RbrtAWhyt
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I found this photo while surfing a motorcycle forum I visit. I don't know anything about the place and the poster didnt offer any info. I pointed him towards this site so perhaps he will come on over...
Neat Little Place
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autoist
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Neat place - but his US flag is displayed incorrectly.
Fighter-of-Wars
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Neat little place. Not much work space though.
Also the flag, it having that fringe on the edge allows it to be hung that way. It also allows makes it to where you don't have to fold it correctly. I don't know what the flag is called, but I do know that it has its differences in caretaking and display rules.
Also the flag, it having that fringe on the edge allows it to be hung that way. It also allows makes it to where you don't have to fold it correctly. I don't know what the flag is called, but I do know that it has its differences in caretaking and display rules.
cletus66
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So is the flag on your postage stamp. Not supposed to be marked on or discarded.
If you're looking out of the shop windows wouldn't it be correct?
Synergy
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Neat place, bike not a fan of.
If you want to get technical on the flag.
http://www.usflag.org/us.code36.html
If you want to get technical on the flag.
http://www.usflag.org/us.code36.html
autoist
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Whether or not the flag has fringes does not change how it is displayed or folded!
However, here's what I'm talking about from 36 U.S.C. 173-178:
SECTION 6: (a) It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.
SECTION 7
i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street.
(o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions, the union should be to the east.
However, here's what I'm talking about from 36 U.S.C. 173-178:
SECTION 6: (a) It is the universal custom to display the flag only from sunrise to sunset on buildings and on stationary flagstaffs in the open. However, when a patriotic effect is desired, the flag may be displayed 24 hours a day if properly illuminated during the hours of darkness.
SECTION 7
i) When displayed either horizontally or vertically against a wall, the union should be uppermost and to the flag's own right, that is, to the observer's left. When displayed in a window, the flag should be displayed in the same way, with the union or blue field to the left of the observer in the street. (o) When the flag is suspended across a corridor or lobby in a building with only one main entrance, it should be suspended vertically with the union of the flag to the observer's left upon entering. If the building has more than one main entrance, the flag should be suspended vertically near the center of the corridor or lobby with the union to the north, when entrances are to the east and west or to the east when entrances are to the north and south. If there are entrances in more than two directions, the union should be to the east.
sammerdog
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Flag hiccup or no flag hiccup, it's a neat set-up. Kudos to the gentleman that built it!
rocketman
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The flag is fine in this humble Viet Nam veteran's opinion! At least he displays it proudly unlike others who seem attached to all things "British"
Anyone have a fawking problem with that?? Autoist?? Any other **** jagoffs want to chime in!
Anyone have a fawking problem with that?? Autoist?? Any other **** jagoffs want to chime in!
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autoist
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As a wounded Vietnam vet, a Desert Storm vet & also a 100% disabled vet (yep, all 3!), I also am glad he displays the flag & shows his patriotism. I've seen too many idiots debasing the flag - that's not what he's doing by any means. He's proud of his flag.
However, I firmly believe if you're gonna display the flag, you need to do it correctly! Anything less is, IMO, showing disrespect - knowingly or not.
How else do we learn unless someone teaches us!
& if you take that as ****, so be it!
wagonmaster
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Hear, hear! I agree and I'll help turn the flag around.....
USMC 1966-70
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USMC 1966-70
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Our American Legion must not know what they are doing then.
autoist
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Actually, the gold fringes makes the flag a military flag. It is supposed to be flown indoor and by the military at special occassions.
THE AUTHORITY FOR FRINGE ON THE FLAG IS SPECIFIED IN ARMY REGULATIONS,
BUT ONLY FOR THE NATIONAL (MILITARY) FLAG !
The following is from the web site of The Institute of Heraldry:
Gold fringe is used on the National flag as an honorable enrichment only. It is not regarded as an integral part of the flag and its use does not constitute an unauthorized addition to the design prescribed by statutes. Records of the Department of the Army indicate that fringe was used on the National flag as early as 1835 and its official use by the Army dates from 1895. There is no record of an Act of Congress or Executive Order which either prescribes or prohibits the addition of fringe, nor is there any indication that any symbolism was ever associated with it. The use of fringe is optional with the person or organization displaying the flag.
And a 1925 Attorney General’s Opinion (34 Op. Atty. Gen 483) states:
"The fringe does not appear to be regarded as an integral part of the flag, and its presence cannot be said to constitute an unauthorized additional to the design prescribed by statute. An external fringe is to be distinguished from letters, words, or emblematic designs printed or superimposed upon the body of the flag itself. Under the law, such additions might be open to objection as unauthorized; but the same is not necessarily true of the fringe.
It is customary to place gold fringe on silken (rayon-silk-nylon) National flags that are carried in parades, used in official ceremonies, and displayed in offices, merely to enhance the beauty of the flag. The use of fringe is not restricted to the Federal Government. Such flags are used and displayed by our Armed Forces, veterans, civic and civilian organizations, and private individuals. However, it is the custom not to use fringe on flags displayed from stationary flagpoles and, traditionally, fringe has not been used on internment flags".
However, the U.S. Attorney General recently stated:
"The placing of a gold fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag, and the arrangements of the stars in the union are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but are within the discretion of the President as Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy. . .ancient custom sanctions the use of fringe on regimental colors and standards, but there seems to be no good reason or precedent for its use on other flags. . .the use of such a fringe is prescribed in current Army Regulations, No. 260-10." (See 34 Ops. Atty. Gen. 483 & 485) The only statute or regulation, in the United States, prescribing a yellow fringed United States flag is Army Regulation No. 260-10, making it a military flag. By Army Regulation 260-10, the gold fringe may be used only on regimental "colors," the President's flag, for military courts martial, and the flags used at military recruiting centers. "A military flag emblem of a nation, usually made of cloth and flown from a staff; FROM A MILITARY STANDPOINT flags are of two general classes...those flown from stationary masts over army posts, and those carried by troops in formation. The former are referred to by the general name of flags. The later are called colors when carried by dismounted troops. COLORS AND STANDARDS are more nearly square than flags and are made of silk, with a knotted FRINGE OF YELLOW ON THREE SIDES. "
But most Americans are clueless about how to care for & display the US flag.
THE AUTHORITY FOR FRINGE ON THE FLAG IS SPECIFIED IN ARMY REGULATIONS,
BUT ONLY FOR THE NATIONAL (MILITARY) FLAG !
The following is from the web site of The Institute of Heraldry:
Gold fringe is used on the National flag as an honorable enrichment only. It is not regarded as an integral part of the flag and its use does not constitute an unauthorized addition to the design prescribed by statutes. Records of the Department of the Army indicate that fringe was used on the National flag as early as 1835 and its official use by the Army dates from 1895. There is no record of an Act of Congress or Executive Order which either prescribes or prohibits the addition of fringe, nor is there any indication that any symbolism was ever associated with it. The use of fringe is optional with the person or organization displaying the flag.
And a 1925 Attorney General’s Opinion (34 Op. Atty. Gen 483) states:
"The fringe does not appear to be regarded as an integral part of the flag, and its presence cannot be said to constitute an unauthorized additional to the design prescribed by statute. An external fringe is to be distinguished from letters, words, or emblematic designs printed or superimposed upon the body of the flag itself. Under the law, such additions might be open to objection as unauthorized; but the same is not necessarily true of the fringe.
It is customary to place gold fringe on silken (rayon-silk-nylon) National flags that are carried in parades, used in official ceremonies, and displayed in offices, merely to enhance the beauty of the flag. The use of fringe is not restricted to the Federal Government. Such flags are used and displayed by our Armed Forces, veterans, civic and civilian organizations, and private individuals. However, it is the custom not to use fringe on flags displayed from stationary flagpoles and, traditionally, fringe has not been used on internment flags".
However, the U.S. Attorney General recently stated:
"The placing of a gold fringe on the national flag, the dimensions of the flag, and the arrangements of the stars in the union are matters of detail not controlled by statute, but are within the discretion of the President as Commander-in-Chief of the Army and Navy. . .ancient custom sanctions the use of fringe on regimental colors and standards, but there seems to be no good reason or precedent for its use on other flags. . .the use of such a fringe is prescribed in current Army Regulations, No. 260-10." (See 34 Ops. Atty. Gen. 483 & 485) The only statute or regulation, in the United States, prescribing a yellow fringed United States flag is Army Regulation No. 260-10, making it a military flag. By Army Regulation 260-10, the gold fringe may be used only on regimental "colors," the President's flag, for military courts martial, and the flags used at military recruiting centers. "A military flag emblem of a nation, usually made of cloth and flown from a staff; FROM A MILITARY STANDPOINT flags are of two general classes...those flown from stationary masts over army posts, and those carried by troops in formation. The former are referred to by the general name of flags. The later are called colors when carried by dismounted troops. COLORS AND STANDARDS are more nearly square than flags and are made of silk, with a knotted FRINGE OF YELLOW ON THREE SIDES. "
But most Americans are clueless about how to care for & display the US flag.
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sammerdog
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rocketman
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YUP... ****. 
Viet Nam vet AND Desert Storm... that's a hell of a stretch in an enlistment!! Did about 40 did ya??
Viet Nam vet AND Desert Storm... that's a hell of a stretch in an enlistment!! Did about 40 did ya??
Dragster Racer
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How in the world did a cool picture of a great little place become an argument about the display of the flag? Man. Some folks just have to show how right they are regardless of the situation. And point out how wrong others are. Thanks for your military service. I would hold the door for you or buy you a drink and shake your hand if I met you. If you have a suggestion about the flag, say it and be done.
rocketman
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Agreed... I'm done.
I like the little place, I'd like to see some pictures of the inside. Look in the background.. does this guy collect fire trucks too??
I like the little place, I'd like to see some pictures of the inside. Look in the background.. does this guy collect fire trucks too??
autoist
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1993-1966......about 27 or so.YUP... ****.
Viet Nam vet AND Desert Storm... that's a hell of a stretch in an enlistment!! Did about 40 did ya??
& if more folks were **** about the country & its customs the next generation might possibly take their baseball caps off & put their hand on their heart during the playing of the National Anthem....but, since so many folks aren't ****, they doesn't even stand up or stop texting during it! Hell, most of this generation doesn't even know what to do when it is played before basketball games! How can we expect the next generation to know?
Oh, I said it & was done way back with my first post!
& like I said in that post, "neat place"!
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YUP... ****.
Viet Nam vet AND Desert Storm... that's a hell of a stretch in an enlistment!! Did about 40 did ya??
I work with a guy who has served in every conflict since Vietnam, INCLUDING the current Iraq conflict. His name is Hubert Hamilton Hunnicutt, III. We called him Gunny. His is a recipiant of the Navy Cross. He is the lone surviving Marine in this story. You can read the citation for his Navy Cross HERE. After leaving active duty service he went into the Marine reserve. He only retired a few years ago, just before Sept 11.
I first met Gunny in 1994. He was my first FTO when I became a Deputy Sheriff. Somewhere around 2002 Gunny quit the Sheriffs Office and became an Internantion Police Officer with DynCorp. He spent several years in Iraq, training Iraqi police officers. By the time he came back to the Sheriff's Office in 2006, I was a Lieutenant. He was assigned to my patrol shift. I thought he had retired for good last year, but he is back as a part time reserve deputy. His son, also a Marine, is also a Sheriff's Deputy and was on my shift for a while.
Some men were born to serve thier county. Gunny is one of them. He is a real American hero. He would have to be to proudly volounteer to serve in every conflict since Vietnam.