Hazet ratchets ?

AutomatiquE · May 9, 2010

Hello ! I recently noticed that Hazet ratchets with bi-colors handles (blue/black) are no longer branded "Germany". Even the steel part of the ratchet doesn't say anything. In comparaison, the Gedore ratchets are still branded "Germany". So what's going on with hazet :headscrat

? Is it possible that the plastic handle is not made in their plant but outsourced ? Please tell me what you know about that. Regards.
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Monte · May 9, 2010

which ratchet model number ?

Hazet fine tooth ratchets . 1/4" dont say germany because i guess the handle is too long . No space.

Here from the recent 2010/11 promo catalog. 1/4" ratchets. In the upper right corner you see the "Made in germany - Deutsches Werkzeug" symbol which is illegal to display if it ain`t so.

if you click here and supersize the pics you will see "Germany": click and click or here you can see the "Made in germany" symbol click and click

So I`m pretty sure that the Hazet ratchets are made here.

billymade · May 9, 2010

This video shows the Hazet ratchets being made in Germany; from start to finish!

http://www.hazet.de/fileadmin/media/download/hazet_filme/02_film_gallileo/

Merkava_4 · May 9, 2010

The next time someone asks me where I'm from, I'm gonna say: "In this global economy, it's none of your business!!" :spit:

MarcSeattle · May 9, 2010

Does anyone have the Hazet bitdriver? Is it better than the Wera bitdriver? It would be difficult to find either one here in the U.S.

AutomatiquE · May 10, 2010

@ Monte : I've got the 916SP ratchet, it says : "chrom HAZET 916SP vanadium". There's no "Germany" as you can find on the 916F, 8816F.

@Billymade : Thanks for the video, never seen it. It's pretty interresting but i noticed that the ratchets presented are the older one, with the black handle (with "Germany" on it).

Monte · May 10, 2010

I don`t know , the best is to call the customer service and ask them:

HAZET-WERK Succursale France
Z.A. du Valparc - BP 11
F-68440 Habsheim

Contact: Mr. Jean ZANIN

Telefon: +33 (0) 3 89 44 13 3
Fax: +33 (0) 3 89 63 72 8

ps: here are more Hazet videos: tool videos and manufacturing videos etc.

I think because of the handle change the "germany" which was printed on the handle is now missing. Because the stamp to stamp the name etc. seems to be the same, otherwise they must add the "germany" but then you need a new stamp . Also there is no place it seems, or you would have stamp the "germany" on the other side which is more time consuming to flip the ratchet and stamp again. But the best is to Call the french telefon number and ask.

AutomatiquE · May 10, 2010

I just called Mr Zanin. He confirmed me that this ratchet is German made but he doesn't know why the "Germany " stamp disapeared from the handle. Probably, as Monte said, because of lack of place.

andre_saltiva · Sep 24, 2013

AutomatiquE said:
I just called Mr Zanin. He confirmed me that this ratchet is German made but he doesn't know why the "Germany " stamp disapeared from the handle. Probably, as Monte said, because of lack of place.

i dont think so
since the 916 k has Germany stamp on it, which is the short version of 916 sp.
it is making non sense if the short version have available space to stamp and the standard version haven't enough space available to stamp.

ups,,,
sorry i dont read it is an old thread
my bad

Alfajuj · Sep 24, 2013

I found the perfect solution:
My 916SP had the two component blue handle. So I bought an old stock black replacement handle (which has "Germany" printed on it).
And Voila! Now it says Germany :beer:

andre_saltiva · Sep 24, 2013

Alfajuj said:
I found the perfect solution:
My 916SP had the two component blue handle. So I bought an old stock black replacement handle (which has "Germany" printed on it).
And Voila! Now it says Germany

lol

nice idea

jensputzier · Sep 25, 2013

AutomatiquE said:
Hello ! I recently noticed that Hazet ratchets with bi-colors handles (blue/black) are no longer branded "Germany". Even the steel part of the ratchet doesn't say anything. In comparaison, the Gedore ratchets are still branded "Germany". So what's going on with hazet ? Is it possible that the plastic handle is not made in their plant but outsourced ? Please tell me what you know about that. Regards.
A.

All the Hazet ratchets are Made in Germany and everyone is welcome to visit the production here with me when you are in the area. The 916 ratchets I grabbed yesterday all say Germany and I might need to look at all of my stock to make sure.

andre_saltiva · Sep 26, 2013

jensputzier said:
All the Hazet ratchets are Made in Germany and everyone is welcome to visit the production here with me when you are in the area. The 916 ratchets I grabbed yesterday all say Germany and I might need to look at all of my stock to make sure.

interesting how Alfajuj , AutomatiquE ,had no stamp "Germany".
-Are they forgot to stamp it?
i don't think so, that is put a shame for a reputable company if they just forgot.
-no enough space?
It just non sense if they designer do not accurate calculated it
-wishy washy ?
#@%%#@#?

the only possible think that seems come to my mind is the blue black body is a re-new from the old stock black handle, since the black handle stamp on the grip,once they remove the grip and change to the new design grip blue black ( which is always stamp on the body ) this issue has come up

clean the old stock from the warehouse, lower cost production, wualaa its a brand new blue black line up :rocker:

just my two cent

Alfajuj · Sep 26, 2013

Yes, all the old black handle socket handles had "Germany" printed on the black grip. At the time, they must have thought it was redundant to also stamp "Made in Germany" in the steel.
When they switched to the new blue/black grip, the "Germany" disappeared. Oops! :wtf:

Apparently, Hazet realized this mistake and at some point started to stamp "Germany" into the steel again. My ratchet is one of the transitional ones which does not have "Germany" stamped in. I bought it in 2005, I think.
Rest assured, they are still made in Germany.

@Jens, is it true that the current models of 916SP Have Germany stamped in the steel?

This reminds me of the storm of controversy when Snap-On failed to label their F80 ratchets "Made in USA"
I never did figure out whether they really were outsourced to a lower cost country (part of some conspiracy I guess) or if they just forgot.

jensputzier · Sep 26, 2013

andre_saltiva said:
the only possible think that seems come to my mind is the blue black body is a re-new from the old stock black handle, since the black handle stamp on the grip,once they remove the grip and change to the new design grip blue black ( which is always stamp on the body ) this issue has come up

clean the old stock from the warehouse, lower cost production, wualaa its a brand new blue black line up

just my two cent

No, that's not what they do ;-) I just recently bought all the old 8811 speeders with black handles. They even have Made in West Germany stamped on them. Now go and have a look at your history books ;-)

andre_saltiva · Sep 26, 2013

jensputzier said:
No, that's not what they do ;-) I just recently bought all the old 8811 speeders with black handles. They even have Made in West Germany stamped on them. Now go and have a look at your history books ;-)

so, if you know what they dont, you must be know what they do about this "stamp" fenomena

sorry to bothering you with many question, since there is no hazet seller in my area and you're the only one hazet seller who willing to answer any question :bowdown:

jensputzier · Sep 27, 2013

Honestly I would say that there is no plan to it. Imagine that we live in Germany and buying something made in Germany is no big thing. So I would imagine that Hazet just did not think about it very much. Design changes are made and maybe the MiG stamp was more or less forgotten in between and then someone noticed and the put it on again. I have visited the production several times and you can trust me that the wrenches are designed and manufactured by Hazet right here. I have the list of all Hazet items COO and this is absolutely binding for export regulations, so you can trust that.

andre_saltiva · Sep 28, 2013

jensputzier said:
Honestly I would say that there is no plan to it. Imagine that we live in Germany and buying something made in Germany is no big thing. So I would imagine that Hazet just did not think about it very much. Design changes are made and maybe the MiG stamp was more or less forgotten in between and then someone noticed and the put it on again. I have visited the production several times and you can trust me that the wrenches are designed and manufactured by Hazet right here. I have the list of all Hazet items COO and this is absolutely binding for export regulations, so you can trust that.

i didn't say that i don't trust you, neither do hazet. I just find it interesting

last question
Key words are BOLDED above
just like alfajuj and me curious about : so finally they have fix it ? no more this missing stamp on the new 916sp/916L ?
Glad to hear that

jensputzier · Sep 29, 2013

Of the 1/4" ratchets only the 863Q and 863F do not say made in Germany or Germany. With the other ones Germany or Made in Germany is stamped or laser etched.

Of the 3/8" ratchets all say Made in Germany or Germany

Upload of the as crappy 1/2" iPhone pic doesn't work, but they all say Germany as well. I have two old black handle 916SP in stock and there Germany is only printed on the black handle.

billymade · Sep 29, 2013

jensputzier, so, tell us why a German company like Hazet (and many other German tools companies); continue to make old style ratchet head designs and do not upgrade them. My sense; has been that they have a "if its not broken; don't fix it" mentality and rely on traditional designs, over "new technology" many times (e.g. sealed heads, high tooth counts, revised ergonomics, head designs, etc.). What is your take on the situation? I find it interesting; at this present time, that Hazet still has non sealed heads and low number tooth counts; you would think they would have updated their ratchets across their tool line by now. What say you?

Alfajuj · Sep 30, 2013

Call me eccentric, but I actually prefer traditional things.

I wish Hazet had kept things the same from 20 and more years ago. The ergonomics were not lacking in any way compared with today's tools.

I wish Mercedes were like they used to be 30 and more years ago, too! Built to last without a bunch of gizmos.

Sealed ratchets aren't so great anyway. I just cleaned a bunch of rust out of a second hand Snap-On sealed ratchet I bought.

You're supposed to clean and lubricate your ratchet now and again-and anyway, it's not like it spins at 20,000 rpms or something.

I think the basic design of the ratchet was pretty much perfected in the 1930's by Plomb and Snap-On. I find it very reassuring that Hazet does not jump on any bandwagons.

Many of the really flashy trick tools are actually made in China anyway.

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