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Making some "special" vise jaw screws.

A_Pmech

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Recently, I brought home this 6" Morgan vise that Mitch restored for me:

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One interesting thing about this old Morgan are the jaw screws. They're not standard! A search of common hardware suppliers turns up nothing like them.

Mitch and I discussed several options and on my last visit (when I picked up the vise) we were going to counterbore the hard jaws to accept button head screws. However, time got short and that didn't happen. I was looking at the vise today after working on hammers and decided I should finish it before I lose the one remaining original screw Mitch saved for me as a sample.

To begin, I measured the included angle of the screw head. Most common countersunk machine screws have a head included angle of 82 degrees or 100 degrees as shown below.

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The head of the remaining jaw screw Mitch gave me has an included angle of 30 degrees, which I have never seen before outside of plow share bolts.

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Looking at the jaw, I determined that the countersinks in the jaw are much to small in diameter to accommodate diameter "A" of the standard 82 degree or 100 degree countersunk screw as shown in the above illustration, negating any chance to use common hardware.

After a little bit of thinking, I found that the head of a common grade 2 bolt has sufficient material in it to make a copy of the original screw head. So, I began by making a slotting fixture to cut a screw slot into the head of a standard 5/16" bolt from scrap aluminum:

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Then, I slotted a number of Gr. 2 5/16" bolts .070" deep, .070" wide:

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Over on the lathe, I made a simple fixture to hold the slotted bolts so I could turn the head down to size:

jawturningfixture.jpg


Here's a photo I took as I was turning one of the heads down to the correct size and angle. This was simple plunge cut to diameter:

jawturning.jpg


A few of the finished product, with a couple of extra bolts and the one remaining original screw:

jawfinished.jpg


The jaws installed with the new screws:

jawinstalled.jpg


All in all, this took a little more time than modifying the jaws but it kept the vise mechanically 100% original. I made a few spares to lose in the toolbox somewhere, just in case.

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There you have it. :thumbup: I gotta check my screws. I thought they looked rather similar when I had them out.
 

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What no hex head or Robertson? lol. Looks good, and very satisfying to be able to build things like this when needed.
 

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Recently, I brought home this 6" Morgan vise that Mitch restored for me:

carvise3.jpg


One interesting thing about this old Morgan are the jaw screws. They're not standard! A search of common hardware suppliers turns up nothing like them.

Mitch and I discussed several options and on my last visit (when I picked up the vise) we were going to counterbore the hard jaws to accept button head screws. However, time got short and that didn't happen. I was looking at the vise today after working on hammers and decided I should finish it before I lose the one remaining original screw Mitch saved for me as a sample.

To begin, I measured the included angle of the screw head. Most common countersunk machine screws have a head included angle of 82 degrees or 100 degrees as shown below.

jawfinished.jpg


The jaws installed with the new screws:

jawinstalled.jpg


All in all, this took a little more time than modifying the jaws but it kept the vise mechanically 100% original. I made a few spares to lose in the toolbox somewhere, just in case.

:beer:

Its great when you have the proper equipment to make something to spec. Excellent work. For me, and you guys out there with little to work with, I bought some Fillister Head screws and lightly ran the lower edge on the corner of my grinder turning the screw trying to keep an even bevel. It wasn't perfect but it worked. Yours are perfect!
 

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Morgans are BLUE...:lol_hitti

Haha, very true. I try to get John to paint things in bright colors just because I know he likes machine tools and shop equipment to be gray. It is my personal responsibility to make sure he is given a hard time on a fairly regular basis. :lol_hitti
 
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I have seen those shallow angle screws also in vise jaws. I wonder if the shallow angle is preferred so that the screw head wedges in place when tightened and will not loosen as easily as a more standard flathead screw.
 
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Very cool to see how stuff like this is figured out and accomplished.

Aren't you making some screws for another vise, too?
 

Brad54

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That was cool.

Jeeeeeze I need to get my lathe running!

-Brad
 

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From my Ridgid, "square" phillips head:

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julesthegreat

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Hello all,

I recently picked up an American Scale Co vise, no 79 I believe.

Anyways I was faced with the same quandary of what to do about the jaw screws, after extensive searching I found these.

http://WWW.VISEPARTS.COM/product_p/ba-11106s39.htm

Now they are actually much shorter than the original screws form my vise which had 1" of thread not 3/4" total but they are better than nothing.

They also have 1/4-20 ones if you look under miscellaneous.

Jules
 

autopts

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Hello all,

I recently picked up an American Scale Co vise, no 79 I believe.

Anyways I was faced with the same quandary of what to do about the jaw screws, after extensive searching I found these.

http://WWW.VISEPARTS.COM/product_p/ba-11106s39.htm

Now they are actually much shorter than the original screws form my vise which had 1" of thread not 3/4" total but they are better than nothing.

They also have 1/4-20 ones if you look under miscellaneous.

Jules

Those, like you said are shorter. You really want to thread in as far as you can. I have a A.S also and I took the jaws to a friend and he counter bored the holes to accept a 5/16" allen head cap screw. Someone with a drill press could do it for you.
 

julesthegreat

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There is no need to screw in that deep.

The bolts are in shear from the side and depth will not help that, the only other forces are ones pulling out on the jaw and those are almost zero.

So they really do not need to be long.
 

julesthegreat

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Some advice from a clever friend of mine, depending on how big the vise is and the fact that the taper on the screws is a sticking taper.

Clamp something in the jaws before you tighten the screws down near each of them that way the screws do not have to fight the jaw and the sticking taper on the screw does not stop itself from being able to fully tighten.

Jules
 

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A_Pmech, great work and documentation, as always. Not to be OCD or anything but those screws are not 'clocked'!:shocking: lol

That machinist's protractor is darn nice; mind giving us the details/history on that little gem of a tool? These tired old eyes could certainly benefit from the magnifier, even though I'm certainly no machinist.

Old Navy Machinist Mate 'Standard Operating Procedure' (S.O.P.) -
"Measure with a micrometer, mark it with chalk, cut with a hatchet!":lol_hitti
 
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