Hanging Fixtures using EMT Fittings

[rcleaver]

Does that mean the pissin' contest is over?
Who pissed the farthest?
Come on guys. There hasn't been enough name calling yet.

BTW, if I hang upside down from an electrified chandelier, does that pass code?

 

[LoneGunman]

"After evaluating the design and the costs to place the box, female receptacle, cover plate, male plug, I am going as you all suggest with rigid conduit. My reluctance to do so in the first place was due to the threading of the Rigid Pipe and trying to have all ten of the lights come out at the same level and in a straight line."

"The whip was made of SO Cable hidden in a piece of MC overwrap and a male three prong 120v 15 amp plug with a cord grip to the fixture."


******* match over and I will try to remember "how" things are said and how they may be taken by someone else. The design, as you have posted in the last pic is fine, I had no idea, or did anyone else know you had SJ cord inside of a piece of MC armor. The only remark I made about your last pic was the MC cable with a cord cap.

Why not keep the design you like (the EMT mounting), do away with the cordcap as it does take away from an otherwise clean installation and use a piece of MC cable as a whip from the fixture to a 1900 (4 square) box mounted directly over the fixture? Tie wrap the MC to the EMT so it's not obvious. You get the clean look you are after and it is a code compliant installation.

Or go with the RMC and do it like you originally wanted to.

 

[chevelle64]

Everybody puts their own stamp on their garages. That's what makes us all unique. I say, do your own thing and enjoy it. Get opinions and suggestions from others, but ultimately, it's your choice. I personally do things that others would not do, but that's what makes the world go 'round. BTW - I like how the lights are hung.

 

[dipper]

If it were my garage, I would have hid the wires in the emt like you showed in your first post. I would have used galvanized pipe and fittings for a better hold though, or got rid of the set screws and put a bolt all the way through.
It looks good and It's your garage. Do what you want, just make sure it's safe.

 

[atvmech]

porschedude996TT, ive seen 8' fluorescent lights hung from the ceiling just as you have done. You did great, i would not have went back and changed your original design at all...

You guys mean to tell me a set screw wont hold that fixture? I dont know about you guys but the last thing i will be doing is getting rough with my lights! When a setscrew is SET it puts a dimple into the pipe and really the only way for it to come off is to be unscrewed and pulled off...

Pendant lights sometimes hang from small gauge wire...BUT this is not as strong....CRAZY

Not everybody is a BMW,,clean freak, no code breaking, ****, negative jerk
....there are some like myself that have other things to worry about such as what you have in the garage. I believe you guys do have some GREAT GREAT advice, but you have to look at who your are giving the advice to....are you giving advice to a guy that owns a BMW and is **** about everything he owns, or is this the guy with a bare bones garage that wants a place to work on his 83' long bed chevy 3/4 ton with about 13" of lift.....dont care what you say, those are 2 different people!!

I lurked around this board for awhile, seemed pretty cool, joined, and get ripped a new one, I dont care, because for as many of you jerks this board has there has also been some good ole boys ive found, and thats why im still on here.

porschedude996TT, GOOD JOB!!

 

[Charles (in GA)]

The OP made this statement in the beginning of his post................

Is this legal? I mean to use the tubing and the fittings to hold the fixture from the ceiling? The eletrical wiring would be down one of the tubes.

Based on that, he got alot of answers. Short and sweet of it is, no, it isn't legal.

Charles

 

[LoneGunman]

"Not everybody is a BMW,,clean freak, no code breaking, ****, negative jerk
....there are some like myself that have other things to worry about such as what you have in the garage."


Ummmmm yeah, well you have the honor of writing the most idiotic post I have read on here. The guy is getting an ELECTRICAL INSPECTION, so he had better worry about the code. So, sure go ahead and not worry about your electricial system and only worry about what you have in your garage, I NEED more people like you in my area.

 

[atvmech]

OK LONEGUNMAN...

idiotic? no...

Where i live there is no CODE....with that being said Mr. Gung-Ho electrician man....you...tell me.....and be honest....for just a SECOND take off your code abiding hat and be realistic...

WAS THE MANS IDEA BAD?
DO YOU -REALLY- THINK IT WILL FALL??
DO YOU LIGHTS TAKE THAT MUCH ABUSE?

Lets think about the abilities of a set screw

-centrifugal clutch on a go kart...held on by a set screw...but its not good enough to hold a light fixture??

-Pulleys on a paint mixing bank, all held on by a set screw churning tons of gallons of paint..?? But wont HOLD a light fixture??

-Pillar bearings connecting 2 seperate shafts....held by set screws....but not good enough to hold a light fixture..?

I can already see Im wasting my time and you dont get the jest of what im trying to say...

And as far as needing people like me? I wouldnt do business with somebody that had an attitude like yours...sorry...something to think about

 

[walrus]

Lets think about the abilities of a set screw

-centrifugal clutch on a go kart...held on by a set screw...but its not good enough to hold a light fixture??

-Pulleys on a paint mixing bank, all held on by a set screw churning tons of gallons of paint..?? But wont HOLD a light fixture??

-Pillar bearings connecting 2 seperate shafts....held by set screws....but not good enough to hold a light fixture..?

I can already see Im wasting my time and you dont get the jest of what im trying to say...

And as far as needing people like me? I wouldnt do business with somebody that had an attitude like yours...sorry...something to think about

The question was, "is this legal" .

A set screw for a centrifigal clutch is going into a solid piece of steel, a set screw for an EMT fitting is going into hollow thin wall tubing, not quite the same. EMT fittings can be steel or die cast, die cast fitting aren't very rugged and easily broken.

I think what the original poster did would work but I don't think it would pass inspection.

 

[Willy Victor]

I must say this has been one enjoyable read and a very spirited disussion. Thank you all.


Willy

 

[LoneGunman]

OK LONEGUNMAN...

idiotic? no...

Where i live there is no CODE....with that being said Mr. Gung-Ho electrician man....you...tell me.....and be honest....for just a SECOND take off your code abiding hat and be realistic...

WAS THE MANS IDEA BAD?
DO YOU -REALLY- THINK IT WILL FALL??
DO YOU LIGHTS TAKE THAT MUCH ABUSE?

Lets think about the abilities of a set screw

-centrifugal clutch on a go kart...held on by a set screw...but its not good enough to hold a light fixture??

-Pulleys on a paint mixing bank, all held on by a set screw churning tons of gallons of paint..?? But wont HOLD a light fixture??

-Pillar bearings connecting 2 seperate shafts....held by set screws....but not good enough to hold a light fixture..?

I can already see Im wasting my time and you dont get the jest of what im trying to say...

And as far as needing people like me? I wouldnt do business with somebody that had an attitude like yours...sorry...something to think about

Where you live there is no code huh? I find that hard to believe, post your location, county is fine. Besides, what difference does it make if your claim is true and you have no code? The OP has a code, so yet again you make more moronic statements that have absolutely nothing to do with this post.

Yes, you are wasting your time because you obviously do not have the ability to understand simple logic. What part of he has an inspection do you not ******** get? I mean holy ****, I don't know how else to explain it to you, you are either a total ***** or you do not understand the consequences of not following the code. If he does not follow the code, he fails his inspection, he either corrects the code violations within a set time frame or he gets fined, blow the fines off they build up until they lien the house or declare the house as unsafe and remove him from the premises.

"WAS THE MANS IDEA BAD?
DO YOU -REALLY- THINK IT WILL FALL??
DO YOU LIGHTS TAKE THAT MUCH ABUSE?"

NO TO ALL OF THE ABOVE, as I've said and so have others who do have a clue. It has nothing to do what works, he asked if it was legal, it is not. If you don't have the ability to comprehend that then I don't know what else to tell you.

Don't worry, we would not do business with people such as yourself either, it's not worth the aggravation trying to deal with someone who can't understand something so simple such as you must follow the code if you want to pass an inspection. I hope to hell you never move to an area that requires inspections, you'd loose your house due to the fines you racked up by refusing to comply.

 

[Aceman]

Wow....this topic really snowballed!

Just something I've noticed after answering other posts in the past asking for code advice. It seems everytime a diyer asks for opinions after the install, and it doesn't go the direction he/forum wants, it turns into a big debate. What it all boils down too, like LG said above, is the inspector. Does winning an argument on an internet forum help in any way come inspection time? No. People just need to chill out and realize that trying to convince a bunch of us on here that the installation won't fall to the ground, has no bearing on what the inspector thinks. If some of us cite code articles, don't make excuses for not following protocol, just live with the fact you probably won't pass.

My personal opinion is you guys can do whatever you like in your own homes, but if you ask for code articles because you're trying to do it right, I'll help you if I can. But arguing with us because you don't see the reasoning behind the code articles we gave you accomplishes nothing.

The smart move would be to ask for code advice before you install it if you're unsure.

 

[rinny_tin_tin]

Wow....this topic really snowballed!

Just something I've noticed after answering other posts in the past asking for code advice. It seems everytime a diyer asks for opinions after the install, and it doesn't go the direction he/forum wants, it turns into a big debate. What it all boils down too, like LG said above, is the inspector. Does winning an argument on an internet forum help in any way come inspection time? No. People just need to chill out and realize that trying to convince a bunch of us on here that the installation won't fall to the ground, has no bearing on what the inspector thinks. If some of us cite code articles, don't make excuses for not following protocol, just live with the fact you probably won't pass.

My personal opinion is you guys can do whatever you like in your own homes, but if you ask for code articles because you're trying to do it right, I'll help you if I can. But arguing with us because you don't see the reasoning behind the code articles we gave you accomplishes nothing.

The smart move would be to ask for code advice before you install it if you're unsure.

If it was just a matter of reading code articles, then this forum would likely not be here. Besides, interpretation of the so-called code articles is just as likely to stimulate as spirited a discussion here as it does on the code-making panels. On more than one occasion, I have seen Mark Early and others dodge a chair or some other flying object. I see the purpose of this type of fora to not only educate and enrich with knowledge, but to invite innovation. Inevitably, some will quote code and render interpretation as matters of immutable fact - when even opinions expressed by the respective CMP will widely vary. More importantly, and in many case, the basis of the "code" is lost to not only the casual user, but even among the respective CMP. Inasmuch as I agree with you that arguing as the reasoning behind the code to be pointless, such argument may indeed resurrect or provide insight into its basis. Besides - this is an internet forum ...one would be unrealistic if they expected better behavior here than in a real-life committee meeting .

 

[mmg440]

Wow....this topic really snowballed!

Just something I've noticed after answering other posts in the past asking for code advice. It seems everytime a diyer asks for opinions after the install, and it doesn't go the direction he/forum wants, it turns into a big debate. What it all boils down too, like LG said above, is the inspector. Does winning an argument on an internet forum help in any way come inspection time? No. People just need to chill out and realize that trying to convince a bunch of us on here that the installation won't fall to the ground, has no bearing on what the inspector thinks. If some of us cite code articles, don't make excuses for not following protocol, just live with the fact you probably won't pass.

My personal opinion is you guys can do whatever you like in your own homes, but if you ask for code articles because you're trying to do it right, I'll help you if I can. But arguing with us because you don't see the reasoning behind the code articles we gave you accomplishes nothing.

The smart move would be to ask for code advice before you install it if you're unsure.

I believe that is just what happened here porschedude996TT did ask for advice BEFORE the install.
If you look back at his pictures you will see he has the light unit mounted to a 2x4 held up by a ladder on each side. I would appear he was asking before. I do like his idea. I did not like the set screw.(his update is solid code or not). If it was originally showed in rigged or pipe it may have never been in question. It may have not passed some inspectors but I would think with rigid like a fan mount it would probley not be questioned.

 

[hidollartoys]

Porsche: Why dont you hang just one fixture for the inspection and after you recieve your CO go back and do what you want?

 

[Mr_fixit]

I enjoyed the discussion, But, I don't think these really do anything but hurt the discussion..


"moronic, idiotic, 5hit, clueless, blind, don't give a damn, do not have the ability to understand simple logic, ********, holy ****, total *****, and can't understand something so simple"

 

[LoneGunman]

I enjoyed the discussion, But, I don't think these really do anything but hurt the discussion..


"moronic, idiotic, 5hit, clueless, blind, don't give a damn, do not have the ability to understand simple logic, ********, holy ****, total *****, and can't understand something so simple"

And your post somehow adds something to the discussion? If the shoe fits, wear it.

 

[Ryan]

I think a few of you need to learn a little bit more respectful to other users... Closed cuz I'm not running a kindergarten.