New shop, time to build

sdetweil · Dec 22, 2010

I do custom cars & trucks as a hobby (hope to carry that forward after real work ends).. and the finished cars don't like being in the same shop where the work is going on.. sparks and dust and all..

So I am building a second 30x40.. slab is down and the building kit arrived today..

I've been reading here and seems like a reasonable project.

I didn't have the building ordered prior to the slab, so we didn't know where to put the bolts, and had weld plates installed instead. We have a 200amp miller Mig welder so we should be all set.. rest is bolt together..

Will post pics along the way, we start assembly sunday.

here is the parts on the slab
30x40, with one 10x10 roll door on one end, and 2-16x10 roll doors on one side ( this kept the custom building prices down)..
slab is 3500psi, 12in deep on the near bay, for a 4post lift.
14 in footer all the way around.

Sam

sdetweil · Dec 26, 2010

Day 1 of assembly, 6 hours of work.. first bay framed out

Sam

sids04 · Dec 26, 2010

Looks good. I love the pickup ! Keep the updates coming.

gordsgarage · Dec 26, 2010

Shop is looking great! Keep us posted on the progress.

Gord

sdetweil · Dec 28, 2010

Day 2 framing complete.

raining morning of day 3.

Sam

std building w 1-10x10 door opening.

we added openings for 2-16x10 doors on the side.

sdetweil · Jan 1, 2011

got the eve angle installed, and the 2-16ft roll up doors mounted (while I had the lift equipment).

I have to reinforce the door mounting plates by tying into the eave strut. 1 done, 3 to go.
Once I get the skin on then I will finish the door install and adjust.

base angle and door mounted this weekend I hope.

Sam

keduner · Jan 1, 2011

Hi sdetweil: Your building is looking good. I'm just wrapping up a 30X40X14 steel frame (Heritage). We got ours insulated and closed in before the cold weather hit in Colorado. Good luck.

sdetweil · Jan 1, 2011

Thanks.

we are in central Texas so cold is 40!

Insulation and siding to go.

Sam

Bruce4310TX · Jan 14, 2011

Sam, Any updates on the build.

sdetweil · Jan 15, 2011

no, unfortunately.. its been raining regularly lately and we haven't gotten any time to start on the siding.. was hoping for this weekend as I have monday off.. so three days would have done it.. rain ..... I've got a couple guys ready to help so its just a weather thing.

I did get all the base angle and the walkdoor installed on the one dry windy day last weekend

need to lay the insulation down to cut it. .. and these sheets are like razorblades in the wind..

Sam

ambenz · Jan 15, 2011

Sam, nice garage space so far, your truck is very cool!
I am guessing this new garage is gonna be a showcase with signs, finished walls and tiled floors?
Thanks for sharing your progress!

red69ss · Jan 15, 2011

Nice build, and I like the truck! I can understand your need for a seperate building to work in, I have a 30 x 40 and have three finished cars stored in it and I am currently trying to build another one. Everytime I go out to work I have to move all three, set up and work, then clean up an put them back in. It's a real pain and if it's raining I can't do any dirty work. I want to build on a working/dirty area in the future.

I know you are really going to enjoy having this seperate area for dirty work. congrats!

TAMPAGT07 · Jan 15, 2011

Hey ambenz, don't you think that sdetweil's green truck would look better in orange?? :spit:

sdetweil · Jan 16, 2011

red69ss said:
Nice build, and I like the truck! I can understand your need for a seperate building to work in, I have a 30 x 40 and have three finished cars stored in it and I am currently trying to build another one. Everytime I go out to work I have to move all three, set up and work, then clean up an put them back in. It's a real pain and if it's raining I can't do any dirty work. I want to build on a working/dirty area in the future.

I know you are really going to enjoy having this separate area for dirty work. congrats!

this one is the clean room!.. I have the 30x40 (red building in the pics) construction room. have 2 in progress already.

right now I need to weld and grind on one of the chassis. I need to roll it over.. this will take 2/3 of the 30x40 space.. and its raining and the green truck doesn't do water!..
my enclosed car trailer is holding the 56 truck (pic) which needs front chassis work too.. so I need some place to set the front clip and hood.. but the green truck is in the shop taking up space.. (hope she didn't hear that!)

Sam

sdetweil · Jan 16, 2011

ambenz said:
Sam, nice garage space so far, your truck is very cool!
I am guessing this new garage is gonna be a showcase with signs, finished walls and tiled floors?
Thanks for sharing your progress!

thanks.. nah.. this is still gonna be a working space.
4 post lift, compressor, welder.. I will epoxy the floor once I can get the roof on and floor dry again.

Sam

sdetweil · Jan 16, 2011

TAMPAGT07 said:
Hey ambenz, don't you think that sdetweil's green truck would look better in orange??

uh.. no :-X13: (man.. where the barf icon when u need it!)

sam

sdetweil · Jan 25, 2011

finally got some decent weather over the weekend and Monday.. so we have been putting up the walls..

a lot more physical than we had planned on, working with the insulation..

3 walls done, easy wall to go.

1st day we battled unexpected winds. MUCH nicer with no/little wind.

Sam

sdetweil · Jan 29, 2011

walls done.. no time yet for roof.. trim on to stop rain onto insulation

Sam

ambenz · Jan 29, 2011

TAMPAGT07 said:
Hey ambenz, don't you think that sdetweil's green truck would look better in orange??

Well, even though I love orange..his truck is too cool to even suggest a different color!
The garage is comming along nicely!

Motown 454 · Jan 29, 2011

Thats going to be a nice shop. More crappy weather for you guys. Can't cath a break. It looks good. I love the pick up.

sdetweil · Mar 2, 2011

progress report..

I decided I didn't have the time or skill to put the roof on, but I found local guy to do it.

roof is on, trim to go, and one big door is working.. (need some chain to do the other, it will be here tomorrow)..

still need to find a 10x10 rollup door, and get power run to the building..

Sam

cnyeco1 · Mar 2, 2011

Hey there.

I am up here in Okc. and was just wondering if you would tell me what one of these building kits runs. I have a buddy that built one about 8 years ago same size, and he said he had around $20,000 in it with electrical and concrete. Does that come close to what the prices are now?

I am planning on building the same size or maybe a 30x30 depending on the lot size I get.

Thanks in advance.

sdetweil · Mar 2, 2011

cnyeco1 said:
Hey there.

I am up here in Okc. and was just wondering if you would tell me what one of these building kits runs. I have a buddy that built one about 8 years ago same size, and he said he had around $20,000 in it with electrical and concrete. Does that come close to what the prices are now?

I am planning on building the same size or maybe a 30x30 depending on the lot size I get.

Thanks in advance.

the building kit cost $7500 including the insulation(insulation was 1400)(see http://www.muellerinc.com/building/prefab_kits.php).
as I am only 35 miles from the plant, delivery was only $200)
The slab cost me $4200 (3.50/sqft) including steel.

I am still working on the electric. I have the wire for to the building. just need to trench and connect to the master breaker panel (pole mounted 75ft away) wiring inside the building will be another . $300-400, me doing all the work.

I found the big doors used for $400 each, including tracks.
had to buy one chain drive.

so I am guessing $13500 total. and $1000 labor to put the roof on, 14,500 final.

sam

I got quotes of 15000 for the building, material and labor (no doors), installed on top of the existing slab or 8000 labor to assemble the kit on the slab. so , I saved 7000 by doing 7/8s of the install.

sdetweil · Mar 10, 2011

outside finished.!!

electrician here yesterday, working an estimate, as we need to repair a power to the house problem at the same time.

Sam

iride47 · Mar 10, 2011

Looks good. I am subscribing to this thread as I have a building very similar I am about to put up.

John in OH · Mar 11, 2011

Nice building! Steel construction looks like a good, simple construction technique.

Wondering what kind of jack/hoist you used to lift the truss members? I don't think I've ever seen a vertical hoist like the one you used. Is there a specific name for this hoist? What was your rental source?

sdetweil · Mar 14, 2011

John in OH said:
Nice building! Steel construction looks like a good, simple construction technique.

Wondering what kind of jack/hoist you used to lift the truss members? I don't think I've ever seen a vertical hoist like the one you used. Is there a specific name for this hoist? What was your rental source?

its called a material lift, typically used to put air conditioner units and ducting work in place on overhead locations. If you watch the meuller setup video, this is what they used as well. http://www.muellerinc.com/downloads/prefabvid.php see section 4.

this unit from Sunbelt rental (as part of the Lowes Hardware location) was a 24ft unit, lifting 650 lbs (to 24ft!)..
http://www.sunbeltrentals.com/equipment/category.aspx?id=s502
a week rental was $180.. we got the frame up in 3 work days.
folds and rolls into the back of a pickup, laying down. single person can move it into/out of the pickup.. I did.

the central beams only weighed around 300lbs. (w12x10, 10bs/ft*30)
we used it to lift the 16ft rollup doors as well, which weigh in at almost 400.

On the rollup doors, I used some pallet rack shelf supports (4000lb) I had, to give us an 8ft spread between the lift straps. Could have done the same for the main beam as well. but I didn't feel any issue cranking it up..(we used some non-slip rubber pad and ratchet strapped the beam to the lift arms) then we stood and bolted the main beam risers to the lifted cross piece, and left it there.

I poured the slab before I knew exactly what building I was putting up, and how it attached to the slab. I had someone install metal weld plates into the slab at pour time so I could weld up, or weld the bolt up legs to the plates. just made it a little more work/and unstable during the post raising.. my son had to weld the legs as I held them in place. (another reason for leaving the lift in place all week.

yes, the kit was easy, all bolt together. the end wall sections were tricky .. we put up the corner, attached the roof eave piece to it, bolted the next support to that roof piece (10ft out), and then swung the roof piece up by lifting the free leg. we strapped the corner piece to my dually front grill for extra support (welded to the floor as well). this was the most challenging spot.. course we could have used the material lift, but it was busy holding the main beam. we used my electric impact wrench, and loctite on the bolts.

Sam

green.bubbly · Apr 12, 2011

John in OH said:
Nice building! Steel construction looks like a good, simple construction technique.

Wondering what kind of jack/hoist you used to lift the truss members? I don't think I've ever seen a vertical hoist like the one you used. Is there a specific name for this hoist? What was your rental source?

I am building a 24x24 Mueller building. The lift would have been nice but nothing a out of shape 45 year old and a strong 24 year old son could not handle. At least with a 24x24 building. The hardest part was the 24 foot long girts on the sides. And extra hand would have made it a little easier but a little rope and ingenuity worked as well.

sdetweil said:
I poured the slab before I knew exactly what building I was putting up, and how it attached to the slab. I had someone install metal weld plates into the slab at pour time so I could weld up, or weld the bolt up legs to the plates. just made it a little more work/and unstable during the post raising.. my son had to weld the legs as I held them in place. (another reason for leaving the lift in place all week.

yes, the kit was easy, all bolt together. the end wall sections were tricky .. we put up the corner, attached the roof eave piece to it, bolted the next support to that roof piece (10ft out), and then swung the roof piece up by lifting the free leg. we strapped the corner piece to my dually front grill for extra support (welded to the floor as well). this was the most challenging spot.. course we could have used the material lift, but it was busy holding the main beam. we used my electric impact wrench, and loctite on the bolts.

Sam

The impact wrench certainly made things go a lot better and quicker. My only complaint was the lack of step by step instructions but it was not that hard to figure things out. I hope my building turns out as nice as yours looks.

Not sure if you feel the same but building it myself was half the fun. Sure, it is taking longer than I planned but when it is done, you can proudly tell people you built it. :rocker:

BUGTHUG · Apr 12, 2011

Nice truck, is that the one in the commercial on TV? Nice shop too..

santagary · Apr 13, 2011

sdetweil said:
outside finished.!!

electrician here yesterday, working an estimate, as we need to repair a power to the house problem at the same time.

Sam

Smart man... :thumbup:

...take care of the better half's electrical problem 1st and have one bill...who's to say what the new garage elec. install cost?? :bounce:

sdetweil · Apr 13, 2011

green.bubbly said:
I am building a 24x24 Mueller building. The lift would have been nice but nothing a out of shape 45 year old and a strong 24 year old son could not handle. At least with a 24x24 building. The hardest part was the 24 foot long girts on the sides. And extra hand would have made it a little easier but a little rope and ingenuity worked as well.

The impact wrench certainly made things go a lot better and quicker. My only complaint was the lack of step by step instructions but it was not that hard to figure things out. I hope my building turns out as nice as yours looks.

Not sure if you feel the same but building it myself was half the fun. Sure, it is taking longer than I planned but when it is done, you can proudly tell people you built it.

yes, at LEAST half the fun.. I really enjoyed it!.. I watched the Mueller video online, so it was fairly clear, and the drawings showed each connection and what bolts to use.

only spot I missed was putting the door trim on BEFORE the siding on the 1st piece, and cut it too small.. so had to go get another piece of R panel.

sam

sdetweil · Apr 13, 2011

BUGTHUG said:
Nice truck, is that the one in the commercial on TV? Nice shop too..

no.. I wish. the TV ad truck is a stock 56, mine is a 55.. they had to digitally darken the stock Meadow Green on the 56 cause it looked too pale the owner said.

thanks

Sam

sdetweil · Apr 13, 2011

santagary said:
Smart man......take care of the better half's electrical problem 1st and have one bill...who's to say what the new garage elec. install cost??

yeh, looks like the original owner, self builder did some crazy electrical stuff.

rather than one straight pull into the house in a closed conduit, he ran out the main panel to a splitter, then to another splitter(below), then to the house..

not really so bad, except one of the splitter locations has the splitter & wires submerged when it rains.. and that WILL fail eventually..
(pic attached)

to fix that, every other wire run is too short, and has to be redone.

fun..

Sam

slammed85 · Jan 15, 2012

Thinking of doing this myself as well. What kind of lift is that and did you rent it or do you own it? Any list of special tools you've needed during the build would be appreciated. Thanks!

slammed85 · Jan 15, 2012

Nevermind. Just saw page 2 of this thread. :lol_hitti

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