hamburglar
Well-known member
- Joined
- Mar 10, 2008
- Messages
- 523
...........
Last edited:
I must be missing something here (eBay)
- Thread starter hamburglar
- Start date
Lyaec350
Well-known member
Isn't the kicker that those are just rebadged Craftsman pliers... get the whole set for $75 @ Sears...
l_bilyk
Well-known member
yeah, but i bet that set didnt come with a snap-on hat!
Deafautotech
Well-known member
wow!!! my new mac tool guy come in with district Manager two weeks ago and sell us the 10 dollar a plier (any kind) in bucket as i bought two pliers that i used a lot but i paid 20 dollars for it and it would be over 80 dollars for both if it is not special discount by district manager.... i just dont like new mac tool guy because he just show the tools to me and say nothing.... my snap on guy and matco tool guy will write down and show me a paper to tell me what is their special or messages..
i am understand that my new mac tool dont know how to communcation with me which he dont know what he can to do... i did told them to write down what they want tell me... i dont do lipreading...
i am understand that my new mac tool dont know how to communcation with me which he dont know what he can to do... i did told them to write down what they want tell me... i dont do lipreading...
nissan_crawler
Well-known member
Ok, so are these actually rebadged cheapo's or what? How about some info?
If they're good pliers, I have no trouble believing that price.
This drawer cost over $700 alone.
If they're good pliers, I have no trouble believing that price.
This drawer cost over $700 alone.
Deafautotech
Well-known member
Ok, so are these actually rebadged cheapo's or what? How about some info?
If they're good pliers, I have no trouble believing that price.
This drawer cost over $700 alone.
what kind of pliers that you bought?? i am curious because i dont see them as snap on or mac tools????
Merkava_4
Banned
MajorPayne
Active member
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2008
- Messages
- 37
most of those are knipex....matco, cornwell, and snap on sell those...as well as others possibly
edit: you guys beat me to it
edit: you guys beat me to it
Deafautotech
Well-known member
Comon now. You should know which ones those are. How long you been here?
i was joined this forum since jan 2007 and the picture is not clear to see what is brands on pliers... if it said over 700 dollars then it should be snap on....
nissan_crawler
Well-known member
Ok, I should have worded that better. I was asking if the MAC pliers in the auction are rebadged cheapos or not. If they aren't, then I can see the price they're going for pretty easily. Yes, that's almost all knipex except for 4 sunex needlenoses and one set of snapon dykes.
i was joined this forum since jan 2007 and the picture is not clear to see what is brands on pliers... if it said over 700 dollars then it should be snap on....
Haha, no worries. We're just yanking your chain.
But comon...those Cobra jaws should have given them away.
Lyaec350
Well-known member
They sure look like the Craftsman regular line... dunno if that qualifies as "cheapies" or not.
chad s
Well-known member
You know dang well those are all Knipex accept for the Sunnex nose pliers.
Uh Oh, I just caught Merkava with a grammar error!
Fedwrench
ALLIANCE MEMBER
Looking at the pliers in the auction, they are Taiwanese Mac pliers. I don't know why anyone would bid so high unless, they don't intend to pay. I don't think Mac sells a 10 piece set of pliers that are US made anymore. Lately Ebay auctions are kind of like the subprime mortgage mess, people pay way too much for an auction and then default.
Merkava_4
Banned
except/accept - dang it to hell!
chad s
Well-known member
except/accept - dang it to hell!
haha, I just had to call it after you caught my spelling errors a few times!
OP
hamburglar
Well-known member
- Joined
- Mar 10, 2008
- Messages
- 523
...........
Last edited:
T56 Impala
Well-known member
Sorry, but there ain't now way I'm spending that much on a pliers drawer. Every pair I have ever had, top quality or not, just get torn up too quickly. Thank, but I will stick to my Costco bought 27 pc set that was 30 and the few Kobalt ones I have. Yikes, $700 really? Mind if I ask what you do with them? I'm not being snotty, I would just like to know how one justifys that kind of money for pliers.
nissan_crawler
Well-known member
I use them, and expect them to last for years. the cheap Chinese ones I've had don't make two years. The round off, and the pivot wears out. I also have problems with bending the jaws on the chinese ones when clamping down on something, and the handles flex so much they can touch when you're trying to grip something. I prefer the quality pliers. This is just my home set, my work set is craftsman/sk/snapon, and is going to get up graded to mostly knipes also, when I get the money.
Those type of ads bug me. They are selling MAC tools and "keyword spamming" by putting Snap-on at the end to get hits when searching Snap-on.
l_bilyk
Well-known member
eschoendorff
Well-known member
Forget that.. i just bought all these and i didn't spend much over $100
Gotta love teh Channellocks. I even dig the color!
nissan_crawler
Well-known member
Channellocks are good mid-grade tools, but don't come close to the quality of Knipex, IMHO. Each to their own, it's a matter of what you're willing to pay for.
eschoendorff
Well-known member
You really think so? In my experience, the Channellocks are maybe a little more bulky than their Knipex cousins, but I have seen Channellocks survive some pretty heinous stuff. I feel that they are perhaps the most underrated value in hand tools...
I have Knipex, Facom, Snap On, Craftsman, Channellock all represented in my plier arsenal. Facom is always my first choice. But I have never falt taht my Channellocks were inferior. Just not my first choice. If everything was stolen tomorrow, knowing what I know now (Facom is now under Stanley control), my plier drawer would probably look a lot like I_bilyk's.
Just curious, what exactly are the quality differences? Are there metallurgic differences and if so what are they?
I don't think that you have to validate the purchase of your pliers by making comments about the quality of other tool makers unless you have evidence to support your claims.
My plier selection consists of Proto, Channel-Lock, Gray Tools, Klein, and Craftsman. I like the Klein products the best because they feel good in my hands. I have nothing bad to say about the rest and use them frequently. Some of the pliers are over 60 years old (from my grandfather) and are completely serviceable.
Your pliers selection looks great and if you feel it is worth $700 then that is all that matters. IMHO
Wow that was scary. I thought my post came up twice.
I guess great minds think alike.
nissan_crawler
Well-known member
alloy differences? No clue. Yes, I've had channel locks, SK, Craftsman Pro, Snap-On, Knipex, Mac, and a few others (no Klein, except their wire stuff, which I like). I much prefer the knipex in fit and wear. Granted, I like the Snap-On stuff, but I don't think the quality is worth the price. I think the Knipex brings the overall quality with a good price. Knipex pliers are much tighter in the joints so the jaws always line up (pet peeve of mine), the teeth don't round off like the other brands do (I don't mean they'll never do it, just not nearly like other brands), and the grips hold up far better to chemicals and such than the other brands do (with the exception of Craftsman Pro's, for some odd reason, you can NOT find anything that will touch those grips). I've literally melted the handles on some other brands. They also don't get surface rust like some of the other brands do, although weirdly, Craftsman Pro is pretty good about not doing it also.
I also have had less problems with Knipex with bending the heads so the tips don't shut when closed.
I also dislike (another pet peeve) the "floating" design (whatever it's called) of adjustment that channellocks have. Every time I'm trying to fish a pair of pliers in somewhere, they end up two grooves from where I intended. I can drop the knipex, fully open the handles, stick them in my pocket, wave them around, whatever. I quite often have to reach for tools I can't see and them put them in areas I can't see, while working on things I can't see. This leads to constant "adjustment" and frustration with other pliers, unlike the knipex. They're still going to be set for the size I wanted.
I also have had less problems with Knipex with bending the heads so the tips don't shut when closed.
I also dislike (another pet peeve) the "floating" design (whatever it's called) of adjustment that channellocks have. Every time I'm trying to fish a pair of pliers in somewhere, they end up two grooves from where I intended. I can drop the knipex, fully open the handles, stick them in my pocket, wave them around, whatever. I quite often have to reach for tools I can't see and them put them in areas I can't see, while working on things I can't see. This leads to constant "adjustment" and frustration with other pliers, unlike the knipex. They're still going to be set for the size I wanted.
Last edited:
eschoendorff
Well-known member
So in your case, Knipex makes sense. But I don't think that anything you have offered is evidence of Channellock making a mid-grade tool....
nissan_crawler
Well-known member
Perhaps "mid-grade" is a misnomer, everybody has a different idea of that. Do I think it's as good as Sk, Craftsman, etc.? Yes. Do I think it's as good as Snap-On or Knipex, no.
l_bilyk
Well-known member
I don't know about that... Knipex makes some innovative specialty pliers that others don't. But aside from that I wouldn't be surprised if it's the same steel (ordered out of a catalog) and the same laser or induction hardening process used on the edges. I guess you could consider them a mid-grade tool because they are pretty basic and don't get into all kinds of fancy molded handles or extra features.
Are you talking about the current series of Craftsman Pro pliers (red/black handles) or older ones that were all black?
nissan_crawler
Well-known member
red/black handles
I see, thanks. I just bought a set, but I am thinking whether to order a set of equivalent Knipex pliers (also set of Cobras) and return Craftsmans to Sears....
Craftsman Pro plires are kinda nice but I am not sure I want comfort grips on all types of pliers... also I compared Craftsman Pro slip joints to regular Craftsman ones I have and they are almost the same sams handles - both made by Western Forge. I am guessing the quality is not that great and since Knipex can be bought online for not much more....
Craftsman Pro plires are kinda nice but I am not sure I want comfort grips on all types of pliers... also I compared Craftsman Pro slip joints to regular Craftsman ones I have and they are almost the same sams handles - both made by Western Forge. I am guessing the quality is not that great and since Knipex can be bought online for not much more....
Last edited:
nissan_crawler
Well-known member
That's the obvious choice to me. Had I known what I do now, my work box would be damn near 100% knipex.
As far as Channellocks go, I think they are very nice pliers, especially for the price and USA made, but I do not like the grips at all. Maybe I have delicate hands or something, but the grips feel really hard. The Craftsman grips are a bit more cushiony, but the Snappys take the cake for comfort in my book. I have never used Knipex or some of the others, so I cannot comment on those.
It still amazes me that if you go to Lowes the (made in USA!!) Channellock pliers are only a few bucks more than the cheapy made in China stuff hanging next to them. I admit that I have bought the cheap version of stuff before, but not to save only a couple of bucks.
billymade
Well-known member
I cannot tell any difference between the pro and regular craftsman pliers; the only difference I have been able to see is the grips and the price!