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Can someone school me on lathes?

TheEuronater

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Hey guys, I've been wanting a lathe for a while but haven't used one for anything other than wood. I want a metal lathe, and there is one at an upcoming auction but I have no idea how to tell if it is a metal lathe. I know I can turn wood on metal, but not metal on wood. So..... how do I know if it's a metal lathe?
 
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If you have never used a metal lathe before, I would HIGHLY SUGGEST taking a training course before you break it (or more importantly, YOU!).
 

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Get one with a gearbox. Nothing worse than and old change-gear lathe without an extra set of gears
 

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If you are a complete novice the idea of a training class is good. However there is another way. It may cost more in the long run but it is an alternative.
Buy a small underpowered lathe. One of those little craftsman ones that everyone complains about or even a little Chinese lathe.
Because they are underpowered you reduce the chance or breaking things ( the belt is often the weak link) and less chance of really hurting yourself.
Most hobby people never really need more than a small lathe.
You can go bigger once you learn more.
One thing I see with beginners is that they try to take too big of cuts. They get a bad finish, more likly to tun the part down too much, break bits, or hurt themselves.
An under powered lathe will help protect you and teach you that removing small amounts of material is the way to go.

When you outgrow the small lathe sell it to another beginner

Bob
 

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If you live near a community college that offers classes on machining that I say sign up! I took an evening course 25 years ago, then a couple of years later I had the chance to operate a lathe at a guys race car shop. Only the car owner knew how to operate it and once he found out I knew how I spend all my time there making little parts they used on the car. They were doing a total rebuild on a tube frame Trans Am Mustang first built by Roush Racing. A few years later I purchased my own and have used it on many large and small projects since.

Many times I build/repair things differently then the average person would because I can make parts on the lathe that allow me to do that.
 

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When you outgrow the small lathe sell it to another beginner

Bob

Bob's whole post was right on and to expound on the quote, most hobby lathes bought used will return the investment when you sell it. Most additional tooling you buy to tool it up will stay with you and work with your next lathe. The exception is lathe specific tooling like steady rests.

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If you're interested in one, go for it. They honestly aren't that hard to use. The fundamentals are simple, but you can learn techniques for a lifetime. Like mentioned, wood and metal lathes look way different. If there are dials and hand wheels on it, then it's a metal lathe. No harm in starting whatever you can get cheap. Belts aren't a bad idea.

Do yourself a favor and watch some YouTube videos about the basics. Don't be scared of a three phase machine either. If you have 220, you can easily make a converter.

I started with an 11" Logan and have upgraded. Machining gets addicting...
 

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Just be careful, before you know it, you'll be buying one of these.

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That's a 2 foot wide push broom leaning up against the new lathe my boss just bought.
 

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If you're interested in one, go for it. They honestly aren't that hard to use. The fundamentals are simple, but you can learn techniques for a lifetime. Like mentioned, wood and metal lathes look way different. If there are dials and hand wheels on it, then it's a metal lathe. No harm in starting whatever you can get cheap. Belts aren't a bad idea.

Do yourself a favor and watch some YouTube videos about the basics. Don't be scared of a three phase machine either. If you have 220, you can easily make a converter.

I started with an 11" Logan and have upgraded. Machining gets addicting...
I just have a little 10" Logan, probably all I'll ever get as I am 60 years old.
It's a little small at times, But still a pretty nice little lathe.
I outfitted a wiper motor to the lead screw for feed control, as there is no quick change gear box on it.
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Only time I need to change gears, is when I want to thread.

spindle center bore size is what gets to me more than the swing, as I think it's only abound 3/4" I can pass through the spindle, and let hang out of the left side of the spindle.
 
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Hit youtube for mrpete222, metal tips and tricks, abom79, randy richard, keith fenner, keith rucker, THATLAZYMACHINIST, The Backyard Machine Shop to get you started.
They will give you a LOT of information

Also go online and get a copy of "how to run a lathe" it's a south bend book
http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/1617/3789.pdf
newer printing parts 1&2
http://campkahler.com/files/How_to_Run_a_Lathe_SB_1of2.pdf
http://campkahler.com/files/How_to_Run_a_Lathe_SB_2of2.pdf
Mr pete222 is "The Man" Nice guy too.
I have "talked" to him a few times. (e mail)
you can really learn a lot from him.

Big thing is how much you want to apply your self.
I'm a decent wood worker, amateur metal worker, decent mechanic, handyman, decent piano player.
I could be SO MUCH better at all of them, but don't apply myself as much as I could. (I do OK though)
 
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Lathe operators never get anywhere in this world. If they aren't boring then they are turning down work.
 

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there were so movies about running a lathe, there were sort of funny.
IIRC south bend made them
They were good, but they were funny, cause they looked like something we would have watched on a 16MM projector in High school>.......LOL

What do you mean "would have"...? how about...did.. lol

We had a full compliment of SBL 16MM movies, film strips, overhead slides, etc. in my vocational machine trades class in high school.. in South Bend.. :rocker:
 

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If you've never done any machining it's certainly worth learning a bit about it BEFORE buying a lathe!

Courses are great, and for those readers in the U.K. I'd certainly recommend a course of evening classes. Good basic teaching, all the tools and materials provided, and of course heavily subsidised!

A course is by no means essential though. I'd start by getting a copy of 'The Amateurs Lathe' by L.H. Sparey. (Not costly on Amazon). To be honest, having read it, you'll be better able to decide what you need, and you'll pretty much be able to start machining straight away!

As a milling machine operator once told me - 'Any worm can turn - it takes a man to mill'!
 

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I bought a lathe in April, a 8x16 chinese from Grizzly. I had never used one before but I spent some time on YT watching and learning and joined a couple forums as well as Yahoo user groups, then I bit the bullet and bought one.
Those chinese lathes are good to learn on because you have to take them apart and clean and adjust everything and they don't take up too much room at least not in my basement apartment. My lathe weighed 150lbs. so it was manageable to move. I still need to get a bench for it.
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I just bought a lathe.
Classes are good but books? Is this the 50s because everything is on youtube now. Whenever I want to know how to do something, BAM, there it is, in a step by step video.
I'd suggest buying as big as you can afford (or bigger than you think you need if money is not a factor) and diving in head first.
 

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Since nobody else mentioned this yet, there are a few things that you should be aware of when operating a lathe:

1.) NEVER wear gloves of any kind when operating a lathe. Do not wear loose clothing. If you have long hair, make sure that it is secured and out of the way. The spindle on a lathe can do an incredible amount of damage when any one of these things gets caught in it while it is rotating. Make sure this doesn't happen to you.

2.) After you tighten the chuck onto the work piece, remember to take the key out of the chuck before starting up the lathe. People who have failed to do this have seen these chuck keys imbed themselves in concrete walls, or damaged the ways on the lathe. Again, be safe and follow protocol.

3.) If the chips are not breaking up but are coming off in long strings and clumping together (aluminum will often do this), do NOT grab this debris pile while the lathe is running. Without any warning it can suddenly get caught up by the rotating part and begin spinning rather violently. If you grab the string of chips and this happens it can and will cut you badly. I personally know someone who this happened to, and the injuries were ugly. Stop the machine, and clear the chip pile before continuing.

4.) Learn how to sharpen lathe bits. This takes practice and some level of skill to do it well. A good, sharp, well ground bit will make life a lot easier when turning parts. Cutting with a dull or improperly sharpened bit is asking for trouble.

Maui
 

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I just bought a lathe.
Classes are good but books? Is this the 50s because everything is on youtube now. Whenever I want to know how to do something, BAM, there it is, in a step by step video.
I'd suggest buying as big as you can afford (or bigger than you think you need if money is not a factor) and diving in head first.

Videos are pain in the *** when I need to install a taper attachment and have to learn it by watching a guy restoring one which is mostly him talking about painting it. Videos are nice if I want someone to walk through the steps in a book or I am looking for little tricks but they don't even come close to replacing having a manual next to you.

As far as buying lathes are concerned this is my advice:

They are really heavy: my 14.5" South Bend weighs approximately a ton. Make sure you have a plan it move it after you buy it.

Tooling becomes expensive really really fast: A quick change tool post, centers, chuck, and some cutters will cost you a grand for the cheap stuff. The more you can buy either with the lathe or used the better off you are.
 

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A South Bend 13" can be moved easily with a standard engine hoist, no disassembly required. Most lathes in the 10"-12" range move fairly easily as well. Some of the big boys, even with small swings, are heavy as hell. These are pretty easy to recognize after you look at a few. I bought a 10" Logan tabletop lathe first and quickly moved on to the SB 13. Then I picked up a 10" Sheldon because I could. Sold the Logan and will probably sell one of the others eventually.
 

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I just bought a lathe.
Classes are good but books? Is this the 50s because everything is on youtube now.

JMO but its unlikely most will ever learn enough on youtube or forums to become even a half decent hobbyist, let alone have your work mistaken as professional. I follow quite a few youtube machinists and have followed PM since day one, I'd wager I learned more during a few classes in college than I have collectively online since.
 

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I just bought a lathe.
Classes are good but books? Is this the 50s because everything is on youtube now. Whenever I want to know how to do something, BAM, there it is, in a step by step video.
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This made me laugh. I've watched so many vid's that were just plain wrong it's scary. If you can machine without a machinery's hand book then your just hacking metal.

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This made me laugh. I've watched so many vid's that were just plain wrong it's scary. If you can machine without a machinery's hand book then your just hacking metal.

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I'm glad I could entertain! I own a machinery's handbook and rarely use it. Most of that info is on reputable webpages. This is nothing ground breaking here but I hacked out 6 of these (see image) in my garage a couple weeks ago without any classes or how-to books.

I just wanted to add an alternative to classes and books. If the OP wants to go that route, I'm sure they will be successful. :thumbup:
 

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