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My USA Made 2 Post Lift Quest, Nussbaum information and video review

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I have really enjoyed Garage Journal and I wanted to contribute my experience choosing a two post lift for my garage. After much consideration and research, I chose the Nussbaum SPL10000. Whenever I am going to spend this amount of money I do my research extensively. I want to share my findings with you and explain why I eventually chose this company.

I was only able to find a few references to Nussbaum on Garage Journal. Prior to 2020, Nussbaum lifts were only available through distributors, in January 2020 Nussbaum started selling factory direct.

After much research, I decided I wanted a 2-post American made lift for my garage. My investigation directed me towards Rotary SPOA10N700 ($5,218.39 installed), Challenger CL10V3 ($5495.00 installed) and Nussbaum SPL10000 (4295+ 695 install = $4990).

I live in Hickory, North Carolina and Nussbaum had a factory in Gastonia (just outside of Charlotte) about 45 minutes away. After getting the quotes, I went to the Nussbaum factory and toured. I was very impressed with the factory and really liked being able to see where my lift would be made, that put Nussbaum as my top choice.

As I researched the Challenger lift, some Garage Journal members wrote that the wording had changed from “Made in America” to “assembled in America”. A Garage Journal member posted: “I visited Challenger headquarters last week. The columns and overhead support are made there. The arms and carriage are made overseas.” That marked Challenger off my list. Thread here.

I was down to Rotary and Nussbaum.

After my tour of the factory, my mind was made up that Nussbaum was the best option for my garage.

Installation cost $695 and was performed by Isgett distributors. Initially, I was going to have the factory technician do the installation but there was a hiccup and Isgett performed the install. Isgett actually had to come out a second time to perform the installation due to an expansion joint in the concrete being in the way of the second post. They did not charge me extra despite having to make two trips.

Fitment and considerations:

I really like that the SPL10000 has the appearance of a symmetrical lift, but operates asymmetrically. I did not like how the Rotary SPOA10 posts were tilted inward, I understood why (for opening doors), but aesthetically that design bothered me.

I also liked that Nussbaum’s overall width was a little over 124”, slightly narrower than some of their competitors. Nussbaum offers an XL model which allows lifting height of 80” and requires 160” of height clearance. You can also do a standard height which is 142.75” and allows 73.5” of lifting height.

Fortunately, in my garage I designed (because of extensive research on garage Journal :)) the third bay area with scissor trusses, allowed me to fully utilize the height.

I am very impressed with the finish on my lift. It almost looks like powder coating. It has a great texture and it seems very durable. I read many times about imported lifts that had blemishes upon arrival. I never knew the importance of welds until learning about bad welding on Garage Journal and I can say: the welds are top notch.

As I compared my lift to the similar well-known import models (not the cheapo no name lifts) I was surprised that for only a small percentage more you could have a made in USA model. Also having the factory so close I knew that if there were any issues they would make it right. The safety considerations and ALI certification also made it easier to spend more on my lift.

I researched Nussbaum extensively and part of the reason for this post and video is because of the lack of current information outside of their website. I wanted to let Garage Journal folks contact the factory, set up a tour and buy a lift from them :sad:. The cool thing about having the factory right here is they really can customize and work with you for each part of the build. Nussbaum does sell German made lifts and I think the SPL model is exclusive to the US to satisfy American consumer interests.

You may have seen Nussbaum lifts in action in your city with the Carvana car towers. Interestingly, those were initially pioneered for advertising/selling Smart cars(we know what happened with that:). Carvana uses the same Nussbaum lifts for their purpose, which it seems is working a little better for Carvana. At the factory in Gastonia they had a special line building those lifts.

If you are interested in getting more information and pricing, please contact Chris Dillinger, he was extremely helpful and responsive.

This whole saga prompted me to start a youtube channel.
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Also, I would love feedback!

My Nussbaum SPL10 Initial Review Video

My Nussbaum SPL10 Installation Video

Google Photos Album of Install

Nussbaum USA Promotional Video

SPL10000 Information Sheet

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That's a nice looking lift! I was considering Nussbaum for a short while, in large part because they are made in Gastonia and I like to support companies who operate in NC (I use Wix filters for the same reason). Ultimately I ended up purchasing a different brand, because the price fit into my budget a little better. Great information for a company that does not get a ton of mentions. What part of Hickory are you in? I grew up in Conover, so I know the area very well.

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That's a nice looking lift! I was considering Nussbaum for a short while, in large part because they are made in Gastonia and I like to support companies who operate in NC (I use Wix filters for the same reason). Ultimately I ended up purchasing a different brand, because the price fit into my budget a little better. Great information for a company that does not get a ton of mentions. What part of Hickory are you in? I grew up in Conover, so I know the area very well.



-Chris



I am very close to LR. Thanks for the reply!


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tylerg1

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Nice write up. Just curious if Mohawk made it into you research?

Thanks for the reply. Lots of time in the write-up.
I looked briefly at Mohawk but they started around 7k, so I did not persue. Also, I liked having the floor clear and Mohawk design has a hump between the posts. I know some may like not having a bar on the top.

I think the best thing I learned from the process is for only 25-30% more then some of the reputable import life companies, you can have a US Made lift.

Thanks
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Tyler,

Thank you for the well documented review. I thought I had my mind made up, but it seems that you've thrown another choice into the mix, so thanks (sarcasm) :lol:.

I would much rather purchase something American, and somewhat local. I do have a question regarding your comment about asymmetrical vs. symmetrical.

Is your lift actually asymmetrical? The arms are "behind" the posts? This is important to me from my years of wrenching that I have more space to open doors.

Thank you again.
 

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I too wondered about why not a Mohawk, but I understand the cost. Not all of them have a hump in the middle, and honestly I'm taking your word for that because I have never seen one installed that way ever. Im familiar with their 8k, 9k, and 10k size two-post lifts.
Most of them have the lines up and over.

Thanks for the research and followthrough. Well done.
 

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I've had three German made Nussbaum lifts in my working shop for twenty years. They appear almost identical to yours with the exception that the hydraulic power unit has a dressy cover over it on the RH post. Re: the question from Metallitubby, they are true asymmetric lifts.
Be sure to keep the height adjustable pad screws lubed as they like to stick and corrode, also the cable pulleys inside the bottom of the posts. Mine also have a lot of corrosion on the bright steel cable covers inside the legs. We wash the floors almost every night which obviously contributes to the corrosion problems, but I like a clean workspace. I purchased my first two 22 years ago and added the third two years later. The first two were installed by the distributor, but I did my own install on the third. It was actually quite simple as the included instructions were very complete. The hardest part was standing up the posts but I simply lifted them with my Bobcat. The same job could be done with any sort of lift that can reach more than half the post height. Took me Half of a Saturday working alone.
I was interested to read the price you quoted as that's almost exactly what I paid twenty years ago...
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. Re: the question from Metallitubby, they are true asymmetric lifts.

Thank you.

I have emailed them for a quote and whomever is their approved installer nearby. I have "my lift guy" that I've worked with for years, but I'm interested in who they (Nussbaum) recommends.

semi-unrelated: I get excited when I find new options with more American made stuff.
 

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Any updates on the lift now that you have had it installed for a while?

I was going to buy a Mohawk before I saw this post and since it has 6'7 lift height and I am 6'6 I am now leaning towards the Nussbaum XL
 

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Wish I would've heard of Nussbaum. I hunted all over trying to find a US-made company, and gave up (I contacted Mohawk, and they never replied).

Did you get confirmation the Rotary lifts are American made? I noticed some of their lifts are absolutely identical to Chinese lifts, and the wording on their site seemed a bit vague as to where they're built, these days.
 

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Wish I would've heard of Nussbaum. I hunted all over trying to find a US-made company, and gave up (I contacted Mohawk, and they never replied).

Did you get confirmation the Rotary lifts are American made? I noticed some of their lifts are absolutely identical to Chinese lifts, and the wording on their site seemed a bit vague as to where they're built, these days.

I think the Rotary lifts are not made in the US anymore but I may be incorrect
 
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Any updates on the lift now that you have had it installed for a while?

I was going to buy a Mohawk before I saw this post and since it has 6'7 lift height and I am 6'6 I am now leaning towards the Nussbaum XL

Thanks for the reply. I am very happy with the lift. My only minor gripe is that when lowering the vehicle you have to use 2 hands, one for the hydraulics and one for the motor. I understand why they have you using two hands but it is a bit inconvenient.


It was my understanding that Rotary is still made in US but their Revolution line is made overseas. But with Globalization it is hard to know.

For what it is worth, Nussbaum said their steel came from Nucor in South Carolina.
 
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tylerg1

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Nice lift and great price on the install. I assume the install company also delivered it to your shop?
Yes, they picked it up at the Factory and brought it to my house.
Sorry for the late reply.
 

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I've tried emailing Nussbaum a couple times with no response. What's the magic word to get them to reply?

*Also, I am in the Shelby/Kings Mountain area quite a bit, so it makes sense for me to do business with a "local" company. I really want them to reply.
 
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I've tried emailing Nussbaum a couple times with no response. What's the magic word to get them to reply?

*Also, I am in the Shelby/Kings Mountain area quite a bit, so it makes sense for me to do business with a "local" company. I really want them to reply.


Contact the sales guy I posted, call or text might be best, email also.


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We have these lifts at work and some of them were installed almost 15-20 years ago and still going strong.


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Nice lift. Was not aware of this brand when I was shopping. And I’m only an hr away from Gastonia. Ended up with an rotary spo10 which I’m very happy with.
 

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Thanks for the reply. I am very happy with the lift. My only minor gripe is that when lowering the vehicle you have to use 2 hands, one for the hydraulics and one for the motor. I understand why they have you using two hands but it is a bit inconvenient.

Curious. Why do you need the motor to lower? On the rotary I do need two hands - but one to release the mechanical catches and one for the hydraulics.
 
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Curious. Why do you need the motor to lower? On the rotary I do need two hands - but one to release the mechanical catches and one for the hydraulics.



I misspoke, not the motor, meant the hydraulics.


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I find myself here because of a link in a current thread https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=465390
I like the Nussbaum in this thread specially the way the arms fold

one of the first things i thought when I placed my lift was " **** these arms are in the way since they don't fold back like this Nussbaum
and the lift does not get the bottom of the arms high enough for me to store it in the up position for clear floor space

I wish I had seen this thread before buying my Atlas/GregSmith unit
 

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Thanks for this review. I just became aware of Nussbaum lifts through www.obsessedgarage.com and came here looking for additional information/experience... happy to have found some. I'm also in NC and I may consider a plant tour myself sometime in the near future, as I travel the state for work and on a fairly regular basis make it down to the Charlotte area.

Currently a Bendpak XPR-10AS is high on my list of options but I'm curious if I can get a Nussbaum SPL 8 LO-PRO for not much more. The only price I've seen thus far on one of these is $5000 (not including S&H), but I'm curious if they can actually be had for closer to the price you got yours for, especially since yours is a higher capacity lift (unless the low profile arms/option adds that much additional cost). I will likely contact the factory rep you suggested this week and see if if I can get an official quote.
 

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Did you ever find out any information? If I could get this same lift installed for around $5k that is what I’d want. However the website pricing is not favorable lol. Maybe I will also try to call the contact posted by the OP.

Thanks for this review. I will likely contact the factory rep you suggested this week and see if if I can get an official quote.
 
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Did you ever find out any information? If I could get this same lift installed for around $5k that is what I’d want. However the website pricing is not favorable lol. Maybe I will also try to call the contact posted by the OP.



Call Chris on his cell, he will help you!
Thanks
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I guess Chris left there about 6 months ago. Byron Hauser is now "the guy". His number is 513-320-1842.

The SPL10000 is still $4290 which is the price from Nussbaum direct or a distributor. Freight charges vary as do installation depending on location. I'll be looking at about $5500 delivered/installed if I go with this unit. Thats about $500 more than the Challenger VLE10 which I was looking at. I don't believe this Challenger lift is made in the US and it likely would not offer any advantages other than its in stock locally and price.

I might be able to get it a couple hundred cheaper through a distributor like JMC Equipment which has 5% off coupon but I don't know their reputation.

Thanks!



Call Chris on his cell, he will help you!
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Did you ever find out any information? If I could get this same lift installed for around $5k that is what I’d want. However the website pricing is not favorable lol. Maybe I will also try to call the contact posted by the OP.

Boost, sorry for the late reply. But it looks like you already discovered that the best contact is now Byron.

I actually did end up purchasing an SPL-10 lift... and at a very reasonable cost (less than $3500 out the door, as I drove down and picked it up and then also installed it). The reason for the discount was at the time I spoke with Byron he had just taken back several lifts from a dealership, where they had been used for 4 months. The short version is, the wrong slider blocks (I think they are called) had been installed on these lifts (all ordered at the same time) and so Nussbaum took them back. But all they took back were the towers, as all the other parts transferred to the replacement lifts the dealer received. So all the arms, the pump and accessories that came with my unit were new. There are just a couple minor imperfections in the powdercoating on the base plate (I think they re-did them) but nothing that anyone would notice. And it still retains their full warranty.

Bottom line, it's been installed for about 3 months now and I LOVE it!
 

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Some in-use pics. I put my van up first... if I screwed something up I didn't want my wagon falling, lol.
 

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Nice looking lift, but the non-angled columns would probably be a deal killer for me.

As to where Rotary is made, I believe they bought one of the import lift companies, Direct Lift, and service the hobby /homeowner market with that product line. The old Revolution line of domestically built lifts was all out of stock when I checked a couple of months ago. I surmise means it’s defunct.

Rotary does offer the Forward line for professional independent repair shops and the domestic Rotary line for new car dealerships, both at Mohawk pricing levels.

That’s what I gathered anyway.
 

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Nice looking lift, but the non-angled columns would probably be a deal killer for me.

Why is the lack of an angle in the post a negative? That's part of the draw... they take up less space/width (out to out) while still providing as much inside spacing. It's still a asymetric lift and was designed that way from the get-go.
 

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Why is the lack of an angle in the post a negative? That's part of the draw... they take up less space/width (out to out) while still providing as much inside spacing. It's still a asymetric lift and was designed that way from the get-go.

My two post is asymmetric. With the twisted posts. The twist lets the doo of the car or truck open a lot farther than a straight post.

Do the math, or take a ride to my shop and see for yourself.
 

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My two post is asymmetric. With the twisted posts. The twist lets the doo of the car or truck open a lot farther than a straight post.

Do the math, or take a ride to my shop and see for yourself.

In a shop where you're in and out of cars all day I suppose I can see the use of the angled posts but in my personal garage/shop the space savings takes priority. And I've worked on many of asymetrical lifts before, all with angled towers, and can't say that when using mine I think the difference is all that noticeable. But again, I'm not using it multiple times a days.
 

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In a shop where you're in and out of cars all day I suppose I can see the use of the angled posts but in my personal garage/shop the space savings takes priority. And I've worked on many of asymetrical lifts before, all with angled towers, and can't say that when using mine I think the difference is all that noticeable. But again, I'm not using it multiple times a days.

You must be skinny, or else you don’t work on full sized pickups.

I need every inch of additional door opening space an asymmetric lift provides me, and that’s with the posts on the wide spacing.

Don’t need it on my 36 Ford pickup, though. That thing is tiny.
 

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Boost, sorry for the late reply. But it looks like you already discovered that the best contact is now Byron.

I actually did end up purchasing an SPL-10 lift... and at a very reasonable cost (less than $3500 out the door, as I drove down and picked it up and then also installed it). The reason for the discount was at the time I spoke with Byron he had just taken back several lifts from a dealership, where they had been used for 4 months. The short version is, the wrong slider blocks (I think they are called) had been installed on these lifts (all ordered at the same time) and so Nussbaum took them back. But all they took back were the towers, as all the other parts transferred to the replacement lifts the dealer received. So all the arms, the pump and accessories that came with my unit were new. There are just a couple minor imperfections in the powdercoating on the base plate (I think they re-did them) but nothing that anyone would notice. And it still retains their full warranty.

Bottom line, it's been installed for about 3 months now and I LOVE it!
Thank you for the heads up on this. Byron has been super busy so it took him a long while to get back to me but in the end he found a blue SPL10 demo unit on hand that I've just purchased from him at a significant discount (similar to you). I'll be having it drop shipped to my installer and will hopefully have it installed within the month.

I need to address lighting as I have a t8x6 fixture right where the lift cross beam will go. I plan to swap that to an outlet and install daisy-chained LED lights similar to what you have. Are yours the Koda from Costco by chance or ? I have a couple of the Koda fixtures now and they work OK. Wish I had gotten more when they were half the price in store compared to online.
 

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I've had three German made Nussbaum lifts in my working shop for twenty years. They appear almost identical to yours with the exception that the hydraulic power unit has a dressy cover over it on the RH post. Re: the question from Metallitubby, they are true asymmetric lifts.
Be sure to keep the height adjustable pad screws lubed as they like to stick and corrode, also the cable pulleys inside the bottom of the posts. Mine also have a lot of corrosion on the bright steel cable covers inside the legs. We wash the floors almost every night which obviously contributes to the corrosion problems, but I like a clean workspace. I purchased my first two 22 years ago and added the third two years later. The first two were installed by the distributor, but I did my own install on the third. It was actually quite simple as the included instructions were very complete. The hardest part was standing up the posts but I simply lifted them with my Bobcat. The same job could be done with any sort of lift that can reach more than half the post height. Took me Half of a Saturday working alone.
I was interested to read the price you quoted as that's almost exactly what I paid twenty years ago...
Joe
 
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