Any Stahlwille or Belzer Germany Fans ?

RichoTas · Feb 6, 2021

I've always enjoyed collecting and using most German tools, then settled on Stahlwille and Belzer, the vintage older stuff being hard to find here in Australia.
I used to work opposite FH Prager in Miller St. Pyrmont, NSW back in the mid 1970s, selling mainly German sourced tools.
Show us what you have and I'm happy to include VBW, whom Stahlwille bought out and closed the brand. I believe Stahlwille pliers are still made in the old VBW factory.
Anyway, show us you 'Willes ;-)

d42jeep · Feb 6, 2021

Here are my Belzer combos that live in my metric wrench drawer. Sorry about the blurry pictures. I’ll take some updated ones and add them.
-Don

d42jeep · Feb 6, 2021

I used to have these Stahlwille wrenches but I passed them along to another collector. They were nice wrenches but I really didn’t have any need for them.
-Don

senlow · Feb 6, 2021

Belzer made great tools, but they are not common around here. I have managed to acquire a few. Yes, the 1/4 drive socket set box is empty.

Private Lugnutz · Feb 6, 2021

I don't collect vintage European tools, per se, as an active goal. Not that I have anything against them, I just prefer collecting US made vintage tools. But I will pick them up in the wild if something catches my eye, like this Belzer Vanadium-Extra Engineer's wrench, for instance. I keep it in my specials and rares drawer with some wrenches from Russian and France. I just like the looks of it, such as that classic European numeral "1" in the "11" and "14" metric milled opening sizes, with the serif so long it almost looks like a "7". And of course the name. If you know anything about wrench types, you don't have to speak German or use Google Translate to intuitively know that "INGENIEUR" means "ENGINEER," that is, a DOE wrench with heads having 15* angles. This is a pure Belzer wrench. Well before Dowidat got their mitts on the brand, and certainly well before it was passed unceremoniously like a forgotten urn from Dowidat to Bahco to Sandvik to Snap-on to Apex. I get it out from time to time, bow, make the sign of the cross, and put it back in the specials and rares drawer.

d42jeep · Feb 6, 2021

A couple more Stahlwille wrenches from the garage. I like how the combo covers all it’s bets with Whitworth, BS and Metric sizes all shown on the wrench and the DBE is “stronger than any bolt”.
-Don

TjoFrasse · Feb 7, 2021

While I do have a lot of Stahlwille stuff, I don't really have a vintage collection there. But I do have a Belzer collection, although not super large.

Here are some items from the vintage ones:

From the sockets in this one, a detail study of the logo variations over the years:

I also have some that are NOS, and somewhat more recent (perhaps not even categorised as vintage):

Jack84 · Feb 7, 2021

Does the Sandvik Belzer stuff count too?

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Private Lugnutz · Feb 7, 2021

1990's, right? I'm not in charge, it's not my thread, and what defines 'vintage' has always been a bit of a debate here on GJ, dating back to the years before Ryan even created the Vintage Board - in no small part by request of the vintage collectors, who were constantly lost in the noise of modern tool talk. Tools from the 1990s aren't posted down here as commonly as, say 1920s through 1960s, but, hey, I'm not in charge, etc, etc.

EDIT:

It's a good question though, Jack, from a broader sense.

This is the second thread like this to pop up down here recently. The first was TjoFrasse's 'Nordic Tools' thread. I am heartily enjoying the idea of them both for selfish reasons. The 'Tools of the Old World' thread on the General board is almost exclusively dominated by modern tools. Discussions of vintage European tools are few and far between, they get lost in all the bright green and orange plastic handles, to the extent where finds of and questions about truly vintage European tools there almost feel like interruptions at times. I was already thinking that Tjo's 'Nordic' thread is where I would now go with vintage Swedish tools, and that this thread here is where I will go with vintage German tools.

But, I have to say, I would hate to see either of them turn into 'Nordic-only' and 'Stahlwille/Belzer-only' spin-offs of the 'Tools of the Old World' thread. Those kinds of threads would more rightfully belong on the General Discussion board.

Just my two Deutschemarks.

Jack84 · Feb 7, 2021

A selection.

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Holvik · Feb 8, 2021

Jack84 said:
Does the Sandvik Belzer stuff count too?

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The early Sandvik Belzer was made in Germany ,same quality and finish as older Belzer tools I think

RichoTas · Feb 8, 2021

Perhaps it was after the 90's that Sandvik Belzer became a lesser quality.
I have some older Belzer, very tactile.
Belzer pliers were what I remember and the post by TjoFrasse shows a few mint pairs.
They have been the best pliers I've ever handled.
Some Stahlwille wrench/spanner series have changed very little over the years.
Thanks for everyone contributing.

Holvik · Feb 9, 2021

VBW Rachets

Holvik · Feb 9, 2021

Belzer Sandvik.

Jack84 · Feb 9, 2021

Found some more items.

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Ralf11 · Feb 9, 2021

Did Stahlwille own Belzer?

Holvik · Feb 9, 2021

RichoTas said:
Show us what you have and I'm happy to include VBW, whom Stahlwille bought out and closed the brand. I believe Stahlwille pliers are still made in the old VBW factory.

Quote from the first post, I didn't know this.

Holvik · Feb 9, 2021

Jack84 said:
Found some more items.

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Nice tools !
Especially the hammers

RichoTas · Feb 10, 2021

Holvik, very nice indeed.
I have a VBW fine spline 3/8" drive ratchet I've had for 30+ years. Thanks for showing the VBW stuff.

senlow · Feb 11, 2021

Here is the extent of my Stahlwille tools.

Ralf11 · Feb 11, 2021

is that a Hazet wrench holder??

senlow · Feb 12, 2021

Ralf11 said:
is that a Hazet wrench holder??

No, it's an SK branded Protoco wrench rack. The color is similar to Hazet blue.

senlow · Feb 12, 2021

I ran across a couple more Stahlwille goodies in the garage today.

d42jeep · Feb 13, 2021

Here is a picture of a couple of old wrenches that seem appropriate for the thread.
-Don

d42jeep · Feb 13, 2021

I forgot about two of my favorite hammers. Here they are.
-Don

Adriangtr · Feb 16, 2021

Stahlwille fan here. Will post more images on the thread once I am able and hit the post requirements.

If there's anyone out these thats willing to trade or sell im after some stahlwille items.

Adriangtr · Feb 16, 2021

@RicohTas nice to meet a fellow tasman stahlwille fan. I'm based in NZ myself. You keen on any trading / selling

RichoTas · Feb 16, 2021

Hi Adrian, welcome. I have to confess I don't sell a lot,
Stahlwille especially ;-).
Though there may be some pieces which I'll let go.

Adriangtr · Feb 16, 2021

I completely understand RichoTas I'm the same way with my pride and joy also. I have been struggling to find any series 18 spanners to finish my set. That's the top of my shopping/ trade list

Ralf11 · Feb 16, 2021

I'm gonna say it right now: I like Stahlwille green better than SK green.

gigamel · Feb 18, 2021

Older Stahlwille torque wrench

bonneyman · Feb 26, 2021

Great tools all! :rocker:

Honest Bob · Feb 26, 2021

I came across this beauty at the thrift store a couple years ago for $35. I never heard of Stahlwille before and havent seen anything local since. I'm not sure how it got over here in America but I bet its a cool story.

bonneyman · Feb 26, 2021

Honest Bob said:
I came across this beauty at the thrift store a couple years ago for $35. I never heard of Stahlwille before and havent seen anything local since. I'm not sure how it got over here in America but I bet its a cool story.

Maybe it came over with an immigrant?
Love the light green color. Very distinctive.

george.dimm · Mar 4, 2021

RichoTas said:
I've always enjoyed collecting and using most German tools, then settled on Stahlwille and Belzer, the vintage older stuff being hard to find here in Australia.
I used to work opposite FH Prager in Miller St. Pyrmont, NSW back in the mid 1970s, selling mainly German sourced tools.
Show us what you have and I'm happy to include VBW, whom Stahlwille bought out and closed the brand. I believe Stahlwille pliers are still made in the old VBW factory.
Anyway, show us you 'Willes ;-)

VBW still exist as an integral part of the STAHLWILLE Group. VBW® is a strong brand with its own manufacturing facilities in Germany. They produce bolt-cutters, waterpump pliers, pipe wrenches and many other kinds of pliers, cutters & spanners of all designs. Stahlwille and other brands take pliers from them.
Belzer made best tools of their time.

Adriangtr · May 15, 2021

Most of my tools are all listed on my Instagram I've been a collector or vintage stahlwilel for about a year now and use thier modern stuff for projects on my e30 and e82

Check out my mostly stahlwille tool but also german made stuff.

@thatgermantoolguy

If anyone has info or catolugues on the older stuff that would be amazing.

Adriangtr · May 15, 2021

senlow said:
I ran across a couple more Stahlwille goodies in the garage today.

Would you consider selling the tin with the black insert?

oldpliers1 · Jul 24, 2021

RichoTas said:
I've always enjoyed collecting and using most German tools, then settled on Stahlwille and Belzer, the vintage older stuff being hard to find here in Australia.
I used to work opposite FH Prager in Miller St. Pyrmont, NSW back in the mid 1970s, selling mainly German sourced tools.
Show us what you have and I'm happy to include VBW, whom Stahlwille bought out and closed the brand. I believe Stahlwille pliers are still made in the old VBW factory.
Anyway, show us you 'Willes ;-)

Hi yes I have a few belzer bits , and their nice mint in box items , I grew up around the corner from FHPs home and knew the man and his kin , his son was testrite , I am looking for some FHP long nose pliers from late 70s , ( were you at SCC or festival records ? ) and as a boy we did a shopping spree at FHP , due to our common friends and hardware store, ( being Frank’s local on kenthurst road ) regards A

oldpliers1 · Jul 24, 2021

RichoTas said:
Perhaps it was after the 90's that Sandvik Belzer became a lesser quality.
I have some older Belzer, very tactile.
Belzer pliers were what I remember and the post by TjoFrasse shows a few mint pairs.
They have been the best pliers I've ever handled.
Some Stahlwille wrench/spanner series have changed very little over the years.
Thanks for everyone contributing.

Hi again Richo , I have mint belzer pliers and side cutters boxed , Acetate handles chromed they look identical to the Bahco except chrome and insulation on handles , bought of a guy on the Gold Coast i lol take some photos to post . Regards A ( I Am Big on pliers and hand tools ,and spent a lot of time working close to Harris st , wharves , TAB , Institute of tech , Sydney morning herald etc )

oldpliers1 · Jul 24, 2021

RichoTas said:
Perhaps it was after the 90's that Sandvik Belzer became a lesser quality.
I have some older Belzer, very tactile.
Belzer pliers were what I remember and the post by TjoFrasse shows a few mint pairs.
They have been the best pliers I've ever handled.
Some Stahlwille wrench/spanner series have changed very little over the years.
Thanks for everyone contributing.

Hi I hope these photos help improve the information on belzer Sandvik pliers, Ido not know anything about them ,but they were obsolete and looked very collectable.
1 unusal thing I did own was in 1985 a pair of Sandvik pliers made in Korea , marketed by Wattmaster for a very short time , different to marvel, they were all a crescent copy .

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