline-resistant, resistant to solvents as well as heat-resistant in the steam autoclave up to 140C degree.

Dave455 · Mar 10, 2020

Classic CAB handle, no doubt about it.

I have PB drivers 30+ years old with this handle and they show no wear.

Multicraft handle. O.K. If you like it. Probably a better grip but I find the texture makes it harder to clean up.

Swissgrip. Not for me. O.K. in a clean environment but almost impossible to clean properly (you can’t wipe them off) and not particularly durable.

Gezginite · Mar 10, 2020

Avenging Bankroll said:
SwissGrip is actually made from a two component handle (Santoprene/TPE) and the CAB handles have a vanilla scent to mask the smell from decomposing CAB (when/if it does).

That is probably true, but I basically just summarised what PB Swiss wrote on their homepage (when I was looking on how you did clean the screwdrivers): https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/news/detail/the-right-way-to-clean-screwdriver-handles/

Dave455 said:
Classic CAB handle, no doubt about it.

I have PB drivers 30+ years old with this handle and they show no wear.

Multicraft handle. O.K. If you like it. Probably a better grip but I find the texture makes it harder to clean up.

Swissgrip. Not for me. O.K. in a clean environment but almost impossible to clean properly (you can’t wipe them off) and not particularly durable.

If we assume that the screwdrivers are going to be used in a clean environment, would you still say that the classic handles are durable than the multicraft handles and the SwissGrip?

Furthermore you write:"find the texture makes it harder to clean up" it is made by the same material as the classic ones right? Would it not be same difficulty to clean then?

Dave455 · Mar 10, 2020

Gezginite said:
If we assume that the screwdrivers are going to be used in a clean environment, would you still say that the classic handles are durable than the multicraft handles and the SwissGrip?

Furthermore you write:"find the texture makes it harder to clean up" it is made by the same material as the classic ones right? Would it not be same difficulty to clean then?

In a clean environment there won’t be much in it between the Classic and the Multicraft. Both are CAB, both are durable, and both will be long lasting. The Swissgrip with it’s soft Santoprene will not be so long lasting. It’s just not a durable material.

The Classic and the Multicraft are the same material, but they have a different surface texture. The Multicraft are slightly rough textured. It gives you a bit more grip. The Classic are smooth and shiny and wipe clean more easily.

mr.lemons · Mar 10, 2020

I much prefer the Soft-Grip/SwissGrip for the extra grip (with dry hands) though I have had an issue with durability. For me the extra grip and comfort is worth the price of replacing the most used drivers every couple of years. If being durable is your first priority then I would not consider the SwissGrip.

Jack84 · Mar 10, 2020

I prefer the multicraft, easy to clean and thicker than the classic.

Gezginite · Mar 10, 2020

mr.lemons said:
I much prefer the Soft-Grip/SwissGrip for the extra grip (with dry hands) though I have had an issue with durability. For me the extra grip and comfort is worth the price of replacing the most used drivers every couple of years. If being durable is your first priority then I would not consider the SwissGrip.

Durability is my first priority why I might not go with the SwissGrip, but thank you for your opinion and honesty.

Jack84 said:
I prefer the multicraft, easy to clean and thicker than the classic.

Dave455 said:
In a clean environment there won’t be much in it between the Classic and the Multicraft. Both are CAB, both are durable, and both will be long lasting. The Swissgrip with it’s soft Santoprene will not be so long lasting. It’s just not a durable material.

The Classic and the Multicraft are the same material, but they have a different surface texture. The Multicraft are slightly rough textured. It gives you a bit more grip. The Classic are smooth and shiny and wipe clean more easily.

This is a long shot and minor details, but since I do not own any screwdrivers and are considering to buy a full set (one of every size (slotted, philips, pozidriv, hex, torx) and you guys have both screwdrivers, which one would you say is more durable if you absolutely have to choice between the Classic and Multicraft?

The comfortability is not so important since I would only use them once in a while when I have to assambly, build or put something on the wall?

Dave455 · Mar 10, 2020

Gezginite said:
Durability is my first priority why I might not go with the SwissGrip, but thank you for your opinion and honesty.

This is a long shot and minor details, but since I do not own any screwdrivers and are considering to buy a full set (one of every size (slotted, philips, pozidriv, hex, torx) and you guys have both screwdrivers, which one would you say is more durable if you absolutely have to choice between the Classic and Multicraft?

The comfortability is not so important since I would only use them once in a while when I have to assambly, build or put something on the wall?

If you want to buy hex drivers then you have to buy the Classic. They don’t offer hex in Multicraft. No real difference betweeen Classic and Multicraft for durability.

Personally, I would say that a set as you suggest, all PB Swiss, is a bit of overkill for occasional use. When I advised the regular drivers I didn’t realise you wanted that many!

I would probably get a mixture. I’d get a set of maybe 6 slotted, 3 Pozi, and 2 or 3 Phillips. I would then get a 1/4” hex bit driver and bits in hex and torx! You could get additional 1/4” hex bits in Pozi etc if you are working with poor quality screws!

Here are the drivers from my “service bag”, showing that I have done basically that. 5 Slotted, 2 Pozi, and a bit driver. The box has bits in slotted, Phillips, Pozidriv, Hex (both Imperial and Metric) and Torx. Does a lot in a small package!

Gezginite · Mar 10, 2020

Dave455 said:
If you want to buy hex drivers then you have to buy the Classic. They don’t offer hex in Multicraft. No real difference betweeen Classic and Multicraft for durability.

Personally, I would say that a set as you suggest, all PB Swiss, is a bit of overkill for occasional use. When I advised the regular drivers I didn’t realise you wanted that many!

I would probably get a mixture. I’d get a set of maybe 6 slotted, 3 Pozi, and 2 or 3 Phillips. I would then get a 1/4” hex bit driver and bits in hex and torx! You could get additional 1/4” hex bits in Pozi etc if you are working with poor quality screws!

My plan was to buy:
Slotted: 00, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Philips: 00, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4
Pozidriv: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4

I haven't quite decided if should buy the Hex and Torx as screwdrivers or as Key L-wrenches - What do you think would be most durable? classic handle screwdrivers or the Key L-wrenches?

The thing is that I am tired of not having the right tools and I have the mindset where you buy things once and keeping for ever which helps avoiding buying things again.

Wamsutta · Mar 10, 2020

SwissGrip without question. Super comfortable.

Gezginite · Mar 10, 2020

Avenging Bankroll said:
While that may be true for professional use on a daily basis I don't think a premium brand is necessary for a "home-gamer" as that's your intended usage.

The thing is that premium brands are geographically located in the US, Japan or Europe and I live in Denmark which have a solid high import tax on 25% on everything (outside EU), no matter what it is. The cheap tools are usually from outside EU which results in that the premium brand within the EU borders are only approximately 30-50% more expensive than the cheapest screwdriver on the market.

Everything kept equal the cheap screwdriver may need to be replaced within a short time of usage, why the buying the cheap screwdrivers may actually cost me more over a lifetime (or only within a a timespan of 10-15 years)

measuredtwice · Mar 10, 2020

I replied to your posts in another topic with some recommendations.

Gezginite said:
My plan was to buy:
Slotted: 00, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Philips: 00, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4
Pozidriv: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4

I haven't quite decided if should buy the Hex and Torx as screwdrivers or as Key L-wrenches - What do you think would be most durable? classic handle screwdrivers or the Key L-wrenches?

The thing is that I am tired of not having the right tools and I have the mindset where you buy things once and keeping for ever which helps avoiding buying things again.

If your description of the intended casual home use didn't leave anything out, then I seriously doubt that you will ever use some of those larger sizes.

For the smallest sizes (00, 0), I prefer precision handles. Those are also available from PB Swiss with CAB or Santoprene handles.

For torx... I'd get screwdrivers or insert bits, not keys.

For hex... I'd get keys if you can only have one. For sizes that you use frequently, it is nice to have screwdrivers as well.

The most long lasting screwdriver is the one that is never used.

It'll last forever or unless it has a CAB handle that deteriorates. Screwdrivers are wear items. The more you use them, the more the tips will get worn.

Dave455 · Mar 10, 2020

Gezginite said:
My plan was to buy:
Slotted: 00, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7
Philips: 00, 0, 1, 2, 3, 4
Pozidriv: 0, 1, 2, 3, 4

I haven't quite decided if should buy the Hex and Torx as screwdrivers or as Key L-wrenches - What do you think would be most durable? classic handle screwdrivers or the Key L-wrenches?

The thing is that I am tired of not having the right tools and I have the mindset where you buy things once and keeping for ever which helps avoiding buying things again.

Good plan!

For the small drivers (Phillips 0/00 and comparable slotted sizes) I would probably get the instrument / electronic drivers shown below. Much better design for the smaller screws. They are not costly in Europe.

I probably wouldn’t bother with Pozidriv 0 and 4 at all. I recall Pozi 0 is used in some electrical equipment, but industrial, and I don’t see them. I have only ever seen Pozi 4 in ONE application, namely holding door hinges on some BMC cars from the late 60’s and early 70’s.

Phillips I see on Far Eastern stuff, but generally only the smaller sizes - 0/1/2. Maybe 3 if you have a Japanese car.

Torx are useful as Screwdrivers as Torx screws are so common now. I commonly use T10 to about T30 as drivers. Bigger sizes probably need a bit that fits a 3/8” or 1/2” ratchet or speeder.

For hex I would probably go for L Wrenches in the first instance. They do probably 80% of what you need if it’s not automotive. After that, probably drivers for the small sizes, and ‘in hex’ bits for the larger. PB Hex wrenches are very nice.

I understand what you want to do. Decent tools don’t just last longer, they are nicer to use. My ball hex drivers are 30+ years old, and were used when I got them. They don’t seem so costly now!

Edit - crossed with measuredtwice! As the Germans say, “zwei Dumme, ein Gedanke”!

OMMP · Mar 10, 2020

Gezginite said:
The thing is that premium brands are geographically located in the US, Japan or Europe and I live in Denmark which have a solid high import tax on 25% on everything (outside EU), no matter what it is. The cheap tools are usually from outside EU which results in that the premium brand within the EU borders are only approximately 30-50% more expensive than the cheapest screwdriver on the market.

Everything kept equal the cheap screwdriver may need to be replaced within a short time of usage, why the buying the cheap screwdrivers may actually cost me more over a lifetime (or only within a a timespan of 10-15 years)

And they call offshores tax paradises...

measuredtwice · Mar 10, 2020

Avenging Bankroll said:
A multi-bit driver or a bit-holder would probably be a better recommendation for the OP with a good bit-set. The Sunex 9729 would probably cover most bits he'd ever need and a good bit-holder would be enough in my opinion.

I do agree with your recommendation on l-wrenches that hex key l-wrench sets are suggested.

Buying a more complete bit-set would be cheaper than acquiring screwdriver sets of different fastener types or individual screwdrivers. It's more versatile when you use bits that are longer than 1" for certain situations as well.

I responded to his post in another topic suggesting a 5-in-1 for casual home use. A multi-bit driver would also work. It might be better since he said in this topic that he intends to buy a lot more than I had assumed.

OP, have you looked at the PB Swiss Insider?

Dave455 · Mar 10, 2020

For those folks suggesting that PB Swiss is overkill for home use bear in mind where the OP is located.

I realise that in the U.S. PB Swiss is mega costly, probably on a par with a Snap On, maybe worse, and something for the serious pro only.

Over the pond the situation is different. Just to put things into perspective, here in the U.K. a Snap On No.2 Phillips (with a hard handle) will cost me £25. The equivalent PB Swiss (hard CAB Classic handle) will cost me exactly £8, and that’s before discount!

measuredtwice · Mar 10, 2020

Dave455 said:
For those folks suggesting that PB Swiss is overkill for home use bear in mind where the OP is located.

I realise that in the U.S. PB Swiss is mega costly, probably on a par with a Snap On, maybe worse, and something for the serious pro only.

Over the pond the situation is different. Just to put things into perspective, here in the U.K. a Snap On No.2 Phillips (with a hard handle) will cost me £25. The equivalent PB Swiss (hard CAB Classic handle) will cost me exactly £8, and that’s before discount!

I don't disagree but Snap-On wasn't a good example. PB Swiss is cheaper than Snap-On in the USA as well--Haha! Price of PB Swiss is actually pretty close to Klein or Williams in the USA. Wiha is often cheaper than Klein and Williams. Made in China is very common. You can still get some made in USA acetate handle screwdrivers at Menards or Walmart for a couple bucks each.

Snap-On SDDP42IRAO Retail $27.50
PB Swiss $10.52 (can be purchased even cheaper during a sale).

I've actually bought some stuff from Germany because it was even cheaper to ship it from Germany than to buy German/Swiss brands in the USA.

Dave455 · Mar 10, 2020

measuredtwice said:
I don't disagree but Snap-On wasn't a good example. PB Swiss is cheaper than Snap-On in the USA as well--Haha! Price of PB Swiss is actually pretty close to Klein or Williams in the USA. Wiha is often cheaper than Klein and Williams. Made in China is very common. You can still get some made in USA acetate handle screwdrivers at Menards or Walmart for a couple bucks each.

Snap-On SDDP42IRAO Retail $27.50
PB Swiss $10.52 (can be purchased even cheaper during a sale).

I've actually bought some stuff from Germany because it was even cheaper to ship it from Germany than to buy German/Swiss brands in the USA.

Didn’t realise! Something must have changed since I last bought tools stateside. I’m guessing Snappy prices have been jacked up!

Yes, I’ve often thought some of the U.S. importers a little costly! I get my PB direct from the U.K. importer and they are very competitive.

I get a lot of stuff direct from Germany too. The Germans generally make it easy to do business and I get good service!

Gezginite · Mar 10, 2020

measuredtwice said:
I replied to your posts in another topic with some recommendations.

If your description of the intended casual home use didn't leave anything out, then I seriously doubt that you will ever use some of those larger sizes.

For the smallest sizes (00, 0), I prefer precision handles. Those are also available from PB Swiss with CAB or Santoprene handles.

For torx... I'd get screwdrivers or insert bits, not keys.

For hex... I'd get keys if you can only have one. For sizes that you use frequently, it is nice to have screwdrivers as well.

The most long lasting screwdriver is the one that is never used. It'll last forever or unless it has a CAB handle that deteriorates. Screwdrivers are wear items. The more you use them, the more the tips will get worn.

0. Just saw your post.

1. Big sized slotted screwdriver: I actually do not have any idea how big slotted screwdrivers I am going to need, but I am with more thought definitely not going to use size 6 and 7.
I got an old PB Swiss screwdriver from dad size 2 and one from my grandma on size 00 that i took last time I visiteded them.

2. Precision screwdrivers: Why do you prefer the precision screwdrivers from PB rather than the normal classic ones?

3. Torx: Why would not recommend a L-key set when it comes to torx?

4. Hex: I would prefer only to have one, but do you feel like the screwdrivers are better than the L-keys (if yes why?)

5. Live lasting tools: I am not saying I won't use or not use any of my tools, I just want them to last very long time. This results in me using less time finding new tools and using less money.

Dave455 said:
Good plan!

For the small drivers (Phillips 0/00 and comparable slotted sizes) I would probably get the instrument / electronic drivers shown below. Much better design for the smaller screws. They are not costly in Europe.

I probably wouldn’t bother with Pozidriv 0 and 4 at all. I recall Pozi 0 is used in some electrical equipment, but industrial, and I don’t see them. I have only ever seen Pozi 4 in ONE application, namely holding door hinges on some BMC cars from the late 60’s and early 70’s.

Phillips I see on Far Eastern stuff, but generally only the smaller sizes - 0/1/2. Maybe 3 if you have a Japanese car.

Torx are useful as Screwdrivers as Torx screws are so common now. I commonly use T10 to about T30 as drivers. Bigger sizes probably need a bit that fits a 3/8” or 1/2” ratchet or speeder.

For hex I would probably go for L Wrenches in the first instance. They do probably 80% of what you need if it’s not automotive. After that, probably drivers for the small sizes, and ‘in hex’ bits for the larger. PB Hex wrenches are very nice.

I understand what you want to do. Decent tools don’t just last longer, they are nicer to use. My ball hex drivers are 30+ years old, and were used when I got them. They don’t seem so costly now!

Edit - crossed with measuredtwice! My thoughts exactly!

1. Precision screwdrivers: What makes that you prefer them rather than the normal classic ones?

2. Pozidriv: With more thoughts I would possibly not use the size 4 and maybe not even the size 3. The thing is I actually needed the pozidriv 0 for my electronic razor from Braun (borrowed it from my neighbour, but he had to like look through all his stuff and it took like ten days for him to find it for me).

3. Philips: Roger that

4. Torx: What do you use the T30 for? I mostly use the T20-T30 when assembling furnitures at home like my coffetable, Sofalegs, table or stuff bought from IKEA. Another thing I noticed with the torx you get from IKEA is that the torx and the screw often gets destroyed when you use it to assemble what ever you bought - I think it because they don't want people to seperate the parts after assembled.

5. Hex: Agree, I found that small Hex L-keys broke when I used my dads (still want to replace his set (size I broke two of the small ones)).

6. Is it those you have: https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tools/quality-hand-tools/screwdrivers/product/pb-206s-127-50/

OMMP said:

And they call offshores tax paradises...

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The scandinavian countries are a bit "different" compared to other countries.
Our governments are very rich, while very few is rich and poor (which is good), but the income tax is a bit to high (if you ask for my opinion) ranging from 45%-60% (excluding pension).
For the high tax we get free education and healthcare which is see as positive, but free education and healthcare would also be possible for lower income taxes (which is proven by other countries like Turkey and Germany with a Income tax on 35%)

Avenging Bankroll said:

A multi-bit driver or a bit-holder would probably be a better recommendation for the OP with a good bit-set. The Sunex 9729 would probably cover most bits he'd ever need and a good bit-holder would be enough in my opinion.

I do agree with your recommendation on l-wrenches that hex key l-wrench sets are suggested.

Buying a more complete bit-set would be cheaper than acquiring screwdriver sets of different fastener types or individual screwdrivers. It's more versatile when you use bits that are longer than 1" for certain situations as well.

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Multi-bit set: a multi-bit driver is not working for me since it have "lump" which limits the reach. (I did have this problem when mounting my wall rack in january) (see picture for my wall rack)
L-wrenches: ✓
Bit-set: It is almost the same price, but I have experienced that the bits tent to wear out very fast or chip off and it still limits my reach.

measuredtwice said:

I responded to his post in another topic suggesting a 5-in-1 for casual home use. A multi-bit driver would also work. It might be better since he said in this topic that he intends to buy a lot more than I had assumed.

OP, have you looked at the PB Swiss Insider?

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5-1 set: I love the idea of having one thing there can fix everything, but it still have the "lump" which limits the reach. (I did have this problem when mounting my wall rack in January) (see picture for my wall rack)

Dave455 said:

For those folks suggesting that PB Swiss is overkill for home use bear in mind where the OP is located.

I realise that in the U.S. PB Swiss is mega costly, probably on a par with a Snap On, maybe worse, and something for the serious pro only.

Over the pond the situation is different. Just to put things into perspective, here in the U.K. a Snap On No.2 Phillips (with a hard handle) will cost me £25. The equivalent PB Swiss (hard CAB Classic handle) will cost me exactly £8, and that’s before discount!

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Thanks helping me clearing that out
Snap ons are probably higher in Denmark compared to the UK since we have Import tax on 25% + handling fee on 160kr. (appx. 23$)

Stuey · Mar 10, 2020

I purchased screwdrivers and tools with both types of handles.

The SwissGrip are plenty durable unless used around chemicals. They're hard to clean.

MultiGrip are more durable, easier to wipe clean.

Buy a set in MultiGrip and then your most-used size in SwissGrip also.

2Busy · Mar 11, 2020

I have full sets of Swissgrip slotted and Phillips. Best screwdrivers I’ve ever owned but I have to say I do hesitate using one if its dirty work. In a clean environment swissgrips are hard to beat but as mentioned by others, they don’t clean up well.

Whatever the handle you choose, it’ll be on an awesome screwdriver. PB Swiss rocks.

Dave455 · Mar 11, 2020

Gezginite said:
1. Precision screwdrivers: What makes that you prefer them rather than the normal classic ones?

2. Pozidriv: With more thoughts I would possibly not use the size 4 and maybe not even the size 3. The thing is I actually needed the pozidriv 0 for my electronic razor from Braun (borrowed it from my neighbour, but he had to like look through all his stuff and it took like ten days for him to find it for me).

3. Philips: Roger that

4. Torx: What do you use the T30 for? I mostly use the T20-T30 when assembling furnitures at home like my coffetable, Sofalegs, table or stuff bought from IKEA. Another thing I noticed with the torx you get from IKEA is that the torx and the screw often gets destroyed when you use it to assemble what ever you bought - I think it because they don't want people to seperate the parts after assembled.

5. Hex: Agree, I found that small Hex L-keys broke when I used my dads (still want to replace his set (size I broke two of the small ones)).

6. Is it those you have: https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tools/quality-hand-tools/screwdrivers/product/pb-206s-127-50/

1) The handles are better sized to turn with your fingertips, which is generally what you want to do with small screws. They are also long enough that you can hold the screw in position with one finger, and turn with the others.

2) You need what you need. Sounds like it’s a Pozi 0!

3)

4) I need Torx quite a bit. I have 3 vehicles that all use them, up to T55. I also do a bit of machine setting, and Torx are turning up on newer machines. I even use them on woodscrews - I have Spax woodscrews that have heads ranging from T10 to T30.

Some screws are badly made. I admit I don’t use my PB Pozidriv drivers on crappy woodscrews as I don’t want to damage the tips. I have some Wera stainless that are good for this.

I don’t use Ikea furniture, I can generally make better myself, and have. I’ve put some together for friends though, and their fasteners are the worst!

5) Small hex keys can always break, though I think the PB are about the best. For small sizes (say 2.5mm or less) I buy these by the 100 and treat them as consumables.

6) I have the round shaft version (206 R) but otherwise yes!

barnonline · Mar 11, 2020

I have swissgrip, and I must say for mine hand, the grip is extraordinary good.

Yes they don't cleanup easy, but I vastly prefer them.

As others have said consider closely what you really need, for exampl PH/PZ 4 is so rare that I would not bother.

Screwdrivers are consumables, so I will strongly recommend that you also have a bitdriver for the most used sizes PH/PZ 2 and Torx 20.

Use bits whenever you can, and reserve the screwdrivers for situations where you need a long narrow shank.

Hoffmann is selling PB Swiss under their own label "Garant" that is about 10% cheaper than PB Swiss labelled

https://www.hoffmann-group.com/DK/da/hodk/Skrueværktøjer/Skruetrækkere/c/66

measuredtwice · Mar 11, 2020

Gezginite said:
2. Precision screwdrivers: Why do you prefer the precision screwdrivers from PB rather than the normal classic ones?

Precision electronics screwdrivers are thinner and have a spin cap. It is a common type of screwdriver for working on electronics. It is useful for sizes 0 and 00 which require more precision and less torque.

In the photo, the 2 on the bottom are precision screwdrivers with spin caps. The 2 on the top are standard screwdrivers.

Gezginite said:
3. Torx: Why would not recommend a L-key set when it comes to torx?

I like standard fixed handles for Torx 8 - Torx 25. For Torx 30 and larger, I prefer bit sockets. For Torx 6 and below, I prefer precision screwdrivers. My preference is based on the torque needed for each size as well as personal preference. There are other types as well like flags, keys, insert bits, power bits, etc. They all have their uses. But since you don't use tools for your profession, you probably can get by with a lot less.

I'd give some serious thought to using bits for a lot of stuff. There are ways to get around recessed and minimal access... like using a flex ratchet bit holder or longer bits, etc.

Gezginite said:
4. Hex: I would prefer only to have one, but do you feel like the screwdrivers are better than the L-keys (if yes why?)

Again, they all have their purposes. I recommended hex keys since you are choosing just one. In addition to screwdrivers and L-keys, there are t-handles and flag-handles and bits and many others. Buy what you need.

Gezginite said:
Multi-bit set: a multi-bit driver is not working for me since it have "lump" which limits the reach. (I did have this problem when mounting my wall rack in january) (see picture for my wall rack)
L-wrenches: ✓
Bit-set: It is almost the same price, but I have experienced that the bits tent to wear out very fast or chip off and it still limits my reach.

A bit shouldn't wear out fast if you are using them by hand. Again, there are ways to get around restricted access like a flex handle ratchet or long bits.

Gezginite · Mar 11, 2020

Stuey said:
I purchased screwdrivers and tools with both types of handles.

The SwissGrip are plenty durable unless used around chemicals. They're hard to clean.

MultiGrip are more durable, easier to wipe clean.

Buy a set in MultiGrip and then your most-used size in SwissGrip also.

Thank you for your opinion.

2Busy said:
I have full sets of Swissgrip slotted and Phillips. Best screwdrivers I’ve ever owned but I have to say I do hesitate using one if its dirty work. In a clean environment swissgrips are hard to beat but as mentioned by others, they don’t clean up well.

Whatever the handle you choose, it’ll be on an awesome screwdriver. PB Swiss rocks.

Thank you for you opinion.

Dave455 said:
1) The handles are better sized to turn with your fingertips, which is generally what you want to do with small screws. They are also long enough that you can hold the screw in position with one finger, and turn with the others.

2) You need what you need. Sounds like it’s a Pozi 0!

3)

4) I need Torx quite a bit. I have 3 vehicles that all use them, up to T55. I also do a bit of machine setting, and Torx are turning up on newer machines. I even use them on woodscrews - I have Spax woodscrews that have heads ranging from T10 to T30.

Some screws are badly made. I admit I don’t use my PB Pozidriv drivers on crappy woodscrews as I don’t want to damage the tips. I have some Wera stainless that are good for this.

I don’t use Ikea furniture, I can generally make better myself, and have. I’ve put some together for friends though, and their fasteners are the worst!

5) Small hex keys can always break, though I think the PB are about the best. For small sizes (say 2.5mm or less) I buy these by the 100 and treat them as consumables.

6) I have the round shaft version (206 R) but otherwise yes!

1) True true, I did not think about the turning movement would be easier with completely round handles since I already had the slotted 00 size in the classic handle.

2) I am actually fan only owing what you need, but on the other hand I hate being dependend of others.

3)

4) The thing is when it comes to wardrobes and shelving they are all **** (since most of it is made by plywood or MDF (even the expensive brands) why I experience that they "crumbles" when you try to reassemble them.

5). Hex Sounds like a good idea, think I will go with they rainbow hex L-keys with ball ends from PB

6) I cannot really find the PB 206 R (maybe they do not produce them anymore?)

7) As you know, I also considered the screwdriver set with interchangeable blades (https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tools/quality-hand-tools/mobile-sets/product/pb-9515blue/), but I am not sure if it would full fill my needs since I would not buy regular screwdrivers and the screwdriver set with interchangeable blades, but had the following question I still wasn't sure about...

7.1
You wrote: Quality wise, yes, as good as the regular PB Swiss. Functionality wise, no, regular drivers will always be better. These are a compromise to save space, but they are a good one.
My question: "Functionality wise, no, regular drivers will always be better" why do you not think it will functionality wise be as good as regular screwdrivers?

7.2
You wrote: No, I would buy the regular drivers first. I would only get the interchangeable blades for mobile use (which is what I use them for) or maybe to keep at home if my shop was somewhere else!
My question:
I am not working with tools and I am primarily going to use the tools at home (closets, cabinets, coat rack, sofa, bed etc.) and to fix my bike (from time to time). I do not really have any screwdrivers right now (have two PB Swiss classic CAB handles that I got from my dad). I am not going to buy regular screwdrivers and a screwdriver set with changeable blades. So would you think/recommend it being worth buying the set with changeable blades over the regular screwdrivers compared to the space you save?

barnonline said:
I have swissgrip, and I must say for mine hand, the grip is extraordinary good.

Yes they don't cleanup easy, but I vastly prefer them.

As others have said consider closely what you really need, for exampl PH/PZ 4 is so rare that I would not bother.

Screwdrivers are consumables, so I will strongly recommend that you also have a bitdriver for the most used sizes PH/PZ 2 and Torx 20.

Use bits whenever you can, and reserve the screwdrivers for situations where you need a long narrow shank.

Hoffmann is selling PB Swiss under their own label "Garant" that is about 10% cheaper than PB Swiss labelled

https://www.hoffmann-group.com/DK/da/hodk/Skrueværktøjer/Skruetrækkere/c/66

Is the quality also the same?

Avenging Bankroll said:
Use bits longer than 1" which are 1/4". That Sunex bit-set I linked is very high quality and has 2" bits which should cover that issue with clearance you had in the wall rack.

It will also be much cheaper than buying that list of various screwdrivers both in sets and individually. Many of those are also rarely used sizes. Only buy the most commonly used in screwdriver style and bit-holder/multi-bit style for anything else. Trying to complete a screwdriver set with Square, Posidriv, Phillips, Torx, Hex, Security Hex, Security Torx, Ball-End Hex, etc is very difficult if not expensive versus buying only essential sizes and having bits for the rest.

If you're concerned about bits wearing out then that's usually due to using the wrong size or using them in an impact drill, or even abuse.

I just think the The Sunex 9729 just have "to much" that I actually need and it might be true that the bits are used wrong by people (myself included) why I try to avoid bits

What are you thoughts on the screwdriver set with interchangeable blades from PB Swiss then? (https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tools/quality-hand-tools/mobile-sets/product/pb-9515blue/)

measuredtwice · Mar 11, 2020

Gezginite said:
2) I am actually fan only owing what you need, but on the other hand I hate being dependend of others.

This is why bit sets are common. Bit sets are cheaper and you get a wide variety of types just in case, including some types that you have not yet considered.

Gezginite said:
5). Hex Sounds like a good idea, think I will go with they rainbow hex L-keys with ball ends from PB

Since you are concerned about durability, I hought it might be worth mentioning that the rainbow paint will wear off.

Gezginite said:
My question: "Functionality wise, no, regular drivers will always be better" why do you not think it will functionality wise be as good as regular screwdrivers?

Fixed are fixed. Interchangeable drivers can have some play. Also you can just grab a different screwdriver rather than have to mess with pulling out the blade and swapping it. If you change frequently, that would get old fast. Interchangeable blades are primarily useful for travel.

Gezginite said:
I am not working with tools and I am primarily going to use the tools at home (closets, cabinets, coat rack, sofa, bed etc.) and to fix my bike (from time to time).

Since you haven't mentioned car repair or heavy machinery, you may not need P3 or P4.

Gezginite said:
Is the quality also the same?

The stuff made by PB Swiss for Garant is the same except the color and the logo.

lamesalegend · Mar 11, 2020

My vote is for the Rainbow SwissGrip. I have all three Handle styles. I love the original Classic style handles. All time favorite is the craftsman clear regular style.
So that's why I bought first, the Classic style. Classic/craftsman style are good because they have ribs that allow you to spin a screwdriver faster, imo. I feel like they were a great style for when guys didn't use drills or impact drivers for screw driving (old days). but once you need to torque a faster on or off, it's more difficult with the Classics.

BUT Ive since bought Multigrip and Swiss Grip. And feel that the little bit of tactile grip that the Swissgrip has makes it spin even faster than the classic. So My recommendation is to get the Swissgrip. They are better in every way except they do get greasy looking when fixing cars (no effect on performance though).

I keep my classics in my car tool box which I use a lot for helping family members fix various things. Whenever I use the Classics I always wish I had the swissgrips. SwissGrips just feel better, especially when the fastener is tough to turn. Multigrip is my least favorite.

Also consider the Rainbow set. I have threes sets of PB Swiss Drivers and the Rainbow just makes grabbing the right size even easier (not a big deal though). Plus they look awesome!

Gezginite · Mar 11, 2020

measuredtwice said:
Precision electronics screwdrivers are thinner and have a spin cap. It is a common type of screwdriver for working on electronics. It is useful for sizes 0 and 00 which require more precision and less torque. In the photo, the 2 on the bottom are precision screwdrivers with spin caps. The 2 on the top are standard screwdrivers.

1. Difference between screwdrivers: Thank you for the explanation about the difference between a classic and an electronic screwdriver.

measuredtwice said:
I like standard fixed handles for Torx 8 - Torx 25. For Torx 30 and larger, I prefer bit sockets. For Torx 6 and below, I prefer precision screwdrivers. My preference is based on the torque needed for each size as well as personal preference. There are other types as well like flags, keys, insert bits, power bits, etc. They all have their uses. But since you don't use tools for your profession, you probably can get by with a lot less.

I'd give some serious thought to using bits for a lot of stuff. There are ways to get around recessed and minimal access... like using a flex ratchet bit holder or longer bits, etc.

2. Torx: I actually never seen a flex ratchet bit holder before nowÂ…
What are your thoughts about the the screwdriver set with interchangeable blades (https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tool...t/pb-9515blue/), here I actually get the Â“long bitsÂ”.

measuredtwice said:
Again, they all have their purposes. I recommended hex keys since you are choosing just one. In addition to screwdrivers and L-keys, there are t-handles and flag-handles and bits and many others. Buy what you need.

3. Hex: Why would you recommend the Hex keys over screwdrivers?

measuredtwice said:
A bit shouldn't wear out fast if you are using them by hand. Again, there are ways to get around restricted access like a flex handle ratchet or long bits.

4. As mentioned, I newer heard about the flea handle (just googled it as you mentioned it), but I would actually get around the restrived areas with the (https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tool...t/pb-9515blue/), but my issue is more if it durable and can replace the place of a real screwdriver.

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measuredtwice said:
This is why bit sets are common. Bit sets are cheaper and you get a wide variety of types just in case, including some types that you have not yet considered.

5. Bit set That is true, but on the other hand I am not interested in just having a lot of things/bits that I am never ever going to use.

measuredtwice said:
Since you are concerned about durability, I hought it might be worth mentioning that the rainbow paint will wear off.

6. Rainbow Hex key that is true, the important thing for me is the durability and not the aesthetics, but I did consider the PB 3212 LH-10 just to get the https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tools/quality-hand-tools/hex-key-l-wrenches/product/pb-3212lh-10/

measuredtwice said:
Fixed are fixed. Interchangeable drivers can have some play. Also you can just grab a different screwdriver rather than have to mess with pulling out the blade and swapping it. If you change frequently, that would get old fast. Interchangeable blades are primarily useful for travel.

7. Changeable blades: Do you have this set from PB and What do you mean by “get old”? Tear up? So I would need to replace the handle?

measuredtwice said:
Since you haven't mentioned car repair or heavy machinery, you may not need P3 or P4.

8. P3 & P4: I am not repair cars (since I do not have knowledge about car fixing) but I am fixing the basics. I am sure about not going to need the P4 and probably not the P3, but I did need it once or twice before (but I guess I could just borrow one from my dad if there appears something where I need it a seldom time).

measuredtwice said:
The stuff made by PB Swiss for Garant is the same except the color and the logo.

9. Garant: Why do all people (there know this, especially in garagejournal) not just buy garant then?

Gezginite · Mar 11, 2020

lamesalegend said:
My vote is for the Rainbow SwissGrip. I have all three Handle styles. I love the original Classic style handles. All time favorite is the craftsman clear regular style.
So that's why I bought first, the Classic style. Classic/craftsman style are good because they have ribs that allow you to spin a screwdriver faster, imo. I feel like they were a great style for when guys didn't use drills or impact drivers for screw driving (old days). but once you need to torque a faster on or off, it's more difficult with the Classics.

BUT Ive since bought Multigrip and Swiss Grip. And feel that the little bit of tactile grip that the Swissgrip has makes it spin even faster than the classic. So My recommendation is to get the Swissgrip. They are better in every way except they do get greasy looking when fixing cars (no effect on performance though).

I keep my classics in my car tool box which I use a lot for helping family members fix various things. Whenever I use the Classics I always wish I had the swissgrips. SwissGrips just feel better, especially when the fastener is tough to turn. Multigrip is my least favorite.

Also consider the Rainbow set. I have threes sets of PB Swiss Drivers and the Rainbow just makes grabbing the right size even easier (not a big deal though). Plus they look awesome!

The durability comes first when I am looking for screwdrivers, since I am interested in keeping them for as long as possible, why the comfortability is secondary. The screwdrivers are approximately going to be used once every month for practical things at home and furnitures (I am often assembling furnitures for family members since I worked with furnitures for over decade before I choice to change my profession where I sit on a desk). Anyhow I would like some good tools than are durable and long lasting to save time and money at the same time since I like buying things once and keeping forever (ofc. things have a specific lifespan and need to be replaced with time, but I would like to shorten that as much as possible by buying good tools there last).

measuredtwice · Mar 11, 2020

Gezginite said:
What are your thoughts about the the screwdriver set with interchangeable blades (https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tool...t/pb-9515blue/), here I actually get the Ã‚Â“long bitsÃ‚Â”.

I don't have the set. But PB Swiss makes good stuff. I favor fixed blades instead of exchangeable blades for home or work for the reasons that I gave previously. Exchangeable blades are convenient for travel since they take up less space.

Gezginite said:
3. Hex: Why would you recommend the Hex keys over screwdrivers?

Many of us have ALL of the types... keys, bits, screwdrivers, etc. Since you are only buying one, I recommended keys. For the large sizes, it is not as easy to get enough torque with a screwdriver. With a key, you can use the long arm as a handle for more torque. An alternative would be bit sockets for the large sizes (I previously mentioned bit sockets for large torx sizes also). There are other factors also. The keys will be able to reach places where a long screwdriver might not fit. And keys are typically cheaper. In the USA we have a LOT of different sizes since we use both metric and imperial and it is cheaper to buy 40 or so keys instead of 40 screwdrivers.

Gezginite said:
4. As mentioned, I newer heard about the flea handle (just googled it as you mentioned it), but I would actually get around the restrived areas with the (https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tool...t/pb-9515blue/), but my issue is more if it durable and can replace the place of a real screwdriver.

This is an example of a flex bit ratchet. The bit fits directly on the head or you can use an extension. The low profile and flexible head can be helpful to reach places.

There are also extended reach multi-bit drivers like this one from Klein. They have longer bits.

Gezginite said:
7. Changeable blades: Do you have this set from PB and What do you mean by Â“get oldÂ”? Tear up? So I would need to replace the handle?

Sorry for the American slang. I meant that it would be annoying if you needed to switch frequently.

Gezginite said:
9. Garant: Why do all people (there know this, especially in garagejournal) not just buy garant then?

We know everything. We know what you ate for breakfast.

Why don't we just buy from Garant? As with any store, you compare to other stores to see who gives the best price. If the best price is at Garant than buy it from that store or if the best price is at Amazon.de or another store then buy from them.

Gezginite · Mar 12, 2020

measuredtwice said:
I don't have the set. But PB Swiss makes good stuff. I favor fixed blades instead of exchangeable blades for home or work for the reasons that I gave previously. Exchangeable blades are convenient for travel since they take up less space.

I am not quite sure if it my poor, but I did not quite catch your reason why you did favor fixed blades over exchangeable blades was it because you'll have to change the blades every-time you want to switch?

measuredtwice said:
Many of us have ALL of the types... keys, bits, screwdrivers, etc. Since you are only buying one, I recommended keys. For the large sizes, it is not as easy to get enough torque with a screwdriver. With a key, you can use the long arm as a handle for more torque. An alternative would be bit sockets for the large sizes (I previously mentioned bit sockets for large torx sizes also). There are other factors also. The keys will be able to reach places where a long screwdriver might not fit. And keys are typically cheaper. In the USA we have a LOT of different sizes since we use both metric and imperial and it is cheaper to buy 40 or so keys instead of 40 screwdrivers.

The thing is that I only think I would need approximately ten Hex keys for my usage at home.

measuredtwice said:
This is an example of a flex bit ratchet. The bit fits directly on the head or you can use an extension. The low profile and flexible head can be helpful to reach places.

There are also extended reach multi-bit drivers like this one from Klein. They have longer bits.

I do not think I would need a bit ratchet since I do not repair big machinery or cars, but mostly doing practical stuff at home including furnitures.

measuredtwice said:
Sorry for the American slang. I meant that it would be annoying if you needed to switch frequently.

But do you think that would be the only down-side? if you compare the fixed vs. exchangeable blades.

measuredtwice said:
We know everything. We know what you ate for breakfast. Why don't we just buy from Garant? As with any store, you compare to other stores to see who gives the best price. If the best price is at Garant than buy it from that store or if the best price is at Amazon.de or another store then buy from them.

My question:" Why do all people (there know this, especially in garagejournal) not just buy garant then?" was more based on that if PB and Garant is 100% the same quality just going under another name why would everyone not buy that since it is (as much as i know) cheaper than PB

measuredtwice · Mar 12, 2020

Gezginite said:
I am not quite sure if it my poor, but I did not quite catch your reason why you did favor fixed blades over exchangeable blades was it because you'll have to change the blades every-time you want to switch?

But do you think that would be the only down-side? if you compare the fixed vs. exchangeable blades.

1. You can not use multiple sizes at the same time (unless you bought extra handles). 2. If you need to use multiple sizes, it will be annoying to switch frequently. 3. Since it is not fixed, the blade will not be as secure. It may have some wobble. 4. Since you have 1 handle, that handle will wear faster since it is used for everything. 5. The blades are pretty close to the cost of a whole screwdriver. Bits are cheaper.

Gezginite said:
The thing is that I only think I would need approximately ten Hex keys for my usage at home.

If any of those sizes are large (like 6mm) it is better to have keys than screwdrivers. For large sizes, it is easier to get the necessary torque with a key.

Gezginite said:
I do not think I would need a bit ratchet since I do not repair big machinery or cars, but mostly doing practical stuff at home including furnitures.

A bit ratchet is tiny compared to a mechanics ratchet.

This video is Japanese so I don't know what he is saying. But it demonstrates a bit ratchet.

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Gezginite said:
My question:" Why do all people (there know this, especially in garagejournal) not just buy garant then?" was more based on that if PB and Garant is 100% the same quality just going under another name why would everyone not buy that since it is (as much as i know) cheaper than PB

Only some of their stuff is made by PB Swiss. They sell stuff from many other manufacturers as well. For example, they also sell stuff made by Koken Japan and Stahlwille and many others. You will have to do comparison shopping to see what store has the best price for what you want to buy.

Gezginite · Mar 12, 2020

measuredtwice said:
1. You can not use multiple sizes at the same time (unless you bought extra handles). 2. If you need to use multiple sizes, it will be annoying to switch frequently. 3. Since it is not fixed, the blade will not be as secure. It may have some wobble. 4. Since you have 1 handle, that handle will wear faster since it is used for everything. 5. The blades are pretty close to the cost of a whole screwdriver. Bits are cheaper.

1. That is true, though I do not think I would be needing to “change” blades a lot of times when I am going to use my tools (which would be once a month approximately) (unless I am fixing something on my bike - which requires different sizes depending on what usage like on cars)
2. I will give you that if and when I am going to use the tools (like on my bike it can be an annoying thing to have to switch frequently).
3. Dave455 gave the expression that they would not fall off have some wobble, but I have not tried them before so it is hard to tell from my point of view.
4. Dave455 also gave the expression that it did not really wear (especially if I have the classic handle) (Of everything have a lifespan but yes).
5. The thing is that the bits almost cost the sam as the changeable blades so that should not be the reason for me choosing short bits instead off long blades. That said the blades do cost the same as a whole fixed screwdriver.

So all the things above kept equal would you still recommend fixed screwdrivers

measuredtwice said:
If any of those sizes are large (like 6mm) it is better to have keys than screwdrivers. For large sizes, it is easier to get the necessary torque with a key.

I think I will buy the set from PB swiss there have the 9 L-keys I think with the ball end (https://www.toolfocus.eu/detail.asp?Lang=3&Prod=104551).
I would then just replace the small ones (there are weak in construction) when they get destroyed.

measuredtwice said:
A bit ratchet is tiny compared to a mechanics ratchet.

This video is Japanese so I don't know what he is saying. But it demonstrates a bit ratchet.

That is actually very small, I am just not hooked with it tbh. I guess it is because I read a lot of threats where peoples mechanism did fail somehow.

measuredtwice said:
Only some of their stuff is made by PB Swiss. They sell stuff from many other manufacturers as well. For example, they also sell stuff made by Koken Japan and Stahlwille and many others. You will have to do comparison shopping to see what store has the best price for what you want to buy.

Ahh I see, thought it was PB swiss tools exclusively they made (just cheaper), but make sense now.

measuredtwice · Mar 12, 2020

Gezginite said:
So all the things above kept equal would you still recommend fixed screwdrivers

My recommendation is the same.

Gezginite said:
I think I will buy the set from PB swiss there have the 9 L-keys I think with the ball end (https://www.toolfocus.eu/detail.asp?Lang=3&Prod=104551).
I would then just replace the small ones (there are weak in construction) when they get destroyed.

Should be fine.

Gezginite · Mar 13, 2020

measuredtwice said:
My recommendation is the same.

Should be fine.

Thank you!

I think I will go with :

· Fixed screwdriver on slotted scredrivers.

· Hex keys as L-keys

· Bit holder like PB 186, PB8451 or PB 1254 for philips, Pozidriv and Torx where I will be buying 95mm long bits. Though, there is something I would like to ask (dunno if you guys know it), which is what the difference is between E6L and C6L bits?

https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tools/quality-hand-tools/precisionbits/product/pb-c6l1900-80/

https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tools/quality-hand-tools/precisionbits/product/pb-e6l1901/

I can obviously "see the difference" that there is a lump at the end of E6L, but what is it good for? and which one should I use?

ChevyEFI · Mar 13, 2020

The groove and lump are intended to be used in a locking drive. Like a power cordless impact bit driver. Unfortunately power drive bits like that can break at the groove, if used in a regular bit socket or extension.

measuredtwice · Mar 13, 2020

Gezginite said:
Thank you!

I think I will go with :

· Fixed screwdriver on slotted scredrivers.

· Hex keys as L-keys

You're welcome. Sounds good.

Gezginite said:
Bit holder like PB 186, PB8451 or PB 1254 for philips, Pozidriv and Torx where I will be buying 95mm long bits.

I have the first 2 of those 3 bit holders. They're nice. I use them with 1" (25.4mm) insert bits.

I do caution you that ALL magnetic bit holders have a little bit of wobble. That little bit of wobble will be more noticeable with 95mm long bits.

You might consider a Wiha or Festool Centrofix if you want to use long power bits. It locks onto power bits so there is almost no wobble at all.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01BESZ1TQ/
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B004SIVIR4/

They are both the same. Only the color and logo is different.

Gezginite said:
Though, there is something I would like to ask (dunno if you guys know it), which is what the difference is between E6L and C6L bits?

https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tools/quality-hand-tools/precisionbits/product/pb-c6l1900-80/

https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tools/quality-hand-tools/precisionbits/product/pb-e6l1901/

I can obviously "see the difference" that there is a lump at the end of E6L, but what is it good for? and which one should I use?

The C6 are insert bits. The E6 are power bits. Power bits fit into a power tool or a quick change chuck.

You can use both with the magnetic holder but I'd recommend the Wiha/Festool holder and the PB Swiss E6 if you want to use long bits.

measuredtwice · Mar 13, 2020

In general, it is much more common to use 1" insert bits because they are cheapest. Long bits are only used when absolutely necessary. They are more expensive and are more likely to wobble.

If you refuse to buy 1" insert bits and insist on buying ALL long bits, then buying bits become less desirable because you aren't saving money.

I would either buy 1" insert bits or fixed screwdrivers.

If you want to buy ALL long bits then I'd reconsider the exchangeable blade system. You seem to favor this style.

Gezginite · Mar 13, 2020

ChevyEFI said:
The groove and lump are intended to be used in a locking drive. Like a power cordless impact bit driver. Unfortunately power drive bits like that can break at the groove, if used in a regular bit socket or extension.

So the E6L (with the lump) should only be used with impact driver due to risk of breaking if used with a regular bit socket? Correct understood?

measuredtwice said:
You're welcome. Sounds good.

I have the first 2 of those 3 bit holders. They're nice. I use them with 1" (25.4mm) insert bits.

I do caution you that ALL magnetic bit holders have a little bit of wobble. That little bit of wobble will be more noticeable with 95mm long bits.

You might consider a Wiha or Festool Centrofix if you want to use long power bits. It locks onto power bits so there is almost no wobble at all.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B01BESZ1TQ/
https://www.amazon.de/dp/B004SIVIR4/

They are both the same. Only the color and logo is different.

I am actually not quite satisfied with the bits now that you say that there will be a bit of wobble...

ChevyEFI said:
The C6 are insert bits. The E6 are power bits. Power bits fit into a power tool or a quick change chuck.

You can use both with the magnetic holder but I'd recommend the Wiha/Festool holder and the PB Swiss E6 if you want to use long bits.

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If I choice to buy bits, should I not be using C6 rather than E6 then? Now that I am going to use a bit holder? (E6 for impact drills and C6 for hand bit holder right?)

measuredtwice said:
In general, it is much more common to use 1" insert bits because they are cheapest. Long bits are only used when absolutely necessary. They are more expensive and are more likely to wobble.

I do not like the idea of them being "woobeling" tbh.

measuredtwice said:
If you refuse to buy 1" insert bits and insist on buying ALL long bits, then buying bits become less desirable because you aren't saving money.

The thing is that I know that there will be situations where the short bits wont be able to reach (even not with a bit extender since it have a "lump") why I would go will all the long bits, but the idea of it being "woobeling" kills the idea a bit for me...

measuredtwice said:
I would either buy 1" insert bits or fixed screwdrivers.

Fixed screwdrivers seems like a better option rather than woobeling bits for me.
Everything kept equal, the slotted, phillips and pozidriv screwdrivers are appx 12 screwdrivers which is fine. I would then but the rainbow l-keys. But when it comes to Torx I would then need to buy size 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 20, 25, 27, 30 and 40 as screwdrivers which is many screwdrivers

since you did not recommend the the Torx as L-keys (PB 410) I would need to buy 10 screwdrivers I assume https://www.pbswisstools.com/en/tools/quality-hand-tools/hex-key-l-wrenches/product/pb-410h-6-25-rb/

measuredtwice said:
If you want to buy ALL long bits then I'd reconsider the exchangeable blade system. You seem to favor this style.

I like the idea since it takes less space, but I am a bit in doubt since you earlier wrote:
Fixed are fixed. Interchangeable drivers can have some play. Also you can just grab a different screwdriver rather than have to mess with pulling out the blade and swapping it. If you change frequently, that would get old fast. Interchangeable blades are primarily useful for travel.

and the downsides you described:
[...] 3. Since it is not fixed, the blade will not be as secure. It may have some wobble. [...]

measuredtwice · Mar 13, 2020

Gezginite said:
So the E6L (with the lump) should only be used with impact driver due to risk of breaking if used with a regular bit socket? Correct understood?

...
If I choice to buy bits, should I not be using C6 rather than E6 then? Now that I am going to use a bit holder? (E6 for impact drills and C6 for hand bit holder right?)

Impact is a different topic. There are impact power bits, power bits, impact insert bits and insert bits.

Technically, the insert bits are made for magnetic handles but all of them will fit. I doubt you will break any of them by hand. You are more likely to break the tips long before you break the base.

Gezginite said:
I am actually not quite satisfied with the bits now that you say that there will be a bit of wobble...

...I do not like the idea of them being "woobeling" tbh.

Yah. It's not a big deal with the 1" bits because they are so short. Long bits are only used when absolutely necessary.

Gezginite said:
The thing is that I know that there will be situations where the short bits wont be able to reach (even not with a bit extender since it have a "lump") why I would go will all the long bits, but the idea of it being "woobeling" kills the idea a bit for me...

What are the situations? What are the sizes/types? Buy fixed screwdrivers for those particular situations and buy 1" insert bits for the rest.

Gezginite said:
Fixed screwdrivers seems like a better option rather than woobeling bits for me. Everything kept equal, the slotted, phillips and pozidriv screwdrivers are appx 12 screwdrivers which is fine. I would then but the rainbow l-keys. But when it comes to Torx I would then need to buy size 7, 8, 9, 10, 15, 20, 25, 27, 30 and 40 as screwdrivers which is many screwdrivers

I have the PB Swiss Torx fixed up to 25. As I said previously, for larger sizes you won't get enough torque with a screwdriver. You really need a bit socket for T30 and T40.

You can buy torx keys but I find it much more pleasant to use screwdrivers up to T25 and bit sockets for T30 and larger.

Gezginite said:
I like the idea since it takes less space, but I am a bit in doubt since you earlier wrote:
Fixed are fixed. Interchangeable drivers can have some play. Also you can just grab a different screwdriver rather than have to mess with pulling out the blade and swapping it. If you change frequently, that would get old fast. Interchangeable blades are primarily useful for travel.

and the downsides you described:
[...] 3. Since it is not fixed, the blade will not be as secure. It may have some wobble. [...]

I would only recommend the exchangeable blades for travel. I would go with fixed blades or 1" insert bits. I would only use long insert bits when absolutely necessary.

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