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more poor QC examples -- Snap On and Trusty Cook

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EDIT on 9 Jan 2010: if you read this thread, PLEASE see my posts regarding the very positive resolution to the TC issue. I do find the condition of the first ball pein hammer I received to be suboptimal, but in the end, I am very satisfied with my replacement hammer, the customer service provided by the Trusty Cook team, and my overall experience with them. I would not hesitate to buy from Trusty Cook again in the future, nor to recommend them to fellow tool junkies!

EDIT on 12 Jan 2010: the Snap On issue has also been successfully resolved. Please see my post for more details. Special thanks to MrShaun for his help in interfacing with Snap On to get me replacements quickly.

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I got 4 packages of tools today...2 contained disappointments.

From Snap On, I got two loose low-profile sockets (among other items). Believe it or not, the first thing I noticed was that on one of then, the drive end did not have detents in it. But then I noticed that the stamping is almost non-existent, the drive end isn't properly finished, etc. How the heck did this get out of the factory like this?!?

From Trusty Cook, I got 4 hammers. To be honest, I was uninspired by the overall fit and finish (molding seams were very prominent and in no way smoothed, etc.), but check out this particular hammer. Are those gaps between the metal head and the plastic body normal? And what's with the glue all over the place, including on the head?

In better news, I got my GREEN screwdrivers from mooman, who did a first-rate job of packaging the screwdrivers and tray, and even included a cool sticker. These are my first SO screwdrivers...I'm still pretty certain I prefer my SwissGrips, but time will tell. I also got some SO short offset box wrenches from eBay that were a great deal for a brand new set!

Oh, and on a related note -- they might be made by Trusty Cook, but the SO deadblow ball pein hammer I got in this order has much better overall fit and finish than the TC-branded hammers, and the handle is much more comfortable, as well. Is that worth the significant price premium? Probably not, except in your most used weights, and also for lighter hammers, where the extra feedback from the grip should help a lot.
 

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hold the phone, stop the presses. poor quality, poor fit and finish. where does it say sk on them? oh wait, the other brands are perfect. yeah right! i wonder if we will see multi-pages of i am done, or i am cancelling my order. thanks for posting the pics. they crack me up.
 
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I know all of the brands have problems...trust me. That's part of the reason why I posted these! And I personally wouldn't swear off any brand because of one (or even a handful) of bad examples.
 

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The socket...It's funny that it made it's way ALL the way thru the manufacturing process...they even tried to press the name on, which if I remember correctly is done by human hands (at least putting the part in the machine is done by humans).

I wonder if it somehow fell in the batch of the wrong size and therefore got milled incorrectly.
 

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Add Proto to the list of QC mishaps.....

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are the sockets from this set?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160390423497

the reason I asked is because Snap On was pushing it pretty hard during the holiday season, it was featured in the email flyers I received along side with the chinese hammer.

Not from the "set", but from the "series" (it's one of the sockets I bought to fill in the sizes that the set is missing). FWIW, the sockets are stamped USA. Well, they're supposed to be ;)
 

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i am so disappointed. i fully expected this thread to be full of hate and discontent. instead it is just ho hum. who cares? i do. i try and put forth good, factual info.(sometimes mocked in the process) i even state my opinion sometimes. here goes. i have almost every major brand of tools. my most difficult to get repaired or replaced, you guessed it. i don't need to say it. i get so tired of the sheep bragging up their brand as the leader, the best and the one to beat. i like them also but they are not the end all, be all. damn good, but not that much better. my guess is this thread just disappears as it does not please the masses. much more popular to trash the company who is on hard times. of course that thread suddenly falls from favor when someone posts some reliable information.
 

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autoace is gonna have a field day with this thread. :eek2:

I have had major QC issues with many companies, Snap-on being one of the big ones. No big deal, Snap-on is JUST another tool manufacturer, nothing more, nothing less.

I was sending back some Cornwell tools today, QC b.s.

Right now alot of the Taiwan tool manufacturers have much better QC than Cornwell, Snap-on, SK, Proto, etc..........

Am I the only one having a problem with it? I told my Cornwell dealer today, if I want tools with this poor of a finish, I know where Harbor Freight is, and they don't cost hundreds a set, better yet for medium money, GearWrench is near defect free, from what I can see.

If the USA manufacturers keep serving ****, I won't pay the high prices. They are all doing the "Craftsman boogie" IMHO

I expect high quality USA made tools, and that is what I prefer, but if they ALL keep it up, they won't be getting much of my money. I also hate returning the tools, why should I have to be the final QC reject inspector,they should care more about their customers paying their prices.

"field trip" over Merk. :lol_hitti
 

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i am so disappointed. i fully expected this thread to be full of hate and discontent. instead it is just ho hum. who cares? i do. i try and put forth good, factual info.(sometimes mocked in the process) i even state my opinion sometimes. here goes. i have almost every major brand of tools. my most difficult to get repaired or replaced, you guessed it. i don't need to say it. i get so tired of the sheep bragging up their brand as the leader, the best and the one to beat. i like them also but they are not the end all, be all. damn good, but not that much better. my guess is this thread just disappears as it does not please the masses. much more popular to trash the company who is on hard times. of course that thread suddenly falls from favor when someone posts some reliable information.

Don't worry...it's still early.
They're all sleeping.

And I think you have to agree, that SK has got to have the worst QC in the bunch.

I've never seen a bad Snap On piece...until now.
 

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Wow!!!!! Those tools look ugly! Hey, is that proto wrench a new prototype? Maybe i can use it on all the bolts that I rounded with my old craftsman junk!:lol_hitti
 

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Don't worry...it's still early.
They're all sleeping.

And I think you have to agree, that SK has got to have the worst QC in the bunch.

I've never seen a bad Snap On piece...until now.

bs. merk went on for days about his wrench being broached offset. many other have talked about warranty issues. i also believe cman has a far worse qc program.
 

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bs. merk went on for days about his wrench being broached offset. many other have talked about warranty issues. i also believe cman has a far worse qc program.

I didn't see that one. Warranty issues how? Like them not honoring the warranty?

Explain why I got 3 screwed up sets of wrenches. How is that possible?? I should have played the lottery.
 

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i do not know how you have gotten 3 messed up sets. how have i had 25 differant sets that were not? how did two sockets get through? how did the hammer get through. how did the wrench get through. why do i have trouble getting snap-on warranty? why do other people? i do not claim to have the answer to any of it. your chances of winning the lottery are as good as anyone elses, but you have to buy the ticket.
 
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Every company has defects. I definetely don't like it and I get irritated when I buy a new tool only to find it wasn't made to the top quality standards that I expect.

SK is pretty bad sk farmer, I actually bought some wrenches that had deep, sharp cracks in the chrome.
 

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Scott, I would be disappointed too - those tools are defects, no doubt about it.
 
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Before I rip into TC on the phone tomorrow, do you all agree that the hammer is defective? Or am I just too picky? The SO socket is obviously problematic...
 

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Before I rip into TC on the phone tomorrow, do you all agree that the hammer is defective? Or am I just too picky? The SO socket is obviously problematic...

I need to know more about the construction. I asume there is a metal core? Could the plastic shatter since it appears to be compromised? Maybe.
 

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Every company has defects. I definetely don't like it and I get irritated when I buy a new tool only to find it wasn't made to the top quality standards that I expect.

SK is pretty bad sk farmer, I actually bought some wrenches that had deep, sharp cracks in the chrome.

i have never disputed that fact on current qc. my issue is that despite having some qc issues they still make a lot of stuff that is damn good. everyone wants to throw one of the last independant tool mfgs in america under the bus. imop some of their worst stuff is still better than most cman stuff. i have scoured the racks at several differant locations and i honestly have seen very few problems. as good as 5 years ago and older, no. better than a year or so ago, yes. one store has only carried the line for a couple years so all they have is new stock. the shelves are a litle bare but my 2 local stores claim to be getting inventory more frequently as of late.
 

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Before I rip into TC on the phone tomorrow, do you all agree that the hammer is defective? Or am I just too picky? The SO socket is obviously problematic...

i have stanley dead blows that i beleive come from the same mfg. they do not look like that. i see issues on yours.


t100, i have seen that thread, i knew how he got them. i just meant i cannot explain how or why it happened.
 
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I just bought my first set of Snap On (used) combos last week.

I finally drank the coolaide. lol

I still have not bought my first (complete) set of Snap On wrench, new or used. my coolaide will have to wait.
 

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bs. merk went on for days about his wrench being broached offset. many other have talked about warranty issues. i also believe cman has a far worse qc program.

I'm still bitching about that wrench; it should have never made it out the door. I expect ZERO defects from Snap-on tools. If I'm paying the high price for perfection, I want perfection!!
 

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<----waiting for Dustin19 to chime in, every other post he makes is about SK and how he wont buy anything else but SK.

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We must put Mastercool on the list! I will up some photos later. What makes me mad is they say there is no problem and never answered my warranty clam. To there defense they mite be behind do to the holidays but I have to send it beck for refund this week.
 

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No way in hell I would accept hammers of that quality. If I was ok with ones that looked like hammered dogshit, I would just go to HF, at least the price is right for it. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if HF hammers were built better than that...

I have yet to have an estwing hammer disappoint me.
 

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Socket not broached. Socket marked 3/1 which wanted to be a 3/16". Both sockets are Challenger.

Adam on the Craftsman message board has a lot of weird stuff. Since he works at Sears he gets to see what he calls the "error" tools. Socket that does not have the square hole for a ratchet. Dual marked socket stamped with one size and laser etched with another. Screwdriver with 2 blades stuck in the handle. Screwdriver with the blade in backwards. And so on.
 

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sk farmer,

I know that I have posted on the other thread about the warranty issues that I have a problem with but to give them their fair praise, I have purchased a little over $5,000 of SK tools in the past 18 months filling out spares for my box and building out my a future son-in-laws box. I have had a problem with just a couple of items (wrong wrench in a set, missing socket, etc.) but overall, the chrome was nice, the wrenches, sockets and screwdrivers looked good and the ratcheting splined boxed end wrenches wound up staying in my box instead of going into his:).

I still think they are a good value and will still buy them if the price is right as I consider them a step up from Craftsman. If something breaks, it will just get replaced with a Snap-on, Matco or Mac. I have been buying SK tools since the early 70’s and they have always served me well for what they cost. Are they Snap-on? No. They don’t cost nearly as much either. They are good solid tools for the money, are American made and, despite the fact that the company is in trouble right now, still a good deal for the average weekend warrior or as a backup for a pro.

My only problem with them is the new warranty program, as I don’t have a local dealer. That is why several of us wait until we have a box with 10 or 12 items in it and send them at one time to save on postage. If they charged $5.00 per “shipment” or on a sliding scale depending upon the cost of the original item, most of us would understand and not have a problem with it.

Yes, Snap-on will send them back without charge but then again, they cost at least 3 times what my SK tools cost. They can afford a LOT of postage for that difference in initial cost. And in case you’re wondering, my Snap-on guy is also very happy with me this year. He has also benefited from my buying spree more so than SK. I have been replacing a lot of my tools and adding in spares. With two daughters, filling out a nice toolbox for the son-in-laws is just considered a “dowry” and insures that they will keep their paws out of my boxes.
 

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That is why sometimes I really like buying things from Mike Wren selling toptul, because he should be the final stop for quality and I am curious if anyone has got something he missed? Just like buying off a truck they should check everything they stock and get it before they sell it to you. That is part of owning a business, checking the quality of the products you sell. Snap on or at the very least the person who boxed it should have checked the quality one last time? Do companies not have checks and balances? Maybe they do but since they can't speak english no one understands them anyways.... :lol_hitti
 
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