My Old garage pic's....and my new garage pics

ol55 · Jan 5, 2007

I am in the process of building a new garage

, but before I post pic's of it, I thought I would post some pic's of my last (2nd) garage. Someday I will get some of my old photo's scanned into the PC and then maybe I can show some pic's of my first garage. I have been having garage parties for my hot rod buddies in early spring for years now. That's what the inside pics are from..........

I figured I would add this old picture of my garage at my first house. The picture looks old but it is really from the late 80's.[/B]

Here's my second garage...........

ol55 · Jan 5, 2007

more pics, of the garage party....

ol55 · Jan 5, 2007

Here's some pictures of the new garage going up.....

It's a 48x30 pole building. I needed a garage quick for all my stuff from the old garage. The new house didn't have one and this was the quickest way to get er done.

BuickFarmer · Jan 5, 2007

Very nice. Not too big, not too small. I can see the reason for the floor heating. Now wouldn't some yellow flames look good in the bottom red part like coming out of the ground. Congratulations!!

cncjerry · Jan 5, 2007

Mmmm pizza the staple of the garage gourmet.

Nice garages.

T1704 · Jan 5, 2007

Nice work. How about some pics of the inside once it's done.

ol55 · Jan 5, 2007

T1704 said:
Nice work. How about some pics of the inside once it's done.

Here are some shots of the inside. I just can't seem to keep the junk from piling up inside before I get to finishing the walls............

ol55 · Jan 5, 2007

Here's a few more interior shots at night. They are a little blurry, sorry......

PAToyota · Jan 6, 2007

ol55 said:
Here are some shots of the inside. I just can't seem to keep the junk from piling up inside before I get to finishing the walls............

Since you're close, I'd be willing to come down and get some of that "junk" out of the way for you... :bounce:

Pretty cool looking shop and contents! :thumbup:

cncjerry · Jan 6, 2007

A little off topic but were did you get those string lights I've been looking for something like that for my covered deck.

C_F · Jan 6, 2007

Looks like it's well on it's way to being a nice cozy garage like your other ones. Cool car collection too. :thumbup:

ol55 · Jan 6, 2007

PAToyota said:
Since you're close, I'd be willing to come down and get some of that "junk" out of the way for you...

Pretty cool looking shop and contents!

No, not that junk, the other junk!!

It just keeps getting worse. I am getting some insulation up but then my son drags home this project to clutter up the joint!

ol55 · Jan 6, 2007

cncjerry said:
A little off topic but were did you get those string lights I've been looking for something like that for my covered deck.

My wife got those for me to hang up for my "garage warming" party as I had no electric yet and I needed something for quick lighting from an extension cord. I think she got them at Wal Mart and some at Target. I think they are seasonal (summer) so they should be coming around again soon....

ol55 · Jan 6, 2007

C_F said:
Looks like it's well on it's way to being a nice cozy garage like your other ones. Cool car collection too.

Thanks for the kind words. Its been an ongoing process, hell, the last garage wasn't even finished when I sold that place, but at least it had a bathroon. That is also in the plans for the new one. All in good time. With any luck, maybe I'll get this place done by the time I retire (at least 10 years). I'll post new pic's as progress allows......

car-nut · Jan 7, 2007

Great looking shop. Love all the contents. I'm not sure which one of your cars I want to "borrow" more,the 40 or the 55.

Maybe I will see you at York.
Yes I am a hamber.

ol55 · Jan 19, 2007

car-nut said:
Great looking shop. Love all the contents. I'm not sure which one of your cars I want to "borrow" more,the 40 or the 55.

Maybe I will see you at York.
Yes I am a hamber.

Thanks, I will be there (York).

KingPerformance · Jan 19, 2007

Nice garage! Something for me to aspire to.

arkracing · Jan 19, 2007

Stupid question - how does your set up do with the radiant heat and no insulation on the walls? or are you planing on installing insulation on the walls?

THX_138 · Jan 19, 2007

So you are allowed to just poke some PT wood into the ground in Md. and build....?????? No foundation, no footings nothing? I know it's a "pole barn", but still... Md. must be VERY lax with their building codes... you'd never get away with anything like that here in Ma. How deep and big around were the holes for the uprights?

I know PT is "supposed to" have a long life.... but what is it's life span buried in damp ground in contact with concrete? ( does the "lifetime warranty" still apply in that situation...isn't that only lifetime for above ground use? ) Seems like an awfully beautiful garage to only have a structural life of 20-30 years or LESS???

kbs2244 · Jan 19, 2007

The pole barn concept is completly different than a floating slab, or a perimiter type foundation. And they last just fine. They have been building the square post, metal sided ones since the 1960's at least. That was when I helped my uncle put up his. I have seen recycled power pole buildings with wood siding that are at least 75 years old, maybe 100.
The poles go down below the frost line and get their vertical support from the friction against the dirt that is packed into the hole around them.
Think of the phone pole in your yard. It dosn't have the protection at the top from the rain and they space them a lot further apart. Yet they last pretty long.
Check your local zoning guy. I would expect the construction is legal in MA. Most of the complaints I have heard about them is about their looks, not structual. And they can be made to look nice. This one sure was.

Raven1911 · Jan 20, 2007

How did you finish your floor??

89lesabre · Jan 20, 2007

ol55 said:
Here are some shots of the inside. I just can't seem to keep the junk from piling up inside before I get to finishing the walls............

Of all the "junk", I like the high tech TV Stand!!! :thumbup:

THX_138 · Jan 20, 2007

kbs2244 said:
The pole barn concept is completly different than a floating slab, or a perimiter type foundation. And they last just fine. They have been building the square post, metal sided ones since the 1960's at least. That was when I helped my uncle put up his. I have seen recycled power pole buildings with wood siding that are at least 75 years old, maybe 100.
The poles go down below the frost line and get their vertical support from the friction against the dirt that is packed into the hole around them.
Think of the phone pole in your yard. It dosn't have the protection at the top from the rain and they space them a lot further apart. Yet they last pretty long.
Check your local zoning guy. I would expect the construction is legal in MA. Most of the complaints I have heard about them is about their looks, not structual. And they can be made to look nice. This one sure was.

Power poles are treated/protected MUCH differently then lumber sold for public use and handling...and even at that.... have you ever pulled a 20-30 year old power pole out of the ground...they aren't of much use or "structural" strength by then, even with their heavy industrial chemical treatment they are weak. Plus you're talking about 10-12" diameter heartwood handpicked poles/trees , compared to the section cut PT 4"x4"'s they used.

Besides.... he used regular PT wood set in concrete....biggggg difference. Wood...even PT wood has a different reaction when set in concrete over time then if it was just tamped/packed with fill. Honestly I don't care if he built it with cardboard and styrafoam..it's still a beautiful garage! Using the PT in the ground with cement was his call...

OH..BTW... I ain't your "GUY".... and Ma. doesn't allow PT 4x4's in the ground...cement/packed or otherwise as a support to a permanant structure. Code requires footings..(even if it's a tube)..footings of poured concrete ( double the area/diameter of what it is supporting....required to be below frost (48"'s) and 10"'s above grade with lag bolts set in concrete with some type of fastening system to the lag. But anyway...my question was for the gentleman in MD. , probably why you had problems answering it. but thanks for your opinion...very helpful!

ol55 · Jan 23, 2007

Arkracing: Yes I am planning on insulating the walls. I have not even got my heating plant yet but the tubes had to go in before the cement so now I'm saving up for the heating.......

THX-138 : Yes, its legal to erect pole buildings in Md. in this fashion. They use 6x6's, not 4x4's. I don't know about any warranty except on the outside metal. My father has had one of these buildings for about 35 years and so far, so good. If it gives me 25 or 30 years, then it will be my sons problem to deal with if the time comes for repairs. My last garage was stick built with a footer and foundation etc. I went with the pole building this time because I needed a building quick.

Raven 1911: I sealed the floor with regular concrete sealer, I don't remember the brand, but it was supposed to be good stuff. It did keep it a dark color for almost a year, and they tell me that's good for curing purposes. Not sure how true that is, but if I had it to do again, I would go an epoxy route as this stuff appears as if its going to peel in some spots already.

89lesabre: Ya like my TV stand, huh?

That was a quick fix for my garage warming party. Needed something to watch drag racing and hot rod videos on.

kbs2244: Thanks for the complement on my building and explaining pole building construction to THX138 in my absence. I thought this thread was dead so I haven't looked in on it in a while.....

thammel · Jan 23, 2007

Hey ol55,

I'm a fellow Marylander and have a good buddy who lives in Glen Arm on Ponderosa Lane. I'm in White Hall, having moved there from Phoenix to Monkton. I had my dream 36 x 32 garage in Monkton but had to move (divorce) and now just have a tiny 20 x 20 attached to the house. My plan is to build a 30 x 28 or something of that size and use half the current garage as a shed for all the yard stuff. I love this forum! The new garage (thinking in 2008) will be insulated, heated, with a loft using attic trusses, etc. I'll probably go with 12 foot ceilings for a future lift. The big challenge will be to get the drawings all done so the HOA will approve it. My plan is to attach the new one to the house via an extension, so I think it'll look first class. Fun stuff!!

Tom

kbs2244 · Jan 23, 2007

Well, I don't know if I should respond or not!
I guess we all should be glad you seem to know your local building code.
Shareing is what it is all about.
BTW, the "guy" I was refering to was the one working at the zoning department.
If I had intended to mean you, I would have inserted a comma.

THX_138 · Jan 23, 2007

kbs2244 said:
Well, I don't know if I should respond or not!
I guess we all should be glad you seem to know your local building code.
Shareing is what it is all about.
BTW, the "guy" I was refering to was the one working at the zoning department.
If I had intended to mean you, I would have inserted a comma.

Well thanks for the grammar lesson...my apologies.
It's got nothing to do with what I know about anything... I only had a simple question about building codes down in Md.... I have a cousin that moved down there years ago and makes his living as private contractor (house construction)... was more curious then anything. If it's ended up being some loophole or OK thing to do by code... I was gonna give him a call and see if he knew about it, and reccomend that he tries putting up a few... seems it would be something popular and fairly cheap to construct, compared to full frost line supported construction like him and I are used to.

I was really expecting to hear from ol55 on it... you jumping in kinda threw me off.

Again, my apologies. I was hoping to hear the scoop from ol55

kbs2244 · Jan 23, 2007

Accepted, and no hard feelings.
Construction in a country as big as the USA has a lot of things different by region. And a whole lot of tradition in each region.
I am in the middle of the mid-west, and I scratch my head in wonder at some of the 100 plus year old buildings I have seen around the country.
Some of them wouldn't last 20 years around here, but are in regular use in their area.
As an example, in our area copper pipe is the way to go. Anything else is a real project to get by an inspector. But I just got back from FL after doing some patching of copper with plastic PEX pipe. And I am looking at a complete re-piping job.
Why? The city put in a reverse osmoses water treatment system. They sold the bond issue by claiming it was the best thing since toliet paper. They failed to mention that the water it puts out eats copper plumbing. The local plumbing contractor told me he is booked to to a whole house re-piping job a week, for as long as his calender lasts.
A few miles can be a whole different world.

ol55 · Jan 24, 2007

THX_138 said:
Well thanks for the grammar lesson...my apologies.
It's got nothing to do with what I know about anything... I only had a simple question about building codes down in Md.... I have a cousin that moved down there years ago and makes his living as private contractor (house construction)... was more curious then anything. If it's ended up being some loophole or OK thing to do by code... I was gonna give him a call and see if he knew about it, and reccomend that he tries putting up a few... seems it would be something popular and fairly cheap to construct, compared to full frost line supported construction like him and I are used to.

I was really expecting to hear from ol55 on it... you jumping in kinda threw me off.

Again, my apologies. I was hoping to hear the scoop from ol55

Did you read my response (above) when I answered several people at once? I hope it answers your question. I'm off to California today, but if you have any more questions, I'll get back to you next week....

ol55 · Jan 24, 2007

kbs2244 said:
Accepted, and no hard feelings.
Construction in a country as big as the USA has a lot of things different by region. And a whole lot of tradition in each region.
I am in the middle of the mid-west, and I scratch my head in wonder at some of the 100 plus year old buildings I have seen around the country.
Some of them wouldn't last 20 years around here, but are in regular use in their area.
As an example, in our area copper pipe is the way to go. Anything else is a real project to get by an inspector. But I just got back from FL after doing some patching of copper with plastic PEX pipe. And I am looking at a complete re-piping job.
Why? The city put in a reverse osmoses water treatment system. They sold the bond issue by claiming it was the best thing since toliet paper. They failed to mention that the water it puts out eats copper plumbing. The local plumbing contractor told me he is booked to to a whole house re-piping job a week, for as long as his calender lasts.
A few miles can be a whole different world.

We had the same problem here with the copper. Used to be code in Md. but with the acidic properties in our well water, it was eating holes in it, so now we can use PVC also...........

ol55 · Jan 24, 2007

thammel said:
Hey ol55,

I'm a fellow Marylander and have a good buddy who lives in Glen Arm on Ponderosa Lane. I'm in White Hall, having moved there from Phoenix to Monkton. I had my dream 36 x 32 garage in Monkton but had to move (divorce) and now just have a tiny 20 x 20 attached to the house. My plan is to build a 30 x 28 or something of that size and use half the current garage as a shed for all the yard stuff. I love this forum! The new garage (thinking in 2008) will be insulated, heated, with a loft using attic trusses, etc. I'll probably go with 12 foot ceilings for a future lift. The big challenge will be to get the drawings all done so the HOA will approve it. My plan is to attach the new one to the house via an extension, so I think it'll look first class. Fun stuff!!

Tom

Not sure I know where Ponderosa Ln is, I'll have to find it. Sorry to hear about losing the dream garage in the divorce. I too am divorced but it turned out for the best for me. I now have my dream garage and a wonderful new wife to boot.

Good luck on your new project, I hate those damn HOA!

thammel · Jan 24, 2007

Hey Ol55,

Ponderosa lane is just off Long Green Pike south (or West) of Manor Rd. I think I have that right. Yep, I'm better off now too - a wonderful wife, and the better garage will be coming. Yeah, the HOA is a pain in the **** but hopefully will preserve home values here. I have another good buddy who lives on Manor Rd between Morgan Mill and the bottom of the hill. He knows someone in the area who he's been helping redo Morgans and who has a ton of vehicles of all kinds (mostly sports and exotics) that he's always working on.

I don't know about all the other guys on here, but my regular job sure gets in the way of having fun! I think they should pay us to restore cars - and pay us at least a 6 figure income to boot!

Tom

ol55 · Mar 31, 2007

My on going garage build continues, but I had to take time out for my annual garage party. I have some of my hot rod buddies over to welcome spring and eat all the wrong foods and just generally bull **** about how it used to be......

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ol55 · Mar 31, 2007

Here's some inside shots as the festivities moved indoors....

Canadian Charlie · Mar 31, 2007

Thats an awsome garage you have with friends who really have taste in thier automobiles

Why wasn't I invited?

wilbilt · Mar 31, 2007

That's a nice building. I am considering something very similar here in a 30x40.
Pole buildings go up around here all the time as "Ag exempt buildings", but the county is pushing to include them in the permitting process.

How tall are your walls? I'm sorry if it was already mentioned and I missed it. I need to go high enough to install my 4-post lift.

Is that rigid foam insulation between the girts and on the ceiling? Do you need to cover it with something fireproof?

V-10 Killer · Mar 31, 2007

That is an awesome garage.
I really like the red roof/trim and cupola up top. Keeps it from looking like every run of the mill pole building you see. The interior is sweet, I need to get some of those metal signs for decoration now too.

ol55 · Apr 3, 2007

wilbilt said:
That's a nice building. I am considering something very similar here in a 30x40.
Pole buildings go up around here all the time as "Ag exempt buildings", but the county is pushing to include them in the permitting process.

How tall are your walls? I'm sorry if it was already mentioned and I missed it. I need to go high enough to install my 4-post lift.

Is that rigid foam insulation between the girts and on the ceiling? Do you need to cover it with something fireproof?

The building is 48x30 with 12 foot ceiling. I am planning to install a lift when I get the funds. It is rigid foam that I get from work. They get shipments of blood and they use the foam in a box with dry ice to make a cooler. the foam gets tossed so I've been dragging it home and putting it in my walls. Its a little over two inches thick. I have no idea what the R value is.....I will be covering it with drywall in the future.

ol55 · Apr 3, 2007

V-10 Killer said:
That is an awesome garage.
I really like the red roof/trim and cupola up top. Keeps it from looking like every run of the mill pole building you see. The interior is sweet, I need to get some of those metal signs for decoration now too.

Thanks. I went out of my way to dress it up a bit as most pole buildings can be rather industrial looking. The wainscoating (sp?) and big trim and overhanging gables go a long way in improving the look......

cyclopsblown34 · Apr 3, 2007

Looks awesome man, any pics of the 55?

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