Monte German five point sockets.
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beelsr
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Here's a pair of FACOM ones I bought maybe 10 years ago and have never used. They were on clearance for something like a dollar and bumped my total over the free shipping line so I don't really worry about it.
What are "Monte German five point sockets" ??
ahhhh the sockets for the "Smart".
My brother managed to strike a 6 point socket on the 5 point screw head . Works !!
So no need for them but thanks - since i never could find any manufacturer from Germany who offers them.
ahhhh the sockets for the "Smart".
My brother managed to strike a 6 point socket on the 5 point screw head . Works !!
So no need for them but thanks - since i never could find any manufacturer from Germany who offers them.
mrholeshot
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Those are for pulling the hood ornaments off of Chryslers, lol
Not sure if the OP had a question or what, but, they are used in security applications: Five point sockets are not that common and an adjustable won't work because there are no parallel sides. Of course, as Monte noted, other things can be 'adapted' to work.
MrMark
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They are used by Edison to keep people out of their hand holes. SO sells the socket if I remember correctly, it is called a "buffalo socket" for unknown reasons.
beelsr
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that's easy...
back in the infancy of electricity, the war was between edison with DC and Westinghouse/Tesla with AC. AC scored it's first big win by using Niagara Falls as the power source (hydro) and transmitting the power to buffalo. After that, AC ran the table and DC faded from use...
back in the infancy of electricity, the war was between edison with DC and Westinghouse/Tesla with AC. AC scored it's first big win by using Niagara Falls as the power source (hydro) and transmitting the power to buffalo. After that, AC ran the table and DC faded from use...
When you crack a Hazet 6 point and it isn't warranted. You now have a source for two sockets.What are "Monte German five point sockets" ??
ahhhh the sockets for the "Smart".
My brother managed to strike a 6 point socket on the 5 point screw head . Works !!
So no need for them but thanks - since i never could find any manufacturer from Germany who offers them.
mrholeshot
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Actually they are used on the brake calipers on Peugeot. This is so you can honestly tell someone "Im sorry we don't have the tools required to repair your vehicle". This make the technician happy and keeps one of those POS from sitting in a bay of your shop waiting on a part to ship from BFE. This from the same car company that brought you the inverted taper 10mm square drive oil drain plug (as well as Renault and Citroen) None of which past the front door of my shop.
cowboy73
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Our water meter out in front of the house has a five point bolt on it.
it worked with a cheapo socket which is still intact. The screw edges are damged though. But a hex screw was installed anyway.
Givl Reggin
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The valve on top of fire hydrants is 5-sided and I have yet to see a sod installer use anything except a pipe wrench to turn it!
lol.
The oil drain plug at least should be usable with a 3/8" extension. Aside from numbering the cylinders wrong(!) there didn't seem to be too much stupid baked into the 505s that my friend owned (and we tinkered with). Major parts were actually pretty easy to find (living in one of PSA's biggest American markets probably helps a bit tho).
Which ones used the five sided fasteners on the brakes?
Moose-LandTran
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Ooh! I have one of those!
Yeah, Bendix brakes i think, front brakes on older PSA cars and rear brakes on some new-ish ones. (206 with rear discs to name one) I have that socket at work. I also have a 5-point socket driver for some Girling brakes, but have yet to use it.
Some early VAG FSI (1.4 & 1.6 engines) high pressure pumps use 5-point bolts.
I think some Vauxhall/Opel Zafiras use 5-point bolts on the rear brakes too.
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I've came across one of thoses last month... They are used on the two nitrogen gas chambers a Montabert hydraulic rock breaker (huge jackhammer installed on a crane boom). The reason for the non-standard socket is to prevent a non-trained mechanic to open the pressurised gas section (200-300 psi) by mistake. Anyway, Montabert dont either use normal schrader valves to insert nitrogen... so we have to get them filled at the dealer.
Here we say; if you can't make a peugeot run properly; the car is not the only one to have a problem.
They are used on 205 206 306 309 405, bx, zx, xsara...all the ones that use the bendix calipers like said before.You only need them to separate the steel pads guide from the aluminum body of the caliper, since exchange calipers come with their steel guide let's say you never need them.
Don't forget that the pads have an offset, the external one must be mounted lower than the inner one.
The 10mm square drive of drain plugs is parrallel not tapered browse your SO catalog that you love so much and buy the correct tool.
I thought a Smart car is fairly new this bolt looks like it has been weathered for 10 years on roads with heavy salt.it worked with a cheapo socket which is still intact. The screw edges are damged though. But a hex screw was installed anyway.
Moose-LandTran
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Don't you need to remove the steel carrier to remove the discs?
Those pads are confusing, they're not symmetrical and don't mount the same way!
The pads on the Bimmer are asymmetrical too with the retention device on the back of one pad (inner, I think).
The thing I loved about the 505 was that you could get angry and try to activate the horn, only to realize you're hitting the steering wheel and not the horn switch.
Hell no, just remove the two 19mm head hex bolts and take the whole caliper appart, then you just need some rope or a custom made hook to hold it while you remove the disc.Furthermore most technical guide do not advertise the proper torque for these bolts.
I can relate to that it took me one year to understand why they did not wear evenly here is how I remember it; (the example is given for front brakes since most rear ones have symmetrical pads)
You have to picture where the slides of the caliper are and where the braking force is.
Since the braking force is not in front of the slides it creates a momentum on the caliper that makes the external side of the caliper come closer to the ground.
The non symmetrical mounting of the pads is done so that it compensate the flexion of the caliper.
If needed I"ll take some pictures soon.
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Here we say; if you can't make a peugeot run properly; the car is not the only one to have a problem.
They are used on 205 206 306 309 405, bx, zx, xsara...all the ones that use the bendix calipers like said before.You only need them to separate the steel pads guide from the aluminum body of the caliper, since exchange calipers come with their steel guide let's say you never need them.
Don't forget that the pads have an offset, the external one must be mounted lower than the inner one.
The 10mm square drive of drain plugs is parrallel not tapered browse your SO catalog that you love so much and buy the correct tool.
It's not getting one to run properly thats the problem. Getting parts ( or the right parts) is a ***** (at least in my area). Thats the thing about owning your own shop is you can be selective about what you work on. You don't see many blown LS1 Camaros down at the BMW garage and you didn't see that much Euro trash in my shop (mercedes and bmw was OK) I drew the line at peugeot, Saab,Fiat, Renault and Citreon.
The 10mm drain plug in a Fueago(or ever how you spell that POS)Turbo is tapered. I had to build a tool for them when they first came out. I stuff the plug with clay to make a mold for to make the plug. They may have changed within the first year but thats the way they were.
My shop pretty much specialized in street high performance. Not many pro steet Peugeot on the strret, lol
For the Peugeots that we got stateside, getting parts wasn't too bad (except for the hi-po versions... a number of turbo and Mi16 parts were discontinued pretty early on... oops). It seems like it's gotten much worse over the past year or so, but back when my friend was still into French cars Western Hemispheres out in Santa Cruz, CA stocked a bunch of stuff. FCP Groton in Connecticut stocked stuff too (but it seems like they've gone downhill lately too). There were a couple of other vendors and hobbyists with insane collections around. At that point, you'd even find 504 and 505s in the junk yards around here.
In fact, I'd say Saab's much worse because GM tried pretty hard to screw people over. The Fuego was, FWIW, a Renault. One of the shops down the street from my house has an R5 Turbo that occasionally gets parked on the street. I can't say I'd ever want to work on it... but I sure wouldn't mind driving it.
Where do you live Mrholeshot ?, I assumed that you live in USA but since I 've read fuego I am a little disturbed.
@blarf you should worry about driving the r5turbo
instead of working on it, but you should worry about working on the super5 Gt turbo instead of driving it.
@blarf you should worry about driving the r5turbo
instead of working on it, but you should worry about working on the super5 Gt turbo instead of driving it.Where do you live Mrholeshot ?, I assumed that you live in USA but since I 've read fuego I am a little disturbed.
@blarf you should worry about driving the r5turbo
The Fuego was stoled stateside for a while. Part of the whole AMC / Renault alliance I guess. Even so, lots of cars from that era (or before) managed to get imported semi-legally into the US. There was an R11 on craigslist for a while and yet another neighbor has a 2CV truck he drives around in all the time.
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