HILTI - Made in China!

SHL · Nov 18, 2010

Hello colleagues!
I want to ask, if you (U.S.) Hilti introduce a product that says "HILTI - Made in China"?
Today I bought a Hilti grinder made in China! My machine is different in design from this catalog Hilti. This is new to me and I am surprised! So to repeat my question: There you when you Hilti machines made in China?
Here are some pictures of my grinder.

And this is the same model shown in the catalog of Hilti.

*I hope my English language well understood.

Marmaduke · Nov 18, 2010

Your pics didn't come through. Unfortunally thats the way its going to be. When you see a tool on sale for a 10th of the price of a primo product it will be made in China. I have found that it is very hard to get replacement parts for these items and usually have to send them to the dump when they quit. I know Dewalt and Maqita? are made in asia but have repair places in north america.

Monte · Nov 18, 2010

no pics

try to upload to imageshack.com or photobucket.com or through the forum

The cheapest Hilti hammer drill is made in china too but it only cost 279.- euro or so....

SHL · Nov 19, 2010

I do not know why not see photos? Last time I got them the same way.
Now they climb through the forum - directly from my computer. Hope show.
I want to emphasize that the machine was purchased by an official of the Hilti store!
Greetings!

And this is the same model shown in the catalog of Hilti.
http://img21.imageshack.us/i/dag115s.gif/

MrMark · Nov 19, 2010

Hilti has been made in China and other Asian countries for a long time. It's easier to find a German or Swiss Bosch than a Euro Hilti from my perusing Home Depot. There are some Euro Hilti products, but only at the super high end. Many of the run of the mill products are Asian.

SHL · Nov 19, 2010

That is produced in China, mean that the quality of the machines is not good ... or at least not as good as if produced in Liechtenstein?

MrMark · Nov 19, 2010

You'll have to be the judge of that. I have no direct experience with Hilti. I'll bet Hilti will tell you the China products are made to the same standards as Liechtenstein. I personally wouldn't buy it.

I have a German Bosch 5" rat tail grinder that I was fortunate enough to be able to buy recently at a very nice price. It is an awesome machine. It is also the only German grinder I have seen.

catfish · Nov 19, 2010

the high end jackhammers were made in austria last time i looked but how often does a homeowner need to buy a high end jackhammer?

SHL · Nov 19, 2010

When I buy FAKOM - I want to be manufactured in France!
When I buy BETA - I want to be manufactured in Italy!
When buying HAZET or STAHLWILLE - must be produced in Germany!
When I buy HILTI - I want to be produced in Liechtenstein!
Compromise and experimentation never do his work!
That's it!

Vinko · Nov 19, 2010

MrMark said:
Hilti has been made in China and other Asian countries for a long time. It's easier to find a German or Swiss Bosch than a Euro Hilti from my perusing Home Depot. There are some Euro Hilti products, but only at the super high end. Many of the run of the mill products are Asian.

This wasn't the case at my HD a few years ago. But it was last year when I was looking for a Hilti grinder. Only the 7" was made in Europe, not the 4.5.

So I bought a metabo. And just bought 2 more.

By my count last month at my small Home Depot, the following Hilti are made in Europe (Germany, Switz, Lich.): jigsaw (2 models), 3 drills, 1 grinder, most consumables (except some Canadian and some US - a few cut-off blades were Chinese). These were the smaller items. I didn't look at the big construction stuff.

Paumanok · Nov 19, 2010

I was in my local Home Depot yesterday, and took a quick stroll through the Hilti display. The first two I looked at, had the same body as the one that SHL bought, which happens to have a very similar, if not identical body to a 6.5A Bosch 4.5" that I have, and on both of those Hiltis and my Bosch - "Made in China".

So it was much to my surprise, when i looked at the third Hilti grinder on display, which happens to be a 5" w/11.5 Amps - "Made in Germany" :rocker:

It was this one:

http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xgk/R-100466890/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053

Also their laser distance meters are also made in Germany. And I found one of their drills was also made in Germany. It made me happy :lol_hitti

Underdog · Nov 19, 2010

SHL said:
When I buy FAKOM - I want to be manufactured in France!
When I buy BETA - I want to be manufactured in Italy!
When buying HAZET or STAHLWILLE - must be produced in Germany!
When I buy HILTI - I want to be produced in Liechtenstein!
Compromise and experimentation never do his work!
That's it!

Yea and when I buy SNAP-ON I want it to be manuftured in United States! :lol_hitti

american lockpicker · Nov 19, 2010

SHL said:
When I buy FAKOM - I want to be manufactured in France!
When I buy BETA - I want to be manufactured in Italy!
When buying HAZET or STAHLWILLE - must be produced in Germany!
When I buy HILTI - I want to be produced in Liechtenstein!
Compromise and experimentation never do his work!
That's it!

I couldn't agree more.

Also when I buy Bosch I want it to be made in Switzerland. Although Germany is ok.)

And when I buy Bahco I want it to be made in Sweden(although France is ok for some things.)

danski0224 · Nov 19, 2010

SHL said:
Hello colleagues!
I want to ask, if you (U.S.) Hilti introduce a product that says "HILTI - Made in China"?
Today I bought a Hilti grinder made in China! My machine is different in design from this catalog Hilti. This is new to me and I am surprised! So to repeat my question: There you when you Hilti machines made in China?

Their smaller rotary hammers are made in China, too.

Price stayed the same, though.

SHL · Nov 19, 2010

From the headquarters of the Hilti I explained that there was no problem with Chinese flex - whether your warranty!

Now when you buy something, I will first look at where it is produced!
Now I have a Chinese angle grinder!

mrpowderkeg · Nov 19, 2010

I look too, and if it's made in china I don't buy it. What makes me mad, is I use to buy milwaukee tools because they were the last to be outsourced. I paid more for them, but I didn't care, I wanted an American Made power tool. Since Milwaukee has been outsourced to china, the price has not changed for consumers. I'd pay more for a domestic product, but I don't even have that option any longer.

China is going to own the world soon. We in America are loosing our ability to make stuff, selling and shipping our manufacturing equipment overseas. Plants close down, machines get shipped overseas, and people don't pass the knowledge on, and we become weak as a country

american lockpicker · Nov 19, 2010

SHL said:
From the headquarters of the Hilti I explained that there was no problem with Chinese flex - whether your warranty!
Now when you buy something, I will first look at where it is produced!
Now I have a Chinese angle grinder!

I would return it and buy a German one from Metabo or Bosch.

SHL · Nov 19, 2010

american lockpicker said:
I would return it and buy a German one from Metabo or Bosch.

I wanted to bring him back, but not accept it. :sad:

stonewellmark · Nov 19, 2010

Check STIHL hedge trimers..made in china...boy was I pissed off when I noticed. So far the only STIHL item Ive seen made in china.

Monte · Nov 19, 2010

SHL said:
I do not know why not see photos? Last time I got them the same way.
Now they climb through the forum - directly from my computer. Hope show.
I want to emphasize that the machine was purchased by an official of the Hilti store!
Greetings!

And this is the same model shown in the catalog of Hilti.
http://img21.imageshack.us/i/dag115s.gif/

The pics you posted show a different model than the model you posted in the link. The grinder in the link looks like this Bosch GWS 580 (except the rear part of the motor housing) Maybe Bosch made them for Hilti. The Bosch GWS 580 with the black "head" is also made in China. Maybe you received the new Hilti made model and the catalog pic maybe shows the old Bosch made model ??
The motor housing of the new model looks like Bosch though.....

This is made by Bosch I´m 100% sure

catfish · Nov 19, 2010

stonewellmark said:
Check STIHL hedge trimers..made in china...boy was I pissed off when I noticed. So far the only STIHL item Ive seen made in china.

the electric ones or the gas powered?

Marmaduke · Nov 19, 2010

mrpowderkeg said:
I look too, and if it's made in china I don't buy it. What makes me mad, is I use to buy milwaukee tools because they were the last to be outsourced. I paid more for them, but I didn't care, I wanted an American Made power tool. Since Milwaukee has been outsourced to china, the price has not changed for consumers. I'd pay more for a domestic product, but I don't even have that option any longer.

China is going to own the world soon. We in America are loosing our ability to make stuff, selling and shipping our manufacturing equipment overseas. Plants close down, machines get shipped overseas, and people don't pass the knowledge on, and we become weak as a country

Couldn't agree more with you. What pisses me off they stopped production of the Dodge Ram in Canada and US and moved it to Mexico because it was cheaper to produce. Well how come there the most expensive ones on the market apples to apples. As for china junk, just prepare to throw it in the garbage when it stops working, big problem is even if you could repair it , it will be cheaper to buy new again.

american lockpicker · Nov 19, 2010

Marmaduke said:
As for china junk, just prepare to throw it in the garbage when it stops working, big problem is even if you could repair it , it will be cheaper to buy new again.

They design things these days to break so you will buy a new one, its called engineered obsolescence.

SHL · Nov 24, 2010

Here is a machine grinding stones Metabo ... produced in China!
PRC = People Republic Of China!

*Machine taking pictures of it tonight in service of my friend.

Monte · Nov 24, 2010

Metabo sheet sanders made in Germany:

Metabo Sr 356
Metabo Sr 358
Metabo Sr E 357
Metabo Sr E 359

magnusk750 · Nov 24, 2010

american lockpicker said:
I couldn't agree more.

Also when I buy Bosch I want it to be made in Switzerland. Although Germany is ok.)

And when I buy Bahco I want it to be made in Sweden(although France is ok for some things.)

Bacho doesn't make anything in Sweden anymore. Production of adjustable wrenches in Enköping ceased in 2006 and moved to Spain were other SNA Europe (Owned by Snap on!) brands has production. Spanners and socket sets I think are made in Argentina since decades, bbut I'm not sure if it's still there.

american lockpicker · Nov 24, 2010

magnusk750 said:
Bacho doesn't make anything in Sweden anymore. Production of adjustable wrenches in Enköping ceased in 2006 and moved to Spain were other SNA Europe (Owned by Snap on!) brands has production. Spanners and socket sets I think are made in Argentina since decades, bbut I'm not sure if it's still there.

Aren't saws and saw blades made there?

Monte · Nov 24, 2010

some saws and saw blades as well as carbide burrs are still made in sweden

american lockpicker · Nov 24, 2010

Monte said:
some saws and saw blades as well as carbide burrs are still made in sweden

Are the jigsaw blades made in Sweden?

Monte · Nov 24, 2010

i dunno, didn´t look when i was at the store since I´m fully equipped with blades.

I only have these 2 pics but no "Sweden" visible (maybe on the other side or just the package or not at all

)

or just buy the swiss made Bosch or Schuhmacher or Wilpu from germany....

Vinko · Nov 27, 2010

SHL said:
Here is a machine grinding stones Metabo ... produced in China!
PRC = People Republic Of China!

*Machine taking pictures of it tonight in service of my friend.

Noooooooooo!

Vinko · Nov 27, 2010

american lockpicker said:
Aren't saws and saw blades made there?

I will double check with my dealer. I have Bahco Swedish stuff I've bought from Harry Epstein's, but it is (I think) all NOS.

I have current Bahco blades made in England. They're the best I've used for my particular applications.

catfish · Nov 27, 2010

It's pretty simple.
If it says 'Made in China' then don't buy it , buy secondhand if everything in that category is made in China (or look online for non Chinese/Taiwan/Third World stuff).

american lockpicker · Nov 27, 2010

catfish said:
It's pretty simple.
If it says 'Made in China' then don't buy it , buy secondhand if everything in that category is made in China (or look online for non Chinese/Taiwan/Third World stuff).

That isn't easy especially when buying online or in places where COO is hidden.

catfish · Nov 27, 2010

i find most the time if they are hiding COO then it's made somewhere with a reputation for poor quality eg China or Taiwan

Monte · Nov 27, 2010

It´s easy.

Buy offline.

Or e-mail the seller and ask for COO.

I´m never surprised about COO when i buy something because i do my homework.

magnusk750 · Nov 27, 2010

Can't say about sawblades and burrs. They were made by Sandvik, under their brand, until some years ago until they merged their handtool production with Bacho, or SNA and Öbergs and Lindströms and Belzer and ... well, it's been quite a mess with those brands for quite many years. Sandvik has production of cutting tools still in Sweden though, possible that sawblades and burrs are made in connection.

Vinko · Nov 28, 2010

One other thought: there was a guy on here that worked for Williams and sold Bahco saw blades. He had some good info. Can't recall his name now but something might pop up with a search. I think his name was Theo :dunno:

Vinko · Nov 28, 2010

catfish said:
i find most the time if they are hiding COO then it's made somewhere with a reputation for poor quality eg China or Taiwan

Yes, but I want to point out that I've found some quality from Taiwan to be relatively good.

SHL · Dec 1, 2010

Vinko said:
Yes, but I want to point out that I've found some quality from Taiwan to be relatively good.

That's right I also have machines from Taiwan and China, which still work. On all my machines, only 6 of them are manufactured in Asian countries. These machines are not my main instrument and does not saddle every day. When hard work does not know how many will last!

Incidentally, I received a call from the headquarters of the Hilti with a proposal to replace the machine with one produced in Germany.

I'm happy!

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