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red vette mike

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I found this site while asking a garage question on a Camaro web site. This is a cool site for garage guys. I plan to build a 30x54 garage here in Madison, Ms. I have a number of classic cars and one of them finally misplaced my wife's car in our carport. That was when I knew that I had to build something else to hold these cars. I plan to do a good bit of work on these cars and others that I might buy to sell. My question-one of several I am sure- has to do with lighting. I know that I could always do florescence lighting. Is this the best type of lighting for a 1500ft garage (12ft ceiling height)? If not-what is the best type of lighting?
Thanks for any advise.
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Fluorescents will work. You will need quite a few with 12 foot ceilings. How much light do you want? Do you want to be able to do detailed task work without a shop light?

I put metal halides fixtures in my garage. Quite bright which is how I like it. Not sure you could get proper lighting with metal halides with only 12 feet though.

Are you planning on putting in a lift?
 

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Fluorescents are one good choice. They can work fine with 12 foot ceilings if you pick the right kind and space them properly, another possibility is to hang them from chains so they are down at 8 feet or so, but this of course would require planning so they don't get in the way of any hoists or things like that. I like to mix in a few incandescent lights here and there as well, they are better for task lighting over a workbench for instance.

You may want to check with a lighting store, rather than just throwing up something from Home Depot. They will have people on staff who can give you good advice on what kinds of lights to use and how to arrange them, with a garage that big you want to get things right. They have photometric information on all the light fixtures they sell, and can do layouts on their computer pretty quickly.

Metal Halides like BMWPower used are very efficient and put out a lot of light, but one downside is they aren't going to be instant on like fluorescents, they can take several minutes to come on; if you turn them on once and leave them on for a while they're fine, but if you're in and out of the garage they may not be a good choice.
 

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Stuart in MN said:
Metal Halides like BMWPower used are very efficient and put out a lot of light, but one downside is they aren't going to be instant on like fluorescents, they can take several minutes to come on; if you turn them on once and leave them on for a while they're fine, but if you're in and out of the garage they may not be a good choice.

True. Maybe the best bet is a combination. I have 2 fluorescent fixtures I flip on if I want get in and get out. Definitely a different quality light though.
 

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First let me say I am not an expert on lighting, electrical work or anything closely related to the same. I have done a ton of research on back yard garages and have read several books on the topic. Besides, “expert” is best defined by looking at the component elements of the word: an “ex” is a has been or someone who is washed up; a “spurt” is a dip under pressure.

Up front: I agree with Stuart. Get professional advice from a lighting store. There are too many variables to consider and when added to the size of your shop an initial error in purchasing can prove quite costly.

You said you planned to do a lot of the work yourself. Is this just mechanical work or is painting involved? If the latter, you have many more issues to deal with vis-à-vis your lighting:

BRIGHTNESS :pimpflash
Rated in lumens, it gives an indication of how bright the shop will be lit:
• 850 lumens: 60-watt incandescent bulb
• 2,780 lumens: 150-watt soft white fluorescent bulb
• 3,050 lumens: 40-watt cool white fluorescent bulb

COLOR of light (Color Rendering Index (CRI)) :headscrat
The issue here is how close the artificial light comes to natural sunlight. The CRI scale equates sunlight to 100. A poor CRI results in your red 'Vette looking brown or even yellow. Well designed fluorescent bulbs have a CRI of 80 which is considered good – not great but good. I believe the best standard fluorescent bulbs will rate a CRI of 85 – well below an incandescent bulb.
• CRI – 95: Incandescent bulb
• CRI – 75-85: normal fluorescent bulb
• CRI – 62: Cool white fluorescent bulb
So, fluorescent bulbs generally have better brightness but lower CRI. Already a compromise. :sad:

COLOR TEMPERATURE :eyecrazy:
Quote from Ultimate Garage Handbook, Richards Newton, page 75: “Scientists define color of light by its “color temperature”. The color of sunlight is determined by how hot the surface of the sun is, and the fact that our eyes are designed to be most sensitive to the light from our sun. Scientists have chosen to measure color temperature with units of Kelvin rather than Celsius or Fahrenheit, so the term appears a little strange at first (ED: as if talking about the surface temperature of the sun in regard to garage lighting ISN’T strange?!!?).

“A lower color temperature means a light appears “warmer”. The common household light bulb has a color temperature of about 2,800 Kelvin. A cool white fluorescent bulb has a color temperature of 4,100 Kelvin.

“Simply put, light bulbs with lower Kelvin temperatures (2,000 – 3,000 Kelvin) exhibit more light in the red/orange/yellow range. The higher Kelvin temperatures (greater then 5,000 Kelvin) will exhibit more blue light. Fluorescent (2,700 Kelvin), quartz halogen (2,800 Kelvin) and metal halide (4,000 Kelvin) lamps produce an impression of white light. At the equator at noon, you have 5,000 Kelvin.
• 6,000: very bright sunlight
• 5,000 – 5,500: Average daylight
• 5,000: full spectrum Fluorescent Bulbs
• 2,700 – 3,000: Ordinary Fluorescent Bulbs
• 2,800 – 3,500: Ordinary Light bulb
• 1,000 – 1,800: Candle Light”


You can spend some bucks and avoid the compromise between Fluorescent and Incandescent lights. "Some very expensive fluorescent bulbs are available from GE or Philips called Chroma 75. These are rated at 7,500 Kelvin with a CRI of 95. Chroma 50 is rated at 5,000 Kelvin and a CRI of ~90.” Compromise solved but at a cost :see: .

As to the number of fixtures and type, this from How to Design and Build Your Auto Workshop, David H. Jacobs, Jr, page 67: “Design your shop’s ceiling light capacity so that it will offer a minimum of ¾ watt of fluorescent light per square foot of shop space.” Your shop is ~1500 square feet. That would call for 1125 watts (1500 x .75). This translates to 19 x 60-watt bulbs (actually 18.75 but try and buy .75 of a bulb these days) or 14 x 80-watt bulbs (1125/80 = 14.06). Your call on whether you use 4-foot tubes or 8-foot tubes; ceiling space and obstructions would play in this consideration. Personally, I think too much light is just about enough -- but then I am 50+ years old and been working on computers since 1984

Then there is recessed lighting ($$$), spot or focused lighting for close work on benches, in-floor lighting under a lift, lights in the wall at eye level (again, lift work), etc. :beer:

Like I said: talk to a pro, like Stuart said.

Craig
 

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I have florencents in my shop- five 4 tube 40w fixtures in a 24X32 area. Lot's of light. Keep in mind that some f tubes dim in cold weather and may be slow or no starts below 45 degrees. One bit of advice, if you go with florcents, do NOT buy the cheap shop lights as they are junk. Be prepared to pay $80 or so per fixture. These lights will be heavier, have a larger ballast and better lampholders. The cheap ones will not last much longet than the tubes themselves
 

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Hey Craig, help me understand CRI versus color temperature if you would. They sound very similar, or at least inter-related.
 

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I have a 28x40 10' ceiling and have 19 4' 2 tube fixtures. Almost enough light, Right on the cheap fixtures, I put 6 new ones in when I rebuilt the roof for the hoist, and 3 are out already (2 years). The other thing to keep in mind with florencents, is in a cold garage, they might not come on. I had that problem before I heated my garage (it is 3 degrees here now).

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Use watt density. Take the total number of watts and divide it by the SqFt of illuminated area. Dispersion is also a consideration and where flourecents are beneficial because the have longer lengths. Metal Halides have decent spread if you have the correct ones for the mounting height.

A real-world guide to watt density:
.75 is pretty dark in my experience
1.2 is dimly lit for working, good for inside a home
1.6 is reasonably well lit, but you will need additional light for detailed tasks
1.8 is pretty good and will be adequate for most everything in a shop
2.0 is excellent and if you need additional light, you should not be operating power tools

My home garage is a 2.0 with nothing but flourecents. Excellent.

My commercial shop is a 1.6 with High Bay Metal Halides and one flourecent. Adequate, but I wish it was just a tad brighter.

I don't think you want anything less than 1.6 or so.

What watt density do you guys have in your shops/garages???

Scott
 

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I have a mixture of stuff, some Home Depot cheap fluorecents, some T8's as I got more money and also metal halide. Stay away from the cheap fluorecents, get some T8's they are bright and instant on and no humming/buzzing. I think for a not-too-serious hobbyist, that would be sufficient. For me and most likely the rest of us here, throw in some metal halides.

I have mine on 2 different switches so I when I walk out I turn on the fluorecents and only turn on the halides when I need extra light which is pretty much whenever I plan on spending the day in the garage.
 

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Also - on the MH lights - start up is what shortens their life so if you plan to be out of the garage for only an hour or so, just leave them on.

Also - if they are off and cool, they take maybe 3-5 minutes to come up to full power - known. If they go off for any reason, this time goes up to maybe 15 minutes. They have to cool back down before they will re-fire. This is a problem if you live in an area with a dubious power company (Ohio :)) - one small flicker and you could be in the dark for a little bit.

Scott
 

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gerry said:
I have florencents in my shop- five 4 tube 40w fixtures in a 24X32 area. Lot's of light.

That's a 1.04 watts/SqFt. (assuming even distribution)

Sounds dim to me. Maybe I need my eyes checked?

Good advice on the cheap fixtures and it is so true. I have some medium cost fixtures that have lasted for about 4 years so far. Before these, I had the cheap **** and I replaced one or two fixtures a year until I got sick of it and shelled out for better fixtures.

What watt density are the rest of you guys running? Reflexx - how about in your manufacturing space?

Scott
 

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what density?

I've got 24 T12 4' fixtures (the home depot chrome diamond plate deals) running 40watt "cool white" bulbs in a 28x35 shop with 10'ceiling. That works out to less than 1 on that scale. It's definetely not dim in there, I get 1/60 shutter speeds on 64 speed ISO with a fairly dark camera lens. What is watts into square feet really measuring?
 

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MXtras said:
Use watt density. Take the total number of watts and divide it by the SqFt of illuminated area. Dispersion is also a consideration and where flourecents are beneficial because the have longer lengths. Metal Halides have decent spread if you have the correct ones for the mounting height.

A real-world guide to watt density:
.75 is pretty dark in my experience
1.2 is dimly lit for working, good for inside a home
1.6 is reasonably well lit, but you will need additional light for detailed tasks
1.8 is pretty good and will be adequate for most everything in a shop
2.0 is excellent and if you need additional light, you should not be operating power tools

My home garage is a 2.0 with nothing but flourecents. Excellent.

My commercial shop is a 1.6 with High Bay Metal Halides and one flourecent. Adequate, but I wish it was just a tad brighter.

I don't think you want anything less than 1.6 or so.

What watt density do you guys have in your shops/garages???

Scott

9 metal halides x 175 watts = 1575 watts / 841 sqft = 1.9

What this formula doesn't consider is ceiling height, which can greatly affect the light output.
 
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Thanks so much for all the responses. I do plan to go to a local lightning wholeseller for additional info on my needs.
I went to a local draftsman/designer yesterday to have plans drawn for this garage. I do plan to have a lift in it (2 post or 4 post?). I am going to do some body work in this shop so lighting will be very important. I must attach this garage to my house in order to build the square footage that I want. I have many questions and issues ahead and am very glad to have found this site. I appreciate the interest shown.
Mike Martin
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The watts per square foot is a thumbnail for an average installation. It's assumed that you are not going to use a low bay light for a high bay application. In other words - you are going to use the correct lamp for the elevation.

Light intensity diminishes at a rate that is inversly proportional to the cubed root of the distance if you are into math.

It's a thumbnail. I thought it would help.

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Hey Byrdman -- I noted the similarity of those two measures myself. A little Googling came up with two web sites that discussed both CRI and Color Temperature. This is getting pretty technical, but the chart at the very bottom tells me that the two are clearly inter-related; however, I still don't think I could pass a mide-term test question such as "Compare and contrast the CRI to . . .".
Emphasis below is mine

COLOR TEMPERATURE
Color temperature refers to the color appearance of the light that comes from a light source. It's an important performance characteristic to asses when evaluating lamps because a lamps color temperature creates the mood of the space you are lighting and can thus influence buying behavior or work performance. Also referred to as 'Correlated Color Temperature (CCT), the apparent color of a light source is measured in Kelvin or "k".

In describing color temperatures, a low color temperature corresponds to "warm" or a red-yellow appearance like incandescent lamps at 2700 Kelvin. Fluorescent lamps operating at 3500 Kelvin give off a "neutral" white light. "Cool" light comes from sources like cool white fluorescent lamps operating at 4100 Kelvin. In color temperature, the higher the Kelvin temperature, the whiter and then the bluer the light.

COLOR RENDERING
Another key performance characteristic, color rendering, is the ability of a light source to represent colors in objects. The relative measure of this ability is color rendering index, or CRI which rates light sources on a scale of 0 to 100. The higher the CRI, the more vibrant or close to natural the colors of objects appear. CRI is especially important when evaluating fluorescent and HID sources because they have a wide range of CRI's. Light from lamps with good (70 to 80 CRI) and excellent (80+ CRI) color rendering properties is said to be "high quality light" because objects and people look more appealing and the light level itself is perceived to be higher.

Good color rendering is critical in settings where it is important that people appear natural, in retail applications where merchandise must look appealing, and in restaurants where food must look appetizing. In office and factory applications, high color rendering can increase visual clarity and create a more pleasing and productive work environment.

Kelvin Range-----3000K---------------3500K---------------4100K---------------5000K

Assoicated Mood--Friendly------------Inviting---------------Neat Clean---------Bright Alert
------------------Intimate--------Non-threatening---------Efficient-----------Exacting Coloration

Application-------Restuarants------Showrooms------------Classrooms------------Museums
-----------------Stores Offices----Stores Offices------------Hospitals-----------Gem stores
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Print shops
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------Medical exam

From the second website:
Color Rendering Index
A figure of merit, on a scale of 0 to 100, used by manufacturers of fluorescent, metal halide and other nonincandescent lighting equipment to describe the visual effect of the light on colored surfaces. Natural daylight and any light source approximating a blackbody source (see color temperature) is assigned a color rendering index (CRI) of 100.

To determine a CRI value, observers view 8 standard pastel colors under the light source being rated and under light from a blackbody source (such as an incandescent lamp) having the same color temperature. The CRI is calculated, roughly speaking, by averaging the observers' estimation of the extent of the differences in the appearance of the colors under the two lights. Although the CRI is intended to apply only to the visual quality of light, photographers have also used it in choosing light sources.

The CRI can only be used to compare two light sources that have the same color temperature. A 5000 K, 80 CRI light source is not necessarily superior to a 4000 K, 70 CRI light source.

Some typical color rendering index (CRI) values for light sources
CRI--------Light Source
17---------Clear mercury
45---------White Deluxe Mercury
55---------Warm white fluorescent tube
65---------Cool white fluorescent tube
73---------Deluxe warm white fluorescent
79---------Daylight fluorescent
85---------Metal halide 4200K
86---------Deluxe cool white fluorescent
93---------Metal halide 5400K
0-18-------Low pressure sodium
25---------High pressure sodium
100--------100-watt incandescent

Posting this one was a PITA. It took twice as long to get all the columns to line up than it did to find the gosh-darned information!!

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Dang Craig, great response. I don't think I'd pass the mid-term either, but here's my perspective on the info you've dug up.

To me the key sentence you've uncovered is: "The CRI is calculated, roughly speaking, by averaging the observers' estimation of the extent of the differences in the appearance of the colors under the two lights

There's not much detail there concerning methodology, but from what I gather this much can be inferred:

Subjects compared pastel color swatches across two different light sources of equal K°, one source being a "blackbody" source approximating daylight (and considered a perfect value of 100). Somehow, any perceived differences between the two sources were measured and assigned a value. The greater the difference perceived, the lower a value was assigned. Then more subjects repeated the test and they averaged all the subjects' values together to get a CRI for a light. Then they'd do it all over again for the next light to be tested.

Seems like a pretty subjective measurement to me. And I wonder how they selected their subject pool? I mean, surely some folks have an affinity for certain light qualities, and others do not. You'd need a good mix of these affinities in your subjects. And how many subjects were used? Could have been 3 people! Was it a balanced pool of subjects- race/***/age/visual health etc? How much variance there was across subjects perceptions? Was there more variance within the testing of one light versus another? Was the same group of subjects used to test each light? Did they vary the type of material/surface were the colors on or not? Was it "blind" ie- did the subjects KNOW which light they were testing?

Obviously I don't expect you to answer these questions, I'm just being my usual skeptical self. I just think this "CRI" could easily boil down to personal preference. Without detail on how CRI was actually arrived at, it doesn't mean much to me. Anybody can create an index!

(just my opinion!)
 

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I have all the light I need

Best Bang for my buck. I would go with 8’ fluorescent lights. I just put up a 30X50 foot addition with 12’ ceiling height. And installed 3 continuous strings of 5 double bulb eight-foot fluorescent shaded non-apertured (no uplight) Lithonia fixtures. I arrived at the configuration from past garages and located them keeping in mind lift and bridge crane locations.


They all have magnetic ballasts and T-12 60 Watt style bulbs. I know that posters claim that the newer T-8’s with the electronic ballasts are better,, claiming that they are quieter and startup better in the cold. I have tried the newer T-8’s and from my personal experience I still went with the T-12 with magnetic ballasts. First off all my garages are heated to 70 in the winter, and cooled to 78 in the summer so I don’t have a cold weather problems. And the 6 Lithonia 8 ‘ fixtures with electronic ballasts that I installed in one of my old garages make nearly as much noise as the cheaper older style ones.

I recently installed 45 of these older style units in my new garages. I paid just under $40.00 each. And purchased GE F96T12/CWWM bulbs at $2.99 each, totally $2069.00. The best price I got for the Lithonia’s with electronic ballasts was $64.00 each and the T-8 bulbs were $6.80 each totally $3492.00. With the $1423.00 savings I bought myself a new laptop computer!
 

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mleichtle said:
Byrdman, are you figuring 80 watts per fixture, 2 40 watt tubes?

DOH! Double DOH! TWO bulbs per fixture, thanks!! That puts me at 1.96 watts/sq ft. Whew! I feel like a real man again!

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MXtras said:
I think the 8' foot bulbs are supposed to be extinct soon - might want to forecast their slaughter and stock up.

Scott

I don’t see a stop to production of replacement T-12 fluorescent bulbs,, at least not in my lifetime,, there are far too many fixtures in use. And I don’t know of any mandate for homeowners to stop using them. And if they do, I’ll stock up on the T-12’s before the price skyrockets on them. Heck I stocked upped R12 Freon for my old cars before it came obsolete. Less than the price of its’ replacement R134a sells for today.

We don’t know what the future of the T-8. It is already on its’ second generation. And if all else fails, I’ll replace the ballasts and bulbs in my fixtures when I run out of T_12’s.
 

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MXtras,
pertaining to watt density.

two bay garage, 8'ceiling.
22x24=528 sq.ft.
8 fixtures, 4 bulb, 40 watt.
8x4x40=1280 watts
1280/528=2.42 watt density.

3 bay garage. 12'ceiling.
24x27=648 sq.ft.
15 fixtures, 4 bulb, 40 watt.
15x4x40=2400 watt
2400/648=3.70 watt density.

am i figuring this right?

the 2 bay side is OK. (maybe i shouldn't be using any power tools?)
the 3 bay is great.

david
 

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6t7gto said:
MXtras,
pertaining to watt density.

two bay garage, 8'ceiling.
2.42 watt density.

3 bay garage. 12'ceiling.
3.70 watt density.

am i figuring this right?

the 2 bay side is OK. (maybe i shouldn't be using any power tools?)
the 3 bay is great.

david

Looks right to me!

I haven't used flourecent fixtures in shop with 12' ceilings so I can't really judge that 3.7 figure - if you had this in a shop with 8' ceilings - that would be 'holly shi*' bright! Nice!

I think a lot of it has to do with reflection, too. White walls, bright floors can make a substantial difference in perceived brightness.

Good info in this thread, for sure!

Scott
 

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Hmm then I'd be worse off with 4 2-tube 40 watt fluorescents than I am now with 4 100 watt incandecents I'd go from 105 watts per foot to 83 watts per foot!!

I guess I'd better re-think that plan.
 

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"Hmm then I'd be worse off with 4 2-tube 40 watt fluorescents than I am now with 4 100 watt incandecents I'd go from 105 watts per foot to 83 watts per foot!! "

I'm not so sure. Contrary to what was said earlier, my 24 X32 shop with some 20 40W flourencent tubes has plenty of light for me. Considering light in a room by looking at the numbers alone will fool you. Ceiling height, light location and wall and ceiling colors play a big part in how much light you have to work in
 

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Just found this site tonight and I just wanted to say that this website is going to consume a bunch of my free time for the next few days!

We're finishing out a house and I was trying to figure out how much lighting I needed, but I didn't have any "rule of thumb' to use. Now I'm ready for my next trip to HD or Lowes to get an electronic ballast type fluorescent lights.

Thanks for all of the info!!!
 

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I'm a lighting rep so I have access to all this stuff and then some. In your case I would do fluorescent, T-8 or T-5 lamps. Current ballast's fire at zero degress so cold isn't that big a deal. Ceiling ,floor and wall color all affect the brightness of a room. If your ceiling is finished & painted you could just do 8' strips. If it's open then I would get a strip with a reflector to punch the light down. You can even dim fluorescents with the right ballast & dimmer $$$$$. In my 3 car garage, 8' ceiling, white walls & ceiling I have 6 8' T-8 strips. My 4 car garage that has the show cars in it, 9' ceiling 4 4' T-5 strips for in & out lighting then 75' of line voltage bendable track with ceramic metal halide & halogen lamps. I plan on building a shop this year to wrench on what ever and In that I will most likley use T-5 Fluorescents. Go to an electrical supply house CED or something like that. Better selection and better price than Depot or Lowes.
 

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Check with your local lighting supply houses for your 4' fluorescents. May want to add a couple of options to them. Reflectors, mount director to the top of the housing and help control light loss from the bare tubes and direct more of the light output downwards. If you in the colder climates, you may want to also conside zero degree ballasts that will help with firing the lamp sooner during the winter months. Many of the lighting reps in the supply houses are more than willing to help you with your fixture selection (metal halide vs fluor) if you can bring the interior dimensions, mounting heights, and the final use of the building.
 

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bmwpower said:
Fluorescents will work. You will need quite a few with 12 foot ceilings. How much light do you want? Do you want to be able to do detailed task work without a shop light?

I put metal halides fixtures in my garage. Quite bright which is how I like it. Not sure you could get proper lighting with metal halides with only 12 feet though.

Are you planning on putting in a lift?

Its all a matter of parabolic reflection, color temperature and wattage.


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