Electrolysis resto of a morgan vise(lots of pics)

06wt · Apr 14, 2010

heres the morgan 50 wen i got it, i used 2 power supplys from computers as the DC source, if anyone has questions on electrolysis just post ur question so everyone can see it. as for now im assuming most on here know about electrolysis rust removal.

after sum wire brush

06wt · Apr 14, 2010

heres the dynamic jaw after electrolysis bath

and the static jaw before and during gun blueing, i gun blued the whole thing but i only took pics of progress on the static jaw

heres the handle during blueing and held up to bare oiled steel to show the contrast

chevyboy91188 · Apr 14, 2010

I dont! lol and it has intrigued my little engineering mind! how is it done?

06wt · Apr 14, 2010

and the finished product, tomorrow im going to make jaws

jjarrell4 · Apr 14, 2010

Damn......................

06wt · Apr 14, 2010

chevyboy91188 said:
I dont! lol and it has intrigued my little engineering mind! how is it done?

ill give ya a quik explanation, but google electrolysis rust removal and u will have all the info you want, but basicly u use DC power, the part being cleaned is -/black/ground/cathode and a piece of steel u use as an anode is +/red/hot/anode
wat u want is low voltage high amperage, thats y i use computer power supplys cuz i can use the 5 volt wires and get 30 amps
as the electrons flow from ur work to the anode they pull all the rust off as the flow out of the work, leaving ur work clean and not removing any good metal.

when u take ur work out of the eectrolysis bath it will be covered in black oxide just like industrial tools, use a scuff pad to remove the oxide and u have clean shinny steel underneath

mjozefow · Apr 14, 2010

Works great doesn't it?

Good to see these beauties being restored. Good on ya man. And great work!

chevyboy91188 · Apr 14, 2010

ahh i see, makes complete sense I never thought about that I am going to have to try that now on my coil springs that are really rusted

mjozefow · Apr 14, 2010

Painting it? Paste wax?

06wt · Apr 14, 2010

just gun blue and oil, it will look just like it does now for years to come, just rubbing it down with oil every once and a while

KCarGuy · Apr 14, 2010

Great Job! I am amazed at the before and after photos.

I have a Morgan Chicago 40 and I have been using it for over 25 years...Its a great vise!

Mine is painted Chevy Orange, but I do love that natural look!

Stuart in MN · Apr 14, 2010

06wt said:
just gun blue and oil, it will look just like it does now for years to come, just rubbing it down with oil every once and a while

I really like gun blue for this sort of thing, I've used it on a number of items myself with good results.

06wt · Apr 14, 2010

heres a nice b4 and after pic

mjozefow · Apr 14, 2010

Making new jaw pads?

06wt · Apr 14, 2010

yeah thats tomorrows project, im gunna make a set out of hardened bar stock and a set out of aluminum

Rocket1 · Apr 14, 2010

Wow that's awesome. I have to try this on a few parts on my 442

06wt · Apr 14, 2010

its good for fragile parts and parts you dont want to remove alot of metal from, also good cuz u can set it up and leave it alone while you do sumthing else

selohssa · Apr 15, 2010

That vise looks great.

Nealcrenshaw · Apr 15, 2010

vERY NICE!!

Fudge · Apr 15, 2010

Great job. I'm really liking the blueing.

Even 11 · Apr 15, 2010

Noice!!!! I gotta get an old vice, suddenly my newish wilton and mini columbian is nowhere near as cool!!

-Dane

jam022316 · Apr 15, 2010

Man that's awesome. I didn't know that was possible. I'll really be doing some research on that now that I see how well yours turned out!!

old salvage · Apr 15, 2010

Nice, cant wait to see it with jaws installed.

mjozefow · Apr 15, 2010

Have fun getting the pad off the dynamic jaw!

Looks like it is on there GOOD!

And again, nice work.

06wt · Apr 15, 2010

yeah the jaw was so abused that there was material smashed over the screws, so i just drilled them out and ill use new hex head harware , didnt get to makin the jaws today, mayb tomorrow, i did get the material to make them though

mkirkpatrick · Apr 16, 2010

That's cool, can't find old vises like that around here, they all want an arm and a leg for them. Nice work

06wt · Apr 19, 2010

the aluminum jaws r made, but not done yet, i still have to find hardware that i like and finish drilling them but heres wat i have so far

Salem747 · Apr 19, 2010

What did you use for an electolyte? Just table salty water?

Adam McLaughlin · Apr 19, 2010

THAT is a vise that anyone would be proud to own. Good Job!

Adam

red92s · Apr 19, 2010

Salem747 said:
What did you use for an electolyte? Just table salty water?

Baking soda in water most likely.

mjozefow · Apr 19, 2010

red92s said:
Baking soda in water most likely.

WASHING soda. pH buffer for a pool works too. Same stuff. Sodium Carbonate is what you need.

06wt · Apr 19, 2010

i use potassium hydroxide(koh) works the best and the fastest, but sodium hydroxide(lye), sodium carbonate(baking soda), sodium bicarbonate (washing soda), will all work, any alkaline solution will work

mjozefow · Apr 20, 2010

I was under the impression baking soda would not work. Go figure. I like washing soda due to it's mild nature. Lye works well too.

LoneGunman · Apr 20, 2010

I'm sure some of you are aware of this but some of you may not. Do this in an open garage or someplace with ventilation, hydrogen is formed as part of the process. Sodium hydroxide (lye) is nasty stuff, wear a face shield. ALWAYS add the sodium hydroxide to the water and beware of the exothermic reaction when you do. The amount of sodium hydroxide used in electrocleaning is usually not enough to get the water too hot upon mixing, if someone decides they want a strong cleaner and dumps a bunch of sodium hydroxide in the water the water can boil from the exothermic reaction, I KNOW it can happen as I have done it

Do not use stainless steel as your anode as recommended on some forums, doing so contaminates the solution with hexavalent chrome which leaves you with no legal way to dispose of the solution, the feds don't play when it comes to hexavalent chrome.

Professur · Apr 20, 2010

A 6' kiddie pool works well for this sort of thing. Or one of those plastic sand boxes that have a cover and look like a giant bug. The sand box is good if you're going to keep the soda mixture for repeated use. Naturally you don't want to do this covered tho. The gases given off aren't fun. But you really need to make sure the kids know not to go swimming in 'your' pool. The sand box again is a good one, since you can attach hasps to secure it.

red92s · Apr 20, 2010

mjozefow said:
I was under the impression baking soda would not work. Go figure. I like washing soda due to it's mild nature. Lye works well too.

Regular ole Arm & Hammer baking soda in the yellow box works just fine, is cheap, and easy to find in any area of the country. Maybe not as potent as other choices, but you can dump it right into the grass when you are done.

06wt · Apr 20, 2010

hexavalent chromium is produced during electrolysis when using a stainless anode. there is no real benifit to using stainless steel anode for rust removal, but thoose who are making hho generators ita big plus cuz the anode lasts alot longer, but if you want to use
stainless as an anode you will produce hexavalent chromium, disposal of the solution can be done at home. you need to lower the ph of the solution by diluting it with water, at ph levels of 2-3, you add 3lbs of sodium metabisulphite for every 1lb of hexavalent chromium, this will create an inert solution that can be safely disposed

but as tool guys de-rusting tools there is no need for stainless anodes, plain mild steel works just as good, but the more surface area the better on the anode side, the electrons will flow in the path of least resistance so you have to surround your work with anode/anodes

autopts71045 · Apr 24, 2010

Hi, I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but there is a good chance replacement jaws are still available for your Morgan from Milwaukee Tool Co. When you call, your call goes right into the factory and they will want dementions. They even sent me a catalog with price sheet. They are nice to deal with.

arkangel06 · Apr 24, 2010

nice job so far!!!

Are you going to paint it?

06wt · Apr 24, 2010

autopts71045 said:
Hi, I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but there is a good chance replacement jaws are still available for your Morgan from Milwaukee Tool Co. When you call, your call goes right into the factory and they will want dementions. They even sent me a catalog with price sheet. They are nice to deal with.

they did come up when i was searchin, but i havent called them yet i will, what # did you use to contact the factory?

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