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Above 1200 Sq/FT The Engine House - My 30x50 Garage and Man Cave Build

Wokspaces above 1200 squarefeet.

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Hey All! I’ve been lurking around here for a long time, and recently have been building the dream garage. I figured it was time to kickoff a build thread. I am in Southern Maine and live with my wife and two sons who are almost 4 and 7.

We have been putting up this 30x50 Worldwide Steel Buildings hybrid wood/steel building over the last few months, though the site prep has been going on for over a year. Here’s what they say it’s supposed to look like when it’s done:

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We’ll see how we make out! First, I’ll start at the very beginning….

The story starts in 2016, in my bachelor pad house. The small two-bedroom bungalow was getting a little cramped for my wife, 2 year old son and I. Even though it was small we made it work:
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That summer, we found out son number two was on the way… We loved that house, but, being on a very small, non-conforming lot, adding on wasn’t really an option.

Why do I talk about the old house? Well, as I mentioned the “bachelor pad” had two great features:

A small detached garage out back that I would use as a workshop
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A kickass bar in the basement, dubbed the “South End Saloon”
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We went on the market on Black Friday 2016, and were under contract by Tuesday, with no place to go. After spending the winter with family, we found a killer deal on a larger house, with a couple of acres of land. The market was red-hot and the deal was too good to pass up, so we bought it. Son #2 came four days before closing, and we moved in a couple of weeks later:
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We love our new house, but the bachelor in me died a little since the basement would be used as a playroom and my office. I am in sales and work from home (even before it was the “cool” thing to do, haha) so a dedicated office was a must…

The 2 car attached garage left little room for activities with the cars parked inside, so I knew we would need to build something else on the property some day.

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The previous owners of the house had college-aged kids, and it was clear they hadn’t used the backyard since the kids were young. Everything was overgrown and the yard was pretty uneven.
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Somehow I convinced the wife that we just HAD to have a tractor. With that and my trusty chainsaw, I went to work.
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Now, those of you in construction, or with convenient access to heavy equipment will laugh, because you could probably have cleared this lot in a day or two. With just me, my saw and my tractor it took a while, picking away at the overgrowth as I had time. I will say, the grapple attachment on the tractor was a complete gamechanger! The other thing is, I had to use the tractor for this work since this is why I convinced the wife that I just HAD to have it, LOL…
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The clearing continued....
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I knew the long-term plan was to put in a backyard for the kids, and to put up a building sometime in the future, the distant future.

Plans heated up in the fall of 2019 when I brought home this fine piece of American iron…
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It’s an interesting story about how we ended up with this truck, maybe after the build I’ll post that too. That winter we paid for storage to keep the truck undercover for the winter. As we rolled into 2020, my wheels started turning about the “distant” building project. By springtime the wife was on board, and we were getting ******** into the site prep and getting quotes together for a barn/garage.
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That looks like a nice piece of property, its cleaning up well.
I had to convince my wife we needed a tractor when we bought 2 acres of land.
We had more than a few discussion's about it but no movement. We were moving gravel with a pair of his and hers wheel barrows, which by the way is the best time to have a tractor discussion. "If we had a tractor we could move a couple of wheel barrows with each bucket load". Your right we need a tractor. I bought my first B7100 Kubota with a loader that was used but restored. Then I purchased a B7100 parts tractor that I ended up fixing, and turned it into my tractor that I use all summer for the gardens. I was working my tractors too hard each spring breaking ground and we ended up buying a new 40 hp New Holland with a loader. We now have three tractors and my wife is the one who suggested buying a new bigger tractor so we did.
 
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We had been pricing out all different options for buildings; stick built, pole barn, all steel, etc. I kept being drawn back to the Worldwide Steel hybrid steel/wood building. It was cost-effective per square foot and I loved the open span roof trusses.

Before the fire truck, we were thinking of building a smaller building, 24x32 or 24x36. Now with the truck, we knew it would have to be larger. The way the lot was set up, a 30x50 was just about right.

The plan is to have workshop/garage in the front 3/4, and the rear 1/4 will be a mancave/bar. We settled on a 30x50 hybrid steel building with 12' wall height. The 6:12 roof pitch and steel trusses give us almost 19' from the floor to the top of the ceiling in the center. I'm not sure if we'll do a mezzanine or not in the back, but we'll see.

We spent the quarantine summer working on the build site. We ended up renting an excavator from a rental place a couple of miles away a couple of times to get the stumps out and do some of the heavier work. It's amazing how much faster this was than the tractor.

Much Faster than the tractor!
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The quarry near our house sells all of the yard waste from the crushers as fill. It's super cheap, and is basically a mix of stone dust, 3/4" & 1.5" stone and some larger chunks mixed in. It compacts like concrete. We put in over 120 tons of it to get leveled up.
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I found this Bosch laser level kit for sale on the FB Marketplace for $300. It was listed as "like new" but the box was still sealed... Hmm... I didn't ask questions, a good deal is a good deal...
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The York Rake was another Marketplace steal. and made this part so much easier.
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Compacting in small lifts was a pain. But this fill really settled in tight.
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Another few loads of gravel and crushed stone, and we are ready to start concrete prep!
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That looks like a nice piece of property, its cleaning up well.
I had to convince my wife we needed a tractor when we bought 2 acres of land.
We had more than a few discussion's about it but no movement. We were moving gravel with a pair of his and hers wheel barrows, which by the way is the best time to have a tractor discussion. "If we had a tractor we could move a couple of wheel barrows with each bucket load". Your right we need a tractor. I bought my first B7100 Kubota with a loader that was used but restored. Then I purchased a B7100 parts tractor that I ended up fixing, and turned it into my tractor that I use all summer for the gardens. I was working my tractors too hard each spring breaking ground and we ended up buying a new 40 hp New Holland with a loader. We now have three tractors and my wife is the one who suggested buying a new bigger tractor so we did.



Haha, funny how that works huh? She routinely says now “I don’t know how we lived without the tractor.”

It sounds like your lot is similar in size to ours, we’re on 2 acres here. It feels larger because it’s mostly wooded and it’s narrow and deep.


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By mid September we were pouring concrete. We went with a 6" floor with rebar and wire mesh, and thickened edges (12" x 18"). I really wanted to do radiant heat, but it just wasn't in the budget as we do things mostly "pay as you go" around here. I'm sure I'll regret it, but it is what it is.

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With the slab in the ground, the project really started to feel like a reality!
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Another marketplace find, a cheap 18' scissor lift. Had to go to southern Connecticut to get it, but it was worth it.
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A couple of weeks later the lumber arrived, and a week after that, the building kit arrived.
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“I don’t know how we lived without the tractor.”
You actually just quoted my wife (-:
She asked me at the end of this summer to look for a three point landscape rake.
Its all about a tool and how it can make the job easier and most cases cheaper.
Cool to see you involve the next generation!
Well done!
 
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The building was delivered on a Wednesday night, so you'd think that weekend we'd be diving right into the build. Well, not in our case...

In Maine, they issue 2500-3000 Moose hunting permits per year through a lottery system.
Tens of thousands of people from Maine and all over the country put in for the lottery, in hopes of going on a Moose hunt. Well, my Dad got picked, so instead of starting the build the weekend after delivery, we were heading north to find a Bull Moose...

Saw plenty of cows...
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And trees...
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And finally, a nice bull!
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644 pounds worth!
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The Moose hunt was AWESOME, but by the time we got back I was ready to get building!
 

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With the freezer full, it was time to get building (finally!). It's now late October and the cold Maine winter is in sight.
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As you may have figured out by now, in addition to my "real job" I am also a firefighter in my home town. with a major project to do, it was time to rally the troops. Having connections in our small town, we were able to borrow a telehandler for the first weekend, which proved invaluable.
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We made HUGE progress for the first weekend of building!

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One thing I should mention here. Overall, Worldwide Steel has been AWESOME to work with. They are super responsive and have answered any question I've had in a timely manner.

Due to the snow and wind load requirements here, they specified 2x12 roof purlins, which, are HEAVY and EXPENSIVE.

When we originally priced the building, it was before lumber skyrocketed in price over the summer. At the time their all-steel building option was about $6000 more than the hybrid wood/steel kit that we bought.

By the time it was all said and done, the inflated lumber costs closed that price delta to the point that if I were doing this all over again, I would go with the all-steel option.
 
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We spent the next couple of weekends getting the framing done. The nice thing about this style of building, we were able to field-locate all of the windows and doors.
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We then started the roof, getting about 1/3 of one side done before a major downpour started. This is when we found the 2x12 purlins to be a bear to work on. I believe that most of the WW Steel kits use 2x8's, so the mounting flanges are only 4"ish long. This made the purlins very unstable, and in turn made screwing the roof panels directly on to them very HARD. That first night, we noticed a few screw misses, and, in turn leaks... Ugh...

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I figured sheathing the roof with OSB or plywood was the best way to proceed. I consulted the building engineer, and we were well within the dead load limits with the sheathing, so that's what we did. Did I mention anything lumber-related, including OSB and Plywood is stupid expensive right now? Ouch...

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Even with the setback, we were able to get all of the decking down and the roofing installed in a weekend. Nothing lost other than the lighter than anticipated wallet!

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Then we moved on to the siding. Everything went together basically as planned. I found the steel panels a little harder to work with than I was anticipating.

YouTube channels like RR Buildings and others make this work look SO EASY. Well, like most trades, it's really not that easy for us novices.

Now we're into the holiday season, so full work weekends have been reduced to a day or even a few hours here and there. This is also the point where I figured out that we were short the eave trim, which is not ideal with snow coming.

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Somehow my siding ribs from on the Wainscoting and Siding ran out of alignment.

At first my OCD was off the charts and I was contemplating taking it all down and doing it over again.

Once I settled down a little, we're just gonna live with it. I guess it'll add character, and be our signature of the "DIY" build...

The front lines up perfectly, so I have that going for me! :lol:
 

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Nice build. I’m in for the Ford engine. Who built the body?

I’m glad to see your sons work crew is properly attired for each job. Do you pay them more for being cross trained for job skills?
 
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There are three things that I planned on subbing out in the project.

  • Concrete (Done)
  • Electric Meter Upgrade (In-Progress)
  • Overhead Door (Done)

In late December, we had the door installed. I really wanted two 10' wide 12' high doors, but the way the front wall columns laid out, the best I could do was a single 16' wide by 12' high door opening.

After consulting with the door guy, he talked me out of a 12' high door because the track bend radius would be very tight. He recommended an 11'6" door with a better radius to minimize potential issues down the road. This made sense to me, and it was pretty easy to modify the framing plan to accommodate the 6" shorter door. I guess I won't be adding a rear-mount tower ladder to the fleet anytime soon... :lol:

I'm glad we met with the door guy before we framed the opening and started siding...
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We managed a little discount for having a scissor lift on site, not too bad!
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The door is in and complete! We went with a Liftmaster side mount lift since we use the MyQ app with the doors on our attached garage, we have the same functionality on this door as well.
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He finished up not a moment too soon, the snow arrived the very next day!
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Truck and Tractor are nice and cozy indoors... Not a bad place to spend a weekend day, if I must say so myself.
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Here's the updated view from the street to give you an idea of how we're looking now compared to how we started...
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Mission accomplished! We can tilt the cab with a few inches to spare even under the door track, the lowest point in the garage.
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Up next electrical and trim work...
 

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Nice build. I’m in for the Ford engine. Who built the body?

I’m glad to see your sons work crew is properly attired for each job. Do you pay them more for being cross trained for job skills?

Thanks! It's a 1981 Ford C900 (Gas job with 5+2 manual) and a Pierce body.
 
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Nice building! Welcome to Garage Journal. I am also in Southern Maine.

Awesome, thanks! There's a few Mainers on here I see... I looked at your build thread, we're south of you (not too hard to figure out from my pics right? LOL)

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New Year's weekend was unseasonably warm here in Maine, and good thing too, I needed to get my trench in for the electrical install.

Our house was built in the late 1980's, but it only has a 100a service, weird I know... I am pretty sure the attached garage was built after the house, that means our meter is on the side of the garage with a 100a shutoff, and it feeds the house panel in the basement. The route of that service cable is unknown...

I reached out to more than a few electricians, a bunch came to look at the job. My thought process was pretty simple:

- Putting in an entirely new service was a non-starter cost wise.
- Upgrading the house panel to 200a and adding a 100a feeder to the garage would require replacing the mystery cable between the meter and the house.
- I definitely want 100a in the shop.

This led me to the idea of upgrading the meter socket, trenching a 100a feeder to the new building, and having a separate 100a disconnect to the new building. This made perfect sense to me, but electrician after electrician recommended anything but this. Most wanted to go the house panel & feeder upgrade route. Some insisted I only need 50a and should just run it off the house panel. FINALLY a local guy with great online reviews came over to take a look. I explained what I was trying to do, and why and he agreed with me completely (Thank you! I'm not an electrician, but I am fairly handy, and know my way around AC electrical).

On a side note, I ran into the same issue with concrete contractors. I knew I wanted a 6" floor, rebar and 4500psi mix. I knew I had a 12 ton truck to support 24x7 and I also wanted to be able to put a lift in anywhere in the building down the road. Contractor after contractor told me a 4" floor would do, 3000PSI is fine, and fiber mesh is just as good as rebar and wire mesh... Finally the local guy, who EVERYONE recommended came along and recommended exactly what I had in mind. Why is this so hard?

Okay, back to the electrical... I had originally wanted the electrician to do the meter socket upgrade and I'd take care of the conduit and feeder. At the last minute I asked him to give me a price on that too with me doing the trench. At the end of the day the labor cost to install the conduit, feeder and 100a panel was a no-brainer, so he did it all and I got to trenching...

Not knowing the frost situation, I went with the larger 36" trencher from Home Depot. It made quick work of the job. 130' for electrical, 45' for ethernet run to house, and another 20' to finally put that hardwired lamp shining on my flagpole, all done in about 90 minutes.
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Trenching day was warm and muddy, but that night temperatures plunged, leaving the trencher caked in frozen mud... Time to bring out the fire hose...
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The electrician came in a few days later and everything went off without a hitch. Yes, I know the tape needs to be pulled up off the conduit, but the ground is re-frozen solid, so we're not backfilling anytime soon...
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The PoCo is coming on 1/20 to do their thing, after that we should be live!
 

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Awesome, thanks! There's a few Mainers on here I see... I looked at your build thread, we're south of you (not too hard to figure out from my pics right? LOL)

-Nick

Unfortunately I have been very lax in keeping up with my build thread. Hopefully get back at it soon. Yes I see that you are just south and a little inland.
 

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I can understand the electricians voting for various methods but why do the concrete guys care? You want 4.8K concrete and rebar, they should just do it. Doesn't cost them anything.
 
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I can understand the electricians voting for various methods but why do the concrete guys care? You want 4.8K concrete and rebar, they should just do it. Doesn't cost them anything.

My point exactly! I totally get it that these guys constantly deal with homeowners who are trying to take the cheap way out and nickel and dime them, but in the case of the concrete I wasn't as concerned with the cost as I was the spec.
 
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I absolutely LOVE the pic of the fire with your 2 boys in their Junior Firefighter equipage !

Looks like it will be a nice shop.

I'm going to follow this one.

Thanks bookworm! it's been a blast doing this with the boys and with friends and family.
 
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As I mentioned in an earlier post, I was short some trim for the eaves on my original delivery. That trim finally showed up last week:
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The weather was decent last weekend, so we started putting it up.
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We even had a couple little helpers...
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Minor SNAFU... The building is supposed to have 12" overhangs, but somehow when I mounted the eave extensions I accounted for the fascia board twice. This makes the side overhangs 1 1/2" short. It's not a huge deal, but now I have to trim all of the soffit trim pieces to fit. What was I saying earlier about the pros making it look so easy :scared:?

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It took some time to sort out the new measurements and the order of operations, so I didn't get as far as I would have liked. Either way, the process is figured out now, so hopefully I can button this up over the long weekend this weekend.

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Side note, I logged in to the GJ app on my phone last night and realized that all of the photos show up twice in the post. I assume this is because I uploaded them to GJ but also put them inline with the text using the BB code. Is there any way to upload them directly and automatically have them show up inline?

-Nick
 

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C91x

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Shop is looking good.

I'd be lying if I said that i didn't have a few screws on my roof that are at a bad angle.
 
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Shop is looking good.

I'd be lying if I said that i didn't have a few screws on my roof that are at a bad angle.

Thanks! Yeah, I started out with extreme OCD which has waned as the project has moved along, and as it's gotten colder out, haha.
 
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Love the build, family involvement, and the fire truck!

Thanks man! I'll write up the truck story and post in once things quiet down a little. Between the building and work being crazy busy there hasn't been too much free time lately.
 
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We've been blessed with a pretty mild winter by Maine standards (pretty sure I just screwed myself with that one...) so my dad came over and we hung more trim. We managed to get the facia and soffits done on both sides of the building.

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With a little more daylight left on Sunday, we also got one corner trim piece trimmed and put on along with the eave "bird box" trim. If anyone who is familiar with RR Buildings on YouTube, this is my attempt at their seamless-look corner trim detail. I think it came out decent. It was a bit of a challenge getting all of the facia trim lined up perfectly since none of the 2x12 facia boards were perfectly straight. We did the best we could, there is one piece just above the center window I think I will try and fix on this side.

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The finished corner post definitely makes the garage look more 'done'! It looks like this coming weekend is supposed to be nice too, so hopefully we can get the other three corners on, and maybe the front roof trim done!

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The only downside of the warm weather lately has been the MUD! I haven't really done much with the driveway yet, so it's still a mix of fill, sand and some gravel. The sandy spots are particularly nasty with this constant freeze/thaw/rain cycle we've been on.

I'd love a week in the high 20's/low 30's to firm things up and make it easier to move around the site.
 

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Looking good. I have been debating on my building how to do the soffits. Right now they are planned just to be on pitch with the roof and I was thinking of doing the gable ends as long pieces and the eaves as short so it's all running the same direction, but I'm pretty sure that would end up being a big headache. Your soffit looks good so I will probably end up mimicking it.
 
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