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4-RunDog

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I have just finished my 24' X 36' pole building. I had three electricians out yesterday to give me bids. They all had the same stuff to say with one big exception. The first guy suggested a 60a pannel for the shop, existng panel in the house is a 200a panel but he said the service wires are only good for around 150a. The second guy said he would put a 125a panel in. The third guy said the house service was only good for around 100a and he would put a 50a panel in the shop. the bids were $4700, $2800 and $3600 respecivly. Thanks for the input ahead of time. The only 240volt equipment I have is a welder the rest is 110. I beleive the house service pannel is a GE splitbuss and I think the input wires are #2 aluminum.
 
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Just make sure they are licensed electrical contractors that can pull they're own permits. If they ask you to pull it or just don't plan to have it inspected at all, RUN.

It sounds like a 50-60 amp feed to your garage would be plenty. I noticed one electrician mentioned a 125 amp panel. Is he planning on running a 125 amp feed out there or just buying the bigger 125 amp panel for more spaces and then only feeding it with 50-60 amps? I think 125 amps is a bit much unless your planning on adding a lot more equipment.

What I'd do assuming your house service is adequate:

1.25-1.5" conduit
#6 THHN feeding a 125 amp main lug 16 space panel utilizing a back fed 60 amp breaker for the required disconnecting means.

The conduit size will leave enough room for the larger wire should you ever decide you want the full 125 amps out there.
 
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I don't understand how you can a have a 200 amp service but the wires are only good for 150 amps?, What size is the main breaker in your main panel?
 

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No main? I read about those before but never seen one. Can you explain it to me? I seem to remember some reason for it but....
 
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Aceman is correct, there is no main. All the electricians are legit ad have included the permit prices in the estimate. The real question is how big of a service pannel can I put in the garage?
 
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Aceman the guy that suggested the 125 amp pannel didn't say if it was just because of available spaces or ? The estimate says #3THHN feeder and a 1 1/2" conduit if that helps.
 

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now, I dont know how far away your shop is, but it seems that $4700 should get you a new 200a service plus power to the shop.
 

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Normally the utility wires are smaller than the wire for a 200amp service. I think they get by because the wire is outside and doesn't run as high a temperature.
 

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No main? I read about those before but never seen one. Can you explain it to me? I seem to remember some reason for it but....

Picture a regular panel with both buss bars severed horizontally halfway down the panel. The top half consisting of 12 spaces is filled with six 2 pole breakers. One of those six breakers is a 2 pole 60, the wires off the load side of this breaker hit some lugs feeding the bottom half of the panel. This half consists of all the single pole breakers for lights and receps, etc. Those six breakers are legal and referred to as the six disconnect rule, with six throws of the hand you can shut off all those breakers and kill the whole panel. Make sense?

Aceman is correct, there is no main. All the electricians are legit ad have included the permit prices in the estimate. The real question is how big of a service pannel can I put in the garage?

It could be be the same ampacity as the house panel if you were so inclined.

Aceman the guy that suggested the 125 amp pannel didn't say if it was just because of available spaces or ? The estimate says #3THHN feeder and a 1 1/2" conduit if that helps.

#3 Thhn copper is good for 100 amps, not 125. Hopefully, he meant 100 amp panel even though I still think that might be more than you're needing anyhow. It's really all about how much extra capacity you want.

Normally the utility wires are smaller than the wire for a 200amp service. I think they get by because the wire is outside and doesn't run as high a temperature.

That's part of it, the other part is the utility sizes their wires and transformers to the actual load. Not the fact that you have a 200 amp panel, you automatically need 200 amps of power.
 

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Picture a regular panel with both buss bars severed horizontally halfway down the panel. The top half consisting of 12 spaces is filled with six 2 pole breakers. One of those six breakers is a 2 pole 60, the wires off the load side of this breaker hit some lugs feeding the bottom half of the panel. This half consists of all the single pole breakers for lights and receps, etc. Those six breakers are legal and referred to as the six disconnect rule, with six throws of the hand you can shut off all those breakers and kill the whole panel. Make sense?
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Thanks, not sure what the advantage of that is? What time period were these put out?
 
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