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Thanks to the 158 GJers who've taken the Wrench Popularity Poll since 2009. That's a very respectable sample size. With this much data, we have a relatively stable view of what the GJ population (and perhaps tool nuts in general) are most and least interested in buying.

This data is useful primarily to help you decide (a) what brands to pick up if you plan to resell; and (b) what brands are undervalued, thus providing a great bargain opportunity.

The data is in two graphs because a second set of tools were added at the suggestion of GJers after the first round of data collection. However, it's not possible to modify the question after data has been collected on a question, thus the second question. Apologies to those who don't see their favored brand represented yet. Maybe next year.

The data is presented as a frequency...how many people (regardless of whether they'd pay $5 or $10) were interested in purchasing the hypothetical midsized wrench in the questionnaire. Frequencies alone give us a nice gradation of popularity. The ratio between $5 and $10 gives an indication of desirability, but also some indication of collector interest...if the $10 portion is relatively large compared to the $5 portion, chances are it has a base of collectors (See for example Proto Los Angeles vs. Husky).

This is a quick-and-dirty survey, where respondents were allowed to self-select. Self-selection always messes with external validity, so the weak point of the survey is trying to use this data to represent the universe of tool hounds. It's a snapshot of people who are interested enough to take the poll here on GJ. I didn't have time or interest for more. Please note that CNN and virtually all other media outlets run similar self-select polls. So our methodology is no worse than what gets (mis)reported as news every day.

If you wanted to take the time, you could combine the two graphs below by converting each frequency into a percentage, then combining the two graphics on a scale of percentage. If you have the time, interest, and computer skill to do that, please post the integrated graphic into this thread.

There is also a ratchet survey from 2009. If response to this is good, I'll dust that survey off and collect some more data on that poll. I'm contemplating a screwdriver poll as well.
 
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A few personal comments.

Did you know that Plomb was #2, after Snap-on? Wow. I had expected all truck brands next, not Plomb. Bonney makes a surprisingly high placing, too. Yet Plomb/Proto subsidiaries such as Penens, Calif-Tool (which bought A.Plomb), and Urrea are at the bottom. I consider Urrea to be the undiscovered value in tools. They are Proto-quality (or nearly so) tools made in Mexico by the former Protomex partner. As has been discussed at GJ ad-ureaum (as opposed to ad-nausium), Urrea are shunned by American buyers in part because the name reminds them of "Urea," a salt found in urine. It is actually the last name of the founder of the company. If you're mature (I said mature, not manure) enough to deal with the name, they're great tools at shockingly low prices on eBay.

(Uhh huh huh huh huh, he said "urea" and "manure." Uh huh huh huh.) Shut up, Beavis.

[EDIT: I ran some quick numbers to see where data from question 2 would fit into question 1. The most popular brand of Q2 (Vintage Crescent) appears to fit into the space between SK and Stahlwille in the first question. So basically all the tools in question 2 belong at lower rankings than SK in the first. You can calculate your own percentages, use n=154 for the first question and n=48 for the second question, those are the number of people who would pay $5 for at least one wrench; it gets rid of about 6 cheap bastards in Q1 who would not pay $5 for anything...they're outliers for sure.]
 
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This data came in handy for me this very weekend. I was hitting some garage sales here in LA and happened upon an elderly widow selling off her deceased husband's tools. She was trying to raise some money for a badly needed cancer surgery. In the corner I spied this Plomb toolbox packed with mostly Plomb pebble tools. (Some worthless Proto LA ignition wrenches, too.) She wanted $20 but I bargained hard with her, and got her down to $10. I wouldn't have even paid that much, except I knew from the survey that Plomb was very desirable. So I'll likely be able to make my money back if I care to.

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This data came in handy for me this very weekend. I was hitting some garage sales here in LA and happened upon an elderly widow selling off her deceased husband's tools. In the corner I spied this Plomb toolbox packed with mostly Plomb pebble tools. (Some worthless Proto LA ignition wrenches, too.) She wanted $20 but I bargained hard with her, and got her down to $10. I wouldn't have even paid that much, except I knew from the survey that Plomb was very desirable. So I'll likely be able to make my money back if I care to.
*snip*

:shocking: Me think you just threw a bucket of manure on us, followed by a sprinkling of urea. What the... :lol_hitti

Unreal. :thumbup:
 
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:shocking: Me think you just threw a bucket of manure on us, followed by a sprinkling of urea. What the... Unreal. :thumbup:

:lol_hitti

I promised myself I'd fess up, when the first person called BS on me! Just having a spot of fun...it's actually taken me years to amass a box of Plomb tools, and a good portion of my disposable income! That photo is from a couple years ago. The box is sold and replaced with another. I'm ashamed to show you what the Plomb box looks like now...

Anyway thanks for keeping me on the straight and narrow, North! Rest assured no old ladies were actually harmed in the telling of that completely 100% fabricated whopper!

:lol_hitti

OK, kidding aside...what do you guys think of the data?
 
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you know bolster Im glad your in LA and not closer to me .I have such a small buying area here I would never be able to get anything with you around. It seems every thing I get into and do a search on it comes up with you looking for them like the proto LA tools with the pebble feild size markings.
Wow great find on that plumb box and tools all I ever find is one tool at a time :beer:.10.00 for it all incredibale:bowdown:. If you would like to part with ome of the keyring screw drivers let me know been looking for one for a long time



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Jim PLEASE read the post immediately above yours... I was just kidding. Seriously I don't go around beating up old ladies and taking their chemotherapy money.

Oldtimers on this list know I'm seldom serious...I mean, come on, a guy who has a dead gopher in his avatar?

But the data gathered above is real. I promise that on a stack of roasted gophers.
 
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This data came in handy for me this very weekend. I was hitting some garage sales here in LA and happened upon an elderly widow selling off her deceased husband's tools. She was trying to raise some money for a badly needed cancer surgery. In the corner I spied this Plomb toolbox packed with mostly Plomb pebble tools. (Some worthless Proto LA ignition wrenches, too.) She wanted $20 but I bargained hard with her, and got her down to $10. I wouldn't have even paid that much, except I knew from the survey that Plomb was very desirable. So I'll likely be able to make my money back if I care to.


holy **** you ****.
I want one of those ratchets.

edit: just read the other post. I about **** myself when you said you got that for $10.
 
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did plomb even sell metric?

IIRC, only double open ended, and possibly (???) only in the pebble field transitional...but I'm foggy in my recollection, so someone doublecheck me on that. I don't think there were any full pebble metrics, or any combo metrics, or any DBE metrics.

They're rare as hen's teeth. I've never seen any, have only seen photos from friends who are "supercollectors."
 

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I'm surprised Mac and Cornwell are so high considering the bashing they get on this forum. I Would've expected Matco to beat them.

Plombs ranking I completely understand. If you're buying and reselling then Plomb is really #1. The margins are amazing.
 
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I'm surprised Mac and Cornwell are so high considering the bashing they get on this forum. I Would've expected Matco to beat them.

Really?! My impression is that GJ doesn't like Matco, and holds Cornwell in high regard. I was surprised to see Matco as high as it was.

Maybe I missed a recent Cornwell bashing.
 
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I'm surprised Stahlwille came in so low. Even if you don't like the brand, you can sell just about anything they've ever made for way more than $5.

Was Hazet not an option or just no one voted for them?
 
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Was Hazet not an option or just no one voted for them?

Didn't make it in. Sorry. It's on the list for next year, though.

Notice Stahlwille has that ratio thing going on, that says people "in the know" will pay $$ for it. It has the "collector/aficionado/elite" type profile with a relatively larger green, compared to blue.

But it is right at that "nobility" breakpoint. Basically SK and above are the "noble" tools, and below SK are the "common" tools.
 
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This data came in handy for me this very weekend. I was hitting some garage sales here in LA and happened upon an elderly widow selling off her deceased husband's tools. She was trying to raise some money for a badly needed cancer surgery. In the corner I spied this Plomb toolbox packed with mostly Plomb pebble tools. (Some worthless Proto LA ignition wrenches, too.) She wanted $20 but I bargained hard with her, and got her down to $10. I wouldn't have even paid that much, except I knew from the survey that Plomb was very desirable. So I'll likely be able to make my money back if I care to.

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impressive , did ya steal her car too ?
 

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Bolster said:
Seriously I don't go around beating up old ladies and taking their chemotherapy money.

I'm not ashamed to admit that I'd beat up 3 old ladies to buy that for $10. :bounce:
 
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This is a great example of how a false story can derail serious research! With my talent for telling interesting and compelling lies, I should work for CNN or the New York Times or the White House (same difference).
 

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Too late to back out of it now Bolster, your name is mud concerning little old ladies. No matter what, no one will read the confession. (Just like the NY TIMES page-15 retraction) :)

Great poll. It seems to have changed some over the last couple days though.

Thanks again,
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Too late to back out of it now Bolster, your name is mud concerning little old ladies. No matter what, no one will read the confession. (Just like the NY TIMES page-15 retraction) :)

Great poll. It seems to have changed some over the last couple days though.

Yeah you're right, I'm the next national villain now. That'll teach me.

Yeah I noticed the data movement...the data kept coming in, every few minutes another person would take the poll so I just let it roll until I didn't see any new data for 24 hours. And yeah, you saw some shifting around, particularly at the bottom of the list (where the small numbers were). Penens was second to last and improved its position in the last 24 hours.

It was like watching a horse race.
 

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Nice survey; well done! :bowdown:

I love hanging around educated types like ol' Bolster. There is so much fascinating information about tools which I simply do not know! LOL :thumbup:

I found some of the first survey results (green and purple scale) to be absolutely amazing, and others predictable. For example, I would have accurately guessed that Snap On would be on top (duh!), and Plomb second. But Mac has been bashed so severely on GJ lately, that I expected it to be near the middle of the scale...yet it rests in 3rd as of now. Proto Los Angeles tools are asked for constantly, so I thought that would score higher; maybe even third or fourth. Conversely, I thought I was one of a small minority of people who knew about and respected Cornwell tools, yet it ranked 4th. I knew Bonney was popular, but not THAT popular...5th place?! Wow. I knew that Matco is widely respected, but I almost never find a Matco tool for sale around here...new or used. So it doesn't really register on my scale...

I know that Wright, Proto USA, and Armstrong are popular on GJ, but I was surprised to see Blue Point below them, since Blue Point is essentially the same thing as Snap On...at least in my mind.

On the other end of the popularity scale...with all the used-tool sorting hours I've invested lately, I've been feeling regret for some buys I made last year of good quality US-made tools, since I have not NOTICED anyone asking for those brands on Garage Journal. So I have gradually begun to ASSUME that I would never be able to sell some brand names...due to an apparent lack of demand. IE: Barcalo-Buffalo, Thorsen, Vlchek, and Williams, etc. Yet I see in your survey that some of these brands scored pretty well. Hmmm. Good news!

On the other hand, some of the brands which I considered to be prime examples of excellent quality US-made tools did NOT do as well as I would have expected, such as Billings (I have NEVER been disappointed in the performance of a Billings tool), Husky, Penens, and Duro.

Very interesting! :beer: I'll comment on the second (yellow-blue) survey results in separate post.
 
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The second survey scale (blue and yellow) also revealed some surprises to me. I'm not surprised to see Par-X score as high as 2nd, but I did not expect vintage USA-made Crescent to achieve 1st place among these tools on this list...and certainly not ahead of Par-X. Who woulda thunk it?

Then I must admit that I am mostly ignorant of the foreign brands like Bahco and Heyco. I don't see them often, and only hear about them on Garage Journal. But I do have a small stash of them which I have acquired in tool box purchases.

I was really surprised to see Lectrolite score well here. They seem to be totally neglected at flea markets and auctions in my area...often heaped in bins with asian tools for bulk prices. I find them to be good serviceable tools...but not widely respected in this area...although they are fine tools in my opinion.

All in all, these two surveys were informative and fun to read. Thanks, Bolster!
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The pleasure was all mine, my good man.

Keep in mind the data is thin on the second question, just 48 ppl responding to it, so extrapolating from it will not yield results as stable as the first question (154 replies).

The only way to place question two INTO question one is to convert all answers to percentages then combine. In other words, we can't assume that the top performers in both questions are equivalent. Ie, vintage crescent in the second question (receiving 19 of 48 votes = 40%) is nowhere near the "royalty" of snapon (receiving 130 of 154 votes = 84%). So unless someone goes to the work of converting to percentages and then combining the data (not me, thank you, too much work) we have to treat the two questions as separate data. It may be that none of the tools in the second question are all that popular.

Heck if they were big performers I would've thought of them when composing the first survey years ago.
 
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I couldn't leave this alone...running the numbers, it appears that Vintage Crescent (from the second question) "fits" into the space between SK and Stahlwille in the first question.

So NOTHING in the second questions gets above SK popularity in the first.

I think it's safe to characterize the tools in the second question as "also rans," at the risk of offending some.
 
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I couldn't leave this alone...running the numbers, it appears that Vintage Crescent (from the second question) "fits" into the space between SK and Stahlwille in the first question.

So NOTHING in the second questions gets above SK popularity in the first.

I think it's safe to characterize the tools in the second question as "also rans," at the risk of offending some.

Fascinating. I would have thought Par-X, if nothing else, would score very highly if it had been placed in the first scale, because of its relationship with/to Snap On.

Hmmmm. I suppose what might be throwing me off could be that a "vocal minority" of supporters for certain brands might be making a lot of posts about certain brand names, leading me to assume that those specific brands are popular with everyone. (IE: I often read about "Bahco" and "Hazet" and other European brands, with some vigorous supporters on Garage Journal. But prior to joining GJ, I had never heard of them.) So maybe a more intense but smaller (by volume) interest in certain brands might be misleading. :headscrat Who knows? :confused:

On the other hand, I have never noticed anyone asking to find or buy a Lectrolite or Vlchek tool on Garage Journal. And I have several of each, so I am delighted to find that folks do appreciate and respect them.
 
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Hmmmm. I suppose what might be throwing me off could be that a "vocal minority" of supporters for certain brands might be making a lot of posts about certain brand names, leading me to assume that those specific brands are popular with everyone. (IE: I often read about "Bahco" and "Hazet" and other European brands, with some vigorous supporters on Garage Journal. ... :confused:

By George, I think you've got it!

Want to join my research team? I'll collect the data and you write up the interpretation!
 
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Again, I agree this is a good poll. And as Bolster pointed out, this is a barometer of GJ members, not necessarily the tool owner "universe."

As a member who has been a GJ member for less than a year, and an electronics technician in the past, most of the tools brands were unknown to me. I have heard of some brands only through the GJ forum.

Just to throw in yet another tool brand, Park Tools is one of THE BEST US manufacturers . . . for bicycle tools. No other brand comes close in quality or demand. But they obviously would have performed poorly in this venue.

I SUSPECT, that many others like myself (or non-GJ members) taking this poll will have completely different results. For example, the vintage Craftsman "wrench" would be higher in the list I think. The "Tool Owner Universe" also consists of a large number of apartment dwellers with only a couple of screwdrivers and slip-joint pliers, brands 'unknown.' :)

But then that's what makes Bolster's poll results so good.

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By George, I think you've got it!

Want to join my research team? I'll collect the data and you write up the interpretation!

Uhhhh...join your research team? Ummm...wouldn't I need, like, BRAINS for that? Not sure that I would qualify. :(

Hey! Wait a minute! Does your research team get to fool around with vintage tools, tinker with old cars, and consume mildly alcoholic beverages?? :drool:

I'm IN!!! Sign me up!
 

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Yay,I Think that Top 3


1.Snap On
2.Proto
3.Wright


Ah .Indestro Good!:thumbup:

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Well done Bolster! :beer: The store of human knowledge advances relentlessly forward. (Except as regards the desirability of Hazet, but maybe next year.)

I must have been real close to the bottom-feeding decile of miserable tightwads who wouldn't shell out so much as a fiver for a second-hand 15mm spanner.

For me a fiver might stretch to Snap on (assuming I could ever see one for sale at that price, which I never have) and Stahlwille, (and Hazet) and that's about it.

Glorious set of plomb you have there.
 

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this reminds me of my project i had to do in statistic econ 365 last year, but i did it on shoes instead.

can you do us (or me) a favor and graph the chart of $5 and $10 separately please. if it is to time consuming for you can you pm me or email the statistics and i can graph and post it on this thread.

BTW this is the best statistics i have seen for tools. I always thought the order of popularity was Snap-on, Matco, Mac, then Cornwell.
 
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Why separately? That information is in the existing graphics, but.... graphed separately, you'd be more likely to reach erroneous conclusions, such as the idea that Snap-on was less desirable than Cornwell, Wright, or Williams, when looking at $5 data. You need the $10 data graphed with the $5 data.

Actually, both the $10 and the $5 data are somewhat irrelevant; what's important is the number of people responding they'd buy the wrench at all. That's what gives us the progression from top to bottom...it's a pure frequency. This is very simple, low budget research. Nothing fancy. A college frosh could do this.

THe $10 data by itself is moderately interesting, but what's really interesting is the ratio of $5 to $10 data. That gives you an insight into the "cult status" of a tool. So

Snap on
Plomb
Matco (to a mild degree)
Proto LA
SK Wayne

...all have diehard fans who are disproportionately willing to pay higher prices for swag.

Whereas:

Armstrong
Indestro
P&C
Penens
and most of all, Husky

...do not have "enthusiasts;" these tools tend to be purchased for use (if purchased at all), not collection, by the respondents here at GJ. Both are somewhat surprising (to me); I didn't realize there were so many closet Matconian enthusiasts out there; and likewise, I thought Armstrong had a stronger enthusiast base than it apparently does. But Armstroids are cheap bastards; they're very happy to find the tool at $5 but will pass at $10. Apparently GJers expect Armstrong to be a good deal.

Then there are the brands that SHOULD have an enthusiast base but don't here at GJ (but might elsewhere), such as:

Calif-tool (A Plomb spinoff)
Urrea (the Mexican Proto)
Billings & Spencer (antique style wrenches)
Duro & Indestro, two brands that should be next to each other since they're the same company...Duro is actually the higher quality, Indestro is the "consumer brand." But in the data this inverts. Leaves an opening for Duro fanciers like myself...D'oh, I just let the cat out of the bag!
 
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this reminds me of my project i had to do in statistic econ 365 last year, but i did it on shoes instead.

can you do us (or me) a favor and graph the chart of $5 and $10 separately please. if it is to time consuming for you can you pm me or email the statistics and i can graph and post it on this thread.

BTW this is the best statistics i have seen for tools. I always thought the order of popularity was Snap-on, Matco, Mac, then Cornwell.

As one who has taken the master's level econometrics, I can vouch for Bolster's price spread. That is the important information, not the specific price.

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No kiddin' Steve? I did knot know that you was edu-ma-cated. Damn shame to waste a mind in school, particularly a master's program. Sorry to hear it. You seem to have survived OK, though.
 
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