So Can Your Floor Do This and Not Have Any Damage?

slickgt1 · Mar 21, 2011

Mine can. LOL. Not trying to start anything.

Just wanted to show you, that is an entire half of my car, a V8 Lexus GS 430, one floor jack, both wheels off ground, on porcelain tile with nothing under the jack.

Had to wash the car after such a thrilling photo shoot, lol :3gears:

So I decided to do my oil change yesterday. March 31, 2011. Realized another thing I love about the tiles. I didn't modulate my ascend up the ramps and pressed the brakes too hard when on top. The ramps slid a couple of inches. I don't know what damage would be left other flooring, but none on porcelain.

Wanted to show you guys some more durability pics. This is my BMW x5, 4.8is. Over 5000lbs. It's a tank.

Jacked up the entire side, wheels hanging in the air. Oh and I placed the jack on the edges of the tiles. One wheel into the grout line.

Doing some ATF maintenance. Yes the floor looks dirty here. Don't worry, I spilled so much ATF that the floor is much cleaner now. Brake cleaner should be sold in Gallon jugs if you ask me. No pictures ATF Mississippi, sorry, was too busy stopping the flow.

Jack Olsen · Mar 21, 2011

Looks great. Tile is thicker (and harder?) than epoxy and often cheaper to boot.

But yeah, mine can do that.

slickgt1 · Mar 21, 2011

Yea Jack, I know your floor can do that. My floor is the way it is because of you. Thanks for putting me up to it on DIYForum.

ScaldedDog · Mar 21, 2011

How do these hold up to welding spatter? How about dropping stuff on them?

Mark

milner351 · Mar 21, 2011

I've seen ceramic tile crack under a dropped cast iron frying pan, I'd be worried about any substantial weighty objects hitting a tile floor in a garage. Sure looks nice though.

graffix000 · Mar 21, 2011

I guess i fail to see the point of this thread. Why wouldn't an epoxy floor be able to hold up to jacking a car up? It wouldn't mark it up if you are using a decent jack with flat wheels.

:headscrat

slickgt1 · Mar 21, 2011

ScaldedDog said:
How do these hold up to welding spatter? How about dropping stuff on them?
Mark

Well Jack welds on them all the time. But he has ceramic. I have porcelain. Much tougher. I think he uses welding blankets. I'll let you know later how porcelain takes welding spatter. Turned over a shelf full of tools on them. Was an unfortunate situation when moving my shelves from one side to the other. Yea, no damage.

milner351 said:
I've seen ceramic tile crack under a dropped cast iron frying pan, I'd be worried about any substantial weighty objects hitting a tile floor in a garage. Sure looks nice though.

Yea no. Like stated above, this is not ceramic. But again Jack has ceramic, and no issues. I have porcelain, and if something does chip, its came color underneath it. So no worries. It also matters how it was installed.

slickgt1 · Mar 21, 2011

graffix000 said:
I guess i fail to see the point of this thread. Why wouldn't an epoxy floor be able to hold up to jacking a car up? It wouldn't mark it up if you are using a decent jack with flat wheels.

Again, the point is, nothing special for a jack, nothing under the jack, **** the floor is still dirty from construction. Put a jack like that on an epoxy floor and we will see what is left behind. Or how would you go about fixing that section once/if you mess it up? That right there is nearly 2000lbs under the front of the jack. I say front, because I can turn the jack left and right when its jacked up like that. Minimal weight on the rear wheels.

I'm just saying I love it.

PecosBill · Mar 21, 2011

milner351 said:
I've seen ceramic tile crack under a dropped cast iron frying pan, I'd be worried about any substantial weighty objects hitting a tile floor in a garage. Sure looks nice though.

It all depends on the bedding of the tile. Properly bedded porcelain might chip, but it's pretty hard to break. You get breakage from voids under the tile. The biggest downside I see with the OP's floor is the use of cushioned tile, instead of rectified edge. I would recommend rectified, and then a grout joint no larger than 1/8".

PaulR · Mar 21, 2011

Ladies and gentlemen!! The first FLAW ever found in Jacks garage!!!!!

:bounce:

slickgt1 · Mar 21, 2011

PecosBill said:
It all depends on the bedding of the tile. Properly bedded porcelain might chip, but it's pretty hard to break. You get breakage from voids under the tile. The biggest downside I see with the OP's floor is the use of cushioned tile, instead of rectified edge. I would recommend rectified, and then a grout joint no larger than 1/8".

Yea maybe, but this tile was less than $1 sq ft for PEI5. The white was 1/16th smaller than the brown, but I didn't care. It's my garage, if I wanted to, I could have cut them even. So, this is really not a fault. It's a nice durable floor on the cheap.

PecosBill · Mar 21, 2011

slickgt1 said:
Yea maybe, but this tile was less than $1 sq ft for PEI5. The white was 1/16th smaller than the brown, but I didn't care. It's my garage, if I wanted to, I could have cut them even. So, this is really not a fault. It's a nice durable floor on the cheap.

Hey, I'm not faulting your floor, I'm just expressing a professional opinion. A lot of people think tile is fragile, not realizing the porcelain is denser than concrete. You do have to worry about rollovers though, and that is the downside of a cushioned tile. But you're right, that tile was cheap, and you are not going to find rectified for that price.

mmhouse · Mar 21, 2011

Yes, mine can do that all day...it's concrete!

PecosBill · Mar 21, 2011

mmhouse said:
Yes, mine can do that all day...it's concrete!

slickgt1 · Mar 21, 2011

mmhouse said:
Yes, mine can do that all day...it's concrete!

ahahahahah. Werd.

csp · Mar 21, 2011

slickgt1 said:
Put a jack like that on an epoxy floor and we will see what is left behind.

Had the front end (diesel so that's where all the weight is) of my 6500+ pound F250 on a floor jack in my dad's epoxy coated garage Saturday. No damage whatsoever and I'm not sure why you think there would be any damage. :headscrat

We do use a chunk of 3/4" plywood under jackstands that have sharp edges, but what exactly is the point of this thread?

Personally I would want ceramic/porcelain tile in my garage about as much as I'd like another hole in my head, but that's just my opinion.

willysrule · Mar 21, 2011

To each his own...I think it's looks very nice, but not sure I'd want it..

Most household ones that break are due to the base below the tile not being supportive enough...I have a ceramic tile floor in my basement, many times things have been dropped and there is no damage...

The kitchen had the same exact tile when we moved in...it was not nearly as strong because the floor was not prepared properly before the tile was put in...I have since redone the kitchen floor and put the proper base and cement board down before tiling…no problems at all now..

Defender Chassis · Mar 21, 2011

csp said:
Had the front end (diesel so that's where all the weight is) of my 6500+ pound F250 on a floor jack in my dad's epoxy coated garage Saturday. No damage whatsoever and I'm not sure why you think there would be any damage.

We do use a chunk of 3/4" plywood under jackstands that have sharp edges, but what exactly is the point of this thread?

Personally I would want ceramic/porcelain tile in my garage about as much as I'd like another hole in my head, but that's just my opinion.

X2, my truck is a 2000 Dodge 3500 4x4 and it weighs in at 7650. I have no marks on my floor from jacking. I do have marks from dropping stuff. I'm no epoxy advocate but there is no reason epoxy can not hold up to your challenge.

neverenoughtools · Mar 21, 2011

My garage floor is Canadian concrete. :FIREdevil

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Daddy_Rabbit · Mar 21, 2011

cool tile ... looks like the floor in the local McDonald's bathroom.

thegarageguy · Mar 21, 2011

Yes it can!

slickgt1 · Mar 21, 2011

Well I am surprised. I have seen epoxy floors look like *** after a few weeks. Although, I wasn't challenging epoxy, or any floor for that matter. Good stuff all.

csp · Mar 21, 2011

Lumping all epoxy into one level of quality is like breaking a Harbor Freight ratchet and claiming that all ratchets are junk.

The $75/gallon junk from Home Depot is in no way comparable to the $250/gallon stuff.

Jack Olsen · Mar 21, 2011

I think the OP simply meant he was pleased with the strength of the flooring he put in. "Not trying to start anything" was his second sentence, after all.

If I had a clean, dry concrete pad as a starting point, epoxy would have been high on my list. It's expensive, but the good stuff is very durable. Tile is kind of a strange choice for a garage, but the people who go with it are often surprised by how good it looks and how much of a beating it holds up to. Most people's point of reference for tile is the stuff in their bathroom or kitchen, so they think it's going to be brittle or slippery. But if you buy commercial-rated stuff and install it like they do in commercial spaces, it's very strong.

And it's a real bargain, compared to most of the other floor treatments used in garages.

You CAN break just about any tile if you come at it with a hammer -- and that's not possible with epoxy. Heavy objects dropped on well-installed tiles will not be an issue.

On the other hand, you CAN scratch most epoxies if you drag a sharp edge across them. That's maybe the one battle that tile will win over epoxy.

I don't know of any floor treatment that won't be marked by welding spatter.

As I said, I would have happily installed epoxy if I'd had a decent pad and the budget for a decent epoxy product. A it happened, I had to find a more uneven-surface-tolerant (and economical) solution. I've been very surprised by how well the tile has worked out for me. But if I come off in some of these posts as a tile evangelist who thinks epoxy is for suckers, then I'm misrepresenting myself. Honestly, I don't think apples-to-oranges comparisons or any kind of 'which one is better' discussion is really worth having. The two floor treatments are mostly just... different.

munkey · Mar 22, 2011

Jack Olsen said:
"Not trying to start anything" was his second sentence, after all.

Yeah, but when your subject line and first two sentences (So Can Your Floor Do This and Not Have Any Damage? Mine can. LOL.) have already "started it," the disclaimer just comes across as passive aggressive. There are certainly less confrontational ways to express delight with your flooring choice.

slickgt1 · Mar 22, 2011

Woah guys, really this is not meant as an aggressive post. What the hell don't people understand about not trying to start anything. Take the words literally, do not try to diagnose my words and meaning.

I am really pleased with my tile, and the fact that I put it down. The most I wanted out of this, is to see pictures of other floors, doing what I posted doing. The question was; Can your floor do this? I showed you what my floor can do, with PICTURES. I see arguments, but no pictures of other floors doing anything similar. I wanted a reference for others to see floor durability. Concrete slabs, and especially Canadian concrete, need not show up. We all know you will be superior.

People question tile floors and their strength. I've gotten emails of people asking how its holding up. This is not the only forum I am a member of, but this is the forum that put me on this path. So I figured people here should see this. This post was generally for those people. If you feel offended, you don't have to read or reply here. Posts with attitude will get ignored, by me at least.

You feel your floor is superior, better, higher quality, cheaper, more expensive, shinier, whatever, hats off to you. Post up a pic, show the rest what you got so that others can make a decision on future floor projects. That is all I wanted.

I wanted to, and would have done epoxy as well, had my floor not been the retarded mess that it was. There was just no way in hell I could have done epoxy and slab fixing for the price of this tile and mud job. I love it though, and I don't think I would do epoxy after this outcome. I can't lift everything in the garage, so **** gets dragged on the floor, I love that I don't have to worry about a scratch.

rsanter · Mar 22, 2011

a tile floor that is installed properly....that means a nice even layer of the thin set on the floor and the tile ser right so there are no voids or gaps below the tile itself should be very durable. if the tile is not corectly installed then you will have trouble

and yes my floor can do that too, and I dont even have tile
I will admit your floor does look better though

bob

e-tek · Mar 22, 2011

Are the tiles slippery when wet? Living in the snow zone we always have water on the garage floor. I was going to paint our 2-car attached this year, but am also considering tile.....

slickgt1 · Mar 22, 2011

rsanter said:
a tile floor that is installed properly....that means a nice even layer of the thin set on the floor and the tile ser right so there are no voids or gaps below the tile itself should be very durable. if the tile is not corectly installed then you will have trouble

and yes my floor can do that too, and I dont even have tile
I will admit your floor does look better though

bob

My installation was different (mud job with tile), but like I said before. My floor's pitch was messed up beyond all comprehension. The car was in the high spot, the problem was that the rest of the garage perimeter was lower. If I had to pull a car in when it was wet, forget about it, vac, push broom, every 10-15 min., and only in the areas where I could reach. I had puddles, inside, under cabinets, under everything. I am so happy now.

slickgt1 · Mar 22, 2011

e-tek said:
Are the tiles slippery when wet? Living in the snow zone we always have water on the garage floor. I was going to paint our 2-car attached this year, but am also considering tile.....

Not at all. I have hosed the floor down a couple of times. Walking in sneakers, there is some extra slip only when the water is running off though. Once it becomes mildly wet, you get that sticky suction-traction. Boots is better all the time. Bare feet is fine just like sneakers. The tile is not smooth at all, just looks that way. I haven't tried dress shoes, but I doubt it will be much different. I'm in NYC. I had the same concerns, especially with the wife having to park the baby carriage(s) there. She gave her approval as well.

P.S. We are supposed to get some snow this week. If there is anything on the floor, I'll bring some in and test it out.

csp · Mar 22, 2011

slickgt1 said:
Take the words literally, do not try to diagnose my words and meaning.

I took your following words literally.

slickgt1 said:
Put a jack like that on an epoxy floor and we will see what is left behind.

The question was; Can your floor do this? I showed you what my floor can do, with PICTURES. I see arguments, but no pictures of other floors doing anything similar. I wanted a reference for others to see floor durability.

Myself and others answered that yes, other floors can do that. Sorry I don't have pictures of my pickup in the air above my dad's epoxy floor. My first inclination when working on my vehicles isn't to grab the camera and take pictures to post on the internet. I'm more interested in the job at hand. Maybe when I get to the point of epoxying my floor I might do that, but I doubt it. :dunno:

BTW, I don't see anyone displaying any sort of "superiority". You asked a question and made statements inferring that epoxy would be damaged, which is incorrect as a broad generalization.

Glad you like your floor. Not everyone else does, but their opinions don't matter. It's your floor so don't worry about other opinions, especially on the internet.

dirttracker18 · Mar 22, 2011

slickgt1 said:
Concrete slabs, and especially Canadian concrete, need not show up. We all know you will be superior.

OK I give up

School me, is Canadian concrete better? Is that wise crack (no pun intended)?

Not a concrete guy so whats up. Not the first time I have read that remark.

kywildcat · Mar 22, 2011

I knew this was going to get stirred up!!!!

slickgt1 · Mar 22, 2011

dirttracker18 said:
OK I give up

School me, is Canadian concrete better? Is that wise crack (no pun intended)?

Not a concrete guy so whats up. Not the first time I have read that remark.

it was a joke, at least to me, maybe it's better, I dunno.

dirttracker18 · Mar 22, 2011

and here I was getting all excited that I had kick a$$ concrete or something

slickgt1 · Mar 22, 2011

kywildcat said:
I knew this was going to get stirred up!!!!

Me too. I tried to state that I don't want to start ****. I had a feeling this would be another CFL post. Sort of puts a person down not to share things like this in the future. The people that do put in normal and/or positive comments is what gives me pleasure to share these things.

I just hope someone can get something useful out of these threads.

Lotek · Mar 22, 2011

PaulR said:
Ladies and gentlemen!! The first FLAW ever found in Jacks garage!!!!!

We still don't have an answer to this shocking accusation!!! :scared:

Say it ain't so, Jack

Inquiring minds want to know!!! :evil:

Jack Olsen · Mar 22, 2011

Oh, man. My garage is FULL of flaws. Waves in the floor. Single-circuit and 'creative' electrical wiring. Dry rot and termite repair that make me cringe. There's an external wall along one side that even includes an 'indoor' rainwater downspout that then jogs over and runs outside. The structure itself dates back to 1925 -- with lots of half-assery in the years that followed.

It's functional, but the total budget was very low. There are many fantastic 'no-excuses' garages on this site. Mine only excels in the 'bang-for-the-buck' category.

Dragster Racer · Mar 22, 2011

LOL. Half assery.
The more I see of tile, the more credability it gets for me. My experience with epoxy was at the last manufacturing facility I worked at, and even sliding a pallet would leave some sort of mark. I'm a bit too rough on my floor to put up with that. Concrete with clear sealant is at least forgiving for me. Doesn't look as nice as any of the other options though. It's just a farm.....and racing shop.

Lotek · Mar 22, 2011

Jack Olsen said:
Oh, man. My garage is FULL of flaws. Waves in the floor. Single-circuit and 'creative' electrical wiring. Dry rot and termite repair that make me cringe. There's an external wall along one side that even includes an 'indoor' rainwater downspout that then jogs over and runs outside. The structure itself dates back to 1925 -- with lots of half-assery in the years that followed.

It's functional, but the total budget was very low. There are many fantastic 'no-excuses' garages on this site. Mine only excels in the 'bang-for-the-buck' category.

So it's all Hollywood then... :lol_hitti

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