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'Modern' Generations of Snap-on Driver Handles

This thread has morphed into an attempt to create a timeline for 'modern' Snap-on handles, so I'm moving this information to the top. Your help is solicited to nail down dates. If you see errors or can add detail please post! Thanks!

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Early Octogrip. 1939-1946. Pyralin, with what looks like a clear section near the bolster. See here.

Later OctoGrip. 1948-1960. All black, the "classic" eight sided screwdriver handle. See here.

Par-V. Snap-on's economy drivers from the 1940s and 1950s. Translucent fluted amber handle.

Contour Grip (aka "1st Gen 4 side"). 1962-c.1988 (ends 1970 according to Collecting Snap-on website, but Contour Grip still dominates in 1988 catalogs, so we believe the website in error.) CG features slim square handles with rounded corners, predominantly black, but red for Pozidrive. Made of Tenite, which is prone to crack and crumble. More accurately, there's a gradual transition from Contour Grip to PowerGrip Plus in the late 1980s. (Contour Grip patent # 201171 filed 1961, granted 1965). See here.

Torque Grip, triangular grips in black, orange, and white, according to Snapmom (see photo in thread below). May have been available toward the end of the Contour Grip era (?). Lauver has a Torque Grip from 1988, and found it in the '88 price list but not the '88 catalog; therefore this may mark the end of the TG period. TG is also possibly made of Tenite, known to deteriorate and ooze; sound specimens of TG are relatively rare. See here.

PowerGrip Plus (aka "2nd Gen 4 side"). c.1988- c.2007-8, but with no firm begin or end date. These are the larger hard square handles (like the current Williams) with swooping curves that came in a rainbow of colors: commonly seen in red, orange, green, yellow, and black. See here. Often referred to simply as "Snap-on Hard Handles." In the 1988 SO catalog, most drivers were older Contour Grip, but some were optionally available with the newer PowerGrip Plus handles, so PGP was being introduced around this time. Phase-out date: the 2008 catalog has old-style PGP screwdrivers & current soft grip screwdrivers & introduces new instinct soft and hard drivers. According to a recent GJ poll, the PGP driver handles are by far and away the most popular, even as of 2010. Recently SO reintroduced just the PGP handles (after a bogus story circulated that SO had 'lost' the molds) so it's now possible to "make your own" PGP drivers. PGP is still available as of 2010 on nut drivers, pry bars, and possibly other tools.

Electronic Square Handle. Somewhere in here, SO is making small drivers with hard black (and later, orange) square-cross-section handles that are more reminiscent of very slim CG handles than PGP handles. Apparently limited to electronics service. Still available. See here. (There is a similarly shaped translucent yellow handle used on bit drivers and nut drivers, known to have been available in the 1970s.)

Soft Grip. 2001-2008? Called "new" in a 2001 catalog, where most drivers are available as either new Soft Grip or old hard PGP. They have a hard plastic colored top and bottom cap with a black gripping portion. The SG handle style is often panned, was remarkably unpopular in a recent GJ poll, and criticized for being difficult to clean, or too small in diameter. While mostly discontinued by 2008 (?) they're still available on ratcheting drivers as of 2010. See here.

Instinct Soft Handle. Introduced 2008. Hexagonal cross-section, black-and-color, overmolded with soft plastic. These proved popular in a recent GJ poll, second to the PGP handle style.

Instinct Hard Handle. Introduced 2008. Hexagonal cross-section, black-and-color, overmolded with hard plastic.

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I was buying them in 1970 up to somewhere around 1989-91? then bought the Triangle, That didn't last long.
 
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Trying to get up to speed on my Snap-on, was reading an old thread where Billymade stated the following:

Snap-On screwdriver family tree:

1. "OCTO-GRIP" slightly rounded edges?(octagon 8 sides)
2. 1st generation four sided plastic with slightly rounded edges (square 4 sides)
3. triangle plastic style grips with rounded edges (triangle 3 sides)
4. 2nd generation four sided plastic with indentation and more rounded edges (square 4 sides) [EDIT: This is the type still sold by Williams I believe]
5. "soft grip" indented thumb rest (how many sides?)
6. Instinct Hard Handle (triangle three sides)
7. Instinct Soft Handle (triangle three sides)

Can someone tell me what years #2 above, what he calls the "1st generation four sided plastic with slightly rounded edges (square 4 sides)", aka the Contour Grip, were made?

These?

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And if you're in the mood, can you also tell me what years the Octo-grips were made?

Here's my 1/4" drivers...an octo-grip, a contour grip, and a power grip plus...

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I like the 2 gen best of all. They may have made the first gen before 1970 but that was my first experiance with them. I was using about 12 differant brands before that
 

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Collectingsnapon.com; seems to have gotten it down pretty well.... even breaks down "octogrip" into two categories! There are some earlier screwdrivers; that I hadn't hear of! Check out the "screwdriver" pull down menu: http://www.collectingsnapon.com/index.html

According to him; the "Contour Grip" (aka: 1st gen) was from 1962 to 1970 but I thought the 2nd gen. came out around the 80s... I have also seen where it seemed to take Snap-On awhile to fully convert over the 2nd gen. handles; this seems to be borne out by seeing the 1st gen. handles with later Snap-On logo on them. These tended to be odd ball specialty items; square drives, carb tools etc. I think there are general timeframes but also; a lag time where converting over to new styles took awhile... others, like the plastic square "cabinet" or "electronic" seem to hang around forever! Go figure!
 
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1962-1970 (or possibly 1988), and it's called Contour Grip. Got it.

That whole "first, second" generation thing gets me confused; and seems it's used conflictingly.

So what's the correct name for the handle that followed Contour Grip, the handle that's now sold by Williams and that many people refer to simply as "Hard Handle?" Is it, "Curvey Modern Fat Contour Grip?"
 
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So what's the correct name for the handle that followed Contour Grip, the handle that's now sold by Williams and that many people refer to simply as "Hard Handle?" Is it, "Curvey Modern Fat Contour Grip?"[/QUOTE]

i remember at the time of release they were called powergrip plus :thumbup:
 

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I have a Carb adjustment set that I bought in 1983. The set contained one 1st gen and one second gen handle Qjet adjustment tools. I didn't see it on a regular screwdriver until about 1990
 

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You won't find triangle grips very often. The were made from a plastic that cracked and oozed oil and were warrantied with newer four sided handles. I have two left of the triangle and they, after over 20 years have finally decided to start oozing oil and crack, most did this within the first ten years. I want a hard handle for replacement and am not sure what Snap On has now, the truck runs on Tuesdays at work and I work a weekend crew and am never there on Tuesdays. Hmmm might have to work some OT on Tues.

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I have a few of the triangle handles left One is a #4 Phillips and the other is a Large flat tip. Im not crazy about them but you can crank some torque with them. Mine havent cracked yet but as much oil as they see I'd never know if they were leaking. I keep them in my engine building box. I've lost the rest of the set over the years
 
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So I'm guessing the "powergrip plus" (the ones that look like modern Williams) started in 1971. And when did SO get rid of them, and go to the soft grip, or instinct, or whatever was next?
 

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So I'm guessing the "powergrip plus" (the ones that look like modern Williams) started in 1971. And when did SO get rid of them, and go to the soft grip, or instinct, or whatever was next?

Bolster,

The 1962 SO catalog introduced the new (first gen 4side) drivers. The 1988 SO catalog still showed this same handle style on most drivers, but certain drivers were optionally available with the newer (2nd gen 4 side, aka PowerGrip Plus) handles. So it sounds like they were gradually rolling out the newer handle style about this time.

By the way, I'm interested in the date ranges for all the SO handle styles. I just don't have the catalogs to nail them down.
 
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The 1962 SO catalog introduced the new (first gen 4side) drivers. The 1988 SO catalog still showed this same handle style on most drivers, but certain drivers were optionally available with the newer (2nd gen 4 side, aka PowerGrip Plus) handles. So it sounds like they were gradually rolling out the newer handle style about this time.

Interesting! So what's the story with the period form 1970-1988? The link above makes it sound like the Contour Grip was over in 1970 but clearly that's not the case. Sounds like the Contour Grip was still going strong in 1988?

And when were the PowerGrip Plus terminated? I'm guessing around 2005, maybe? I think I bought some old PGP stock off a truck around then? Maybe earlier?
 

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The triangle's, black, orange, white. Could be others, the whites are very hard to find.
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When were the PowerGrip Plus terminated? I'm guessing around 2005, maybe? Earlier

EDIT: Will start another thread and ask.
 
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Wasn't the triangle handle called torque grip? I remember they were available concurrently with the 4 sided models.
 

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When were the PowerGrip Plus terminated? I'm guessing around 2005, maybe? Earlier


well, there were still quite a few powergrip screwdrivers to choose from in catalog 900 which was two yrs ago, even in the latest catalog 1100 there are still some available, i.e nut drivers, the hard handle ratchet screwdriver is still around and thats powergrip design,
with the re intruduction of these handles becoming available as spares, well i guess they've never been away, clearly an all time favorite :)
 
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Interesting! So what's the story with the period form 1970-1988? The link above makes it sound like the Contour Grip was over in 1970 but clearly that's not the case. Sounds like the Contour Grip was still going strong in 1988?
And when were the PowerGrip Plus terminated? I'm guessing around 2005, maybe? I think I bought some old PGP stock off a truck around then? Maybe earlier?

Bolster,

That's my read on the 1st gen 4 side situation. And I'm sticking too it.

Regarding the termination date of the PGP. I doubt you will find a clear cut date. More than likely you'll find them gradually transitioning out. The answers are in the catalogs (which I don't have). At some point, the new soft handle will be the predominant and standard driver handle. The previous year would be my guess for the end date of the PGP handle.
 
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[EDIT] This summary has been removed from post #23 and reposted in post #1 of this thread.
 
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Was it the "Soft Handle" that was disliked by many? I recollect a sort of revolt took place at some point...
 

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Was it the "Soft Handle" that was disliked by many? I recollect a sort of revolt took place at some point...

From what I've read on numerous SO "Soft Handle" posts there seems to be two camps; those that love them, and those that hate them. I have personally never tried the SO soft grips so can't join either camp. I do have a couple of GearWrench ratchets with similar soft grip handles and find them comfortable, easy to clean, but too small in diameter to really fit my hand.

Maybe others can add to my observations, but I don't recall a soft handle revolt.

BTW: Nice summary of SO handle styles and date ranges above in Post #23 above. There was yet another handle style in the 70's and 80's, sort of a variation of the 1st gen 4 side found on nut drivers, electronics screwdrivers and "plastic handled" screwdrivers, most were a clear yellow but some were black. Shape wise, these were the 4 side handle with a tapered round section where the shanks entered the handle. I have no idea what to call this handle style.
 
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There was yet another handle style in the 70's and 80's, sort of a variation of the 1st gen 4 side found on nut drivers, electronics screwdrivers and "plastic handled" screwdrivers, most were a clear yellow but some were black. Shape wise, these were the 4 side handle with a tapered round section where the shanks entered the handle. I have no idea what to call this handle style.

Gary,

That handle style, or an evolution of it, is featured in the '01 catalog but isn't shown in '08.

Bolster,

Your list looks good based on what evidence has been presented thus far. Bear in mind there won't be a hard cut-off for any handle style. There are a few PGP and 1st gen softgrip handles in the '08 catalog but majority are 2nd gen soft grip.

ETA there's also a SO wood handle similar to MAC wood handles.
 
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First and second gen SOFT grip? Now what's that? I thought there was soft grip, then instinct (soft and hard). Are you calling soft instinct "second gen soft grip'? Or have I missed a generation?
 

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Bolster,

SO can call 'em whatever they please but adding a few bits of hard plastic isn't gonna stop me calling their second attempt at soft grips anything but soft grips. The way they're going they'll be beadblasting their wrenches next;)
 

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Gary,

That handle style, or an evolution of it, is featured in the '01 catalog but isn't shown in '08.

Bolster,

Your list looks good based on what evidence has been presented thus far. Bear in mind there won't be a hard cut-off for any handle style. There are a few PGP and 1st gen softgrip handles in the '08 catalog but majority are 2nd gen soft grip.

ETA there's also a SO wood handle similar to MAC wood handles.

MattT,

Thanks for the info on these lesser known/lesser appreciated handles.
 
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Bolster,

Just a follow up note on the 1988 catalog and the predominance of the 1st gen 4-side or Contour handles. This was the only handle style offered on ratchets and drive tools like spinners. 1/4 drive- spinner handle only. 3/8 drive- spinner handles(2), palm handle(1), ratchets(6). 1/2 drive- compact ratchet only(1). So I think it's fair to say that the 1st gen 4-sided handles were still the dominant handle style in play in 1988. And further, the 2nd gen 4-sided handles (PGP) were just beginning to be introduced in 1988 and had not achieved any level of dominance at this point.

I'd be willing to bet that the 1st gen 4-sided handle probably survived into the 1990 catalog, but don't have the catalogs to prove it. Perhaps other folks with 1989 or 1990 catalogs could shed more light on this.
 
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Bolster,

Just a follow up note on the 1988 catalog and the predominance of the 1st gen 4-side or Contour handles. This was the only handle style offered on ratchets and drive tools like spinners. 1/4 drive- spinner handle only. 3/8 drive- spinner handles(2), palm handle(1), ratchets(6). 1/2 drive- compact ratchet only(1). So I think it's fair to say that the 1st gen 4-sided handles were still the dominant handle style in play in 1988. And further, the 2nd gen 4-sided handles (PGP) were just beginning to be introduced in 1988 and had not achieved any level of dominance at this point.

I'd be willing to bet that the 1st gen 4-sided handle probably survived into the 1990 catalog, but don't have the catalogs to prove it. Perhaps other folks with 1989 or 1990 catalogs could shed more light on this.

OK. Do you suggest any changes to the wording of my summary based on this? I didn't see anything incompatible...? LMK, and I'll make edits.
 

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Bolster,

I think you've got the wording down on your latest list. I just wanted to make sure your were comfortable with my take on the 1st gen vs 2nd gen time line. I was just giving you a second dose of conviction.

And again, I commend you on the fine job you've done on the SO handle situation. There are many threads that provided "bit's an pieces" but nobody put it all togather until now. Keep up the good work.
 
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Bolster,

Sorry to resurrect this thread just when you thought you were all done with it, but I have some late breaking news.

I was in a pawn shop today and picked up my first Torque Grip driver, model STDP 63. Went home and tried to look it up in my 1988 catalog... not there. Then I tried to match the model number up in the 1988 price list and there it was, but no catalog page number was listed for it (meaning it was not included in the catalog, nor were any of the other Torque Grip drivers). So, we now have one varified date for the Torque Grip drivers. I'm guessing these drivers were being test marketed and were only sold off the truck. What do you think?
 
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I think I better update the writeup in the first post! Thanks for ferreting this out!

I completely rewrote the first post, check it out, see if it's accurate, thanks.
 
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Bolster,

What do you make of the possibility that these drivers may never have made it to the catalogs? What does this mean? Note, my 1988 price list has other tools that were not in the 1988 catalog. Could this mean the price list was simply published after the catalog was printed? If this is the case, that would mean Torque Grips were introduced in 1988 (and just as Snap on was rolling out the PGP drivers?).
 
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What do you make of the possibility that these drivers may never have made it to the catalogs? What does this mean? Note, my 1988 price list has other tools that were not in the 1988 catalog. Could this mean the price list was simply published after the catalog was printed? If this is the case, that would mean Torque Grips were introduced in 1988 (and just as Snap on was rolling out the PGP drivers).

Gary,

It could mean they were too new to be included or were being discontinued. It's possible SO would leave discontinued product in the price list until stock worked it's way out of the dealer network.
 

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Gary,

It could mean they were too new to be included or were being discontinued. It's possible SO would leave discontinued product in the price list until stock worked it's way out of the dealer network.

MattT,

That's the first idea that makes any sense.
 
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I really appreciate you guys continuing to research the issue. I'm not the best guy to do the research, as I don't own a lot of SO or have but a few of their catalogs, but I'll try to update the first post as more information comes to light.

I hope it's not forward of me to suggest this thread as a sticky, because you guys have flushed a lot of information out of the woods here.
 

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That's the first idea that makes any sense.

Gary,

I think all three possibilities are plausible. New introduction, discontinued product, or pilot product which was never cataloged.
 

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Gang,

I agree that we will probably never be able to precisely pinpoint the exact date ranges of these SO handle styles. But I do think we can get closer than where we are right now. In particular, I think we can develop somewhat more precise date ranges for the Contour Grip, Torque Grip, and Power Grip Plus handle styles. What we need are more catalog/price list observations from about 1985 to about 1998. I've got 1988 covered, both catalog and price list.

Isn't chad s the resident SO expert with lots of catalogs? Does anyone know him well enough to enlist his help? Just an idea....
 
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