Cloplay door gage
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wssix99
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Are you installing this yourself?
jstroede
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According to that, it is 27 ga inside and out.
Generally it is a different model for a different gauge.
And it is CLOPAY. I don't know what pisses me off more, CLOPLAY or ELDERBROCK.
wssix99
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My Clopay doors are great. ...I haven't found a Clopay dealer/installer worth a damn, though.
The Clopay brochure for this door talks a lot about 24 ga steel on some models, but is non-specific for all the variants.
^ That's why this question is so important as to how to get to the truth.
The Clopay brochure for this door talks a lot about 24 ga steel on some models, but is non-specific for all the variants.
I do not want to install myself. I am making it very clear that if the installers show up without the right tools or do not appear to know what they are doing they will be sent home! I am fed up with the BS.
Thanks for the response greatly appreciated. I am old school and use to think the same models would be the same, now I question everything and am wondering if dealers can order the same model number in different gage? I will try Cloplay next week but doubt they will rat out their dealers.
Cloplay and other's brochures seem to want to show fancy pictures and not give a lot of detail!
wssix99
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Home Depot has an excellent Clopay program. If you find a skilled salesperson (that is probably the biggest lift), they can call Home Depot's dedicated Clopay hotline and get whatever information you want. I have worked this channel to get custom commercial doors put together.
Home Depot offers install services, which will vary by locality. (They use local contractors.) From the interactions I have had and my prior life selling doors and windows, you have a better chance of getting what you want (if you know exactly what you want) going through Home Depot. With a dealer/installer, you run the risk of bait & switch and/or unwillingness to customize.
If you want a sturdy door - go with the Clopay Commercial doors! The Commercial doors use thicker steel and have heavier duty tracks. The downside is that the Commercial doors come in fewer styles and colors. You can also order residential doors with commercial tracks - but this is another example of something to work through Home Depot as a special order. (They won't be able to configure this in their computer in the store, but the Clopay reps on the hotline can do it as a special order and send the price and P.O. back to the store for you.)
I have flush Commercial Clopay doors that bookend our alley. Of course... they have taken a few baseballs and other items head on and haven't dented. The only dent is from my wife being careless with a sledge hammer. We also had a car run into one door and were able to order replacement panels from Clopay 9 years after our original order - no problem. All we had to do was get them the numbers on the side of the original door and they were able to re-make the parts for us.
Home Depot offers install services, which will vary by locality. (They use local contractors.) From the interactions I have had and my prior life selling doors and windows, you have a better chance of getting what you want (if you know exactly what you want) going through Home Depot. With a dealer/installer, you run the risk of bait & switch and/or unwillingness to customize.
If you want a sturdy door - go with the Clopay Commercial doors! The Commercial doors use thicker steel and have heavier duty tracks. The downside is that the Commercial doors come in fewer styles and colors. You can also order residential doors with commercial tracks - but this is another example of something to work through Home Depot as a special order. (They won't be able to configure this in their computer in the store, but the Clopay reps on the hotline can do it as a special order and send the price and P.O. back to the store for you.)
I have flush Commercial Clopay doors that bookend our alley. Of course... they have taken a few baseballs and other items head on and haven't dented. The only dent is from my wife being careless with a sledge hammer. We also had a car run into one door and were able to order replacement panels from Clopay 9 years after our original order - no problem. All we had to do was get them the numbers on the side of the original door and they were able to re-make the parts for us.
Thanks for the input. I did stop at HD and talk to a lady there. There is one person in windows and doors that seems to know what he is doing. I am in south west Florida, there is tons of construction here even more so so now after the hurricane went through. So finding a good installer of anything is difficult. Bought our carpet from HD and after the installer who came to repair it had to replace about 1/3!
I also stopped at Lowes and wish I would have videoed it! Hi I'd like to get a price on a garage door. Do you want it installed? Yes I would. Don't buy it here we are having all kinds of problems with the installer. OK, can you give me a price on just the door? We don't even want to sell doors, they are coming in missing parts and damaged, nothing but trouble. Who makes your doors? Wayne Dalton.
I hate pushy hard sell salesman LOL
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wssix99
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At least you know that anything is possible with Clopay! i expect that you will need a Windcode door where you are located. This probably gives you effectively the same thing as a residential door with commercial tracks and hardware - plus some additional reinforcement.
You might try starting with these resources and contacting Clopay at the address on this page for questions: https://www.clopaydoor.com/wind (The brochures on this page are also good.)
You might try starting with these resources and contacting Clopay at the address on this page for questions: https://www.clopaydoor.com/wind (The brochures on this page are also good.)
Yes I want hurricane door even though my 37 year old cheap builder grade door has survived numerous hurricanes including a direct hit from the latest Ian, I was within inches of being flooded. Oddly in permit crazed Florida my small corner of it does not require a permit for garage door according to the salesman. I am told to buy a non hurricane door a release needs to be signed, not sure on that.At least you know that anything is possible with Clopay! i expect that you will need a Windcode door where you are located. This probably gives you effectively the same thing as a residential door with commercial tracks and hardware - plus some additional reinforcement.
You might try starting with these resources and contacting Clopay at the address on this page for questions: https://www.clopaydoor.com/wind (The brochures on this page are also good.)
wssix99
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You might check your quotes and confirm if they are for Windcode doors. I suppose one the Windcode door could use thicker steel, but I couldn't imagine why. (I'd only expect them to add reinforcement.)
So far all quotes are for windcode doors, The salesmen and brochures are not real clear about gage. Tear out and install are running $600-$1200. It does appear they are adding reinforcement to regular doors.
jstroede
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The W6 designation is a windload designation. W6 for Clopay is around 40 psf design rating. The problem with retrofits is that even if you put that door in, the structure isn't going to withstand that load. At 40 psf design load on a 16x7, that is 4480 lbs of load on the vertical jambs. I'm not saying that windload isn't good, but most likely it is going to be stronger than the structure.
I don't know of anyone that has one model with multiple gauges. Not saying it doesn't happen, but that would be a nightmare for manufacturing. All of the companies offer about any gauge and design of door that you want. If you want a 24 ga door, they are out there. Step outside of the box stores and get to an actual dealer/distributor to get exactly what you want. They are all over down in Florida.
John
I don't know of anyone that has one model with multiple gauges. Not saying it doesn't happen, but that would be a nightmare for manufacturing. All of the companies offer about any gauge and design of door that you want. If you want a 24 ga door, they are out there. Step outside of the box stores and get to an actual dealer/distributor to get exactly what you want. They are all over down in Florida.
John
AFAIK, the Clopay 3 layer garage doors (steel outer skin, foam insulating middle layer, and steel inner skin) can be ordered in two different constructions.
The EPS foam board inner and steel skins is 24 gauge steel IIRC. The foam is just in between the two steel skins and is not bonded to the steel, still three separate layers of steel/foam board/steel. In a 2" thick panel, this is supposed to be R9.0.
The Intellicore foamed-in-place construction has the polyurethane foam injected in between the steel skins during construction (think spray foam) and uses thinner 27 gauge steel skins IIRC, The foam bonds to the steel as it cures and makes the panel 'one piece'. In a 2" thick panel, this is supposed to be R18.4.
The Intellicore doors seem more 'solid' than the EPS foam board versions, even though the steel skin is thinner on the Intellicore doors. Amazing what foaming the door during construction and having that polyurethane foam bond to the steel skins does for the feel of the door compared to separate skins and a foam board just in between the skins. Oh, and the higher density of the polyurethane foam versus the EPS foam makes a difference too in the feel and insulation of the door.
A Clopay 4305 is their 3-layer EPS R9.0 2" door from their Modern Steel product line with a "modern grooved" panel style with a "stucco" surface texture.
Note that a 4305W6 is NOT Florida, Dade, or Texas approved per this Clopay document (Pages 26-27) https://literature.clopay.com/pdf_files/RSDR-WCBR-12.pdf
The EPS foam board inner and steel skins is 24 gauge steel IIRC. The foam is just in between the two steel skins and is not bonded to the steel, still three separate layers of steel/foam board/steel. In a 2" thick panel, this is supposed to be R9.0.
The Intellicore foamed-in-place construction has the polyurethane foam injected in between the steel skins during construction (think spray foam) and uses thinner 27 gauge steel skins IIRC, The foam bonds to the steel as it cures and makes the panel 'one piece'. In a 2" thick panel, this is supposed to be R18.4.
The Intellicore doors seem more 'solid' than the EPS foam board versions, even though the steel skin is thinner on the Intellicore doors. Amazing what foaming the door during construction and having that polyurethane foam bond to the steel skins does for the feel of the door compared to separate skins and a foam board just in between the skins. Oh, and the higher density of the polyurethane foam versus the EPS foam makes a difference too in the feel and insulation of the door.
A Clopay 4305 is their 3-layer EPS R9.0 2" door from their Modern Steel product line with a "modern grooved" panel style with a "stucco" surface texture.
Note that a 4305W6 is NOT Florida, Dade, or Texas approved per this Clopay document (Pages 26-27) https://literature.clopay.com/pdf_files/RSDR-WCBR-12.pdf
mike93lx
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That must have some magical foam to get 18.4 out of 2"
Maybe some high-density foam.
Or they are lying about the insulation, kind of like Crapsman and other makes claimed 5 HP air compressors and wet-dry vacs running on a standard 15 amp 120V wall outlet.
I do remember tapping my knuckle on the 2" foamed-in-place door panel and it was noticeably more 'solid' than the same 2" EPS 'loose' board panel, even though the EPS panel had slightly thicker steel skins than the Intellicore foamed door.
mike93lx
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I feel like it's shenanigans. 6.5-7 per inch is about all I think you can get out of spray foam. Bonding to the panel shouldn't make a material difference in r blue, but it will definitely make it feel better and be stronger
jstroede
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Yes, EPS doors have the steel skins bonded to the foam core. It wouldn't function if it weren't glued together. Urethane foam doors will always seem more solid than EPS doors because there are no air cavities in the urethane doors that exist in the eps doors (namely in the section joint areas and behind the stamps if it has them).
I linked to the Florida product approval above. The literature is out of date or incorrect.
I am not an expert on Clopay products, but the drawing seems to indicate that the 4305 is a 27 ga skin.
jstroede
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They are all lies. Look for doors that have been U factor tested to get the real story.