Engraving is bad enough. But why weld the screws to the head?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Snap...Z280438281910QQptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools
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Snap On Abuse
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tonydanzah
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people kept stealing the guts
wreckercologist
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krusty the clown
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thats a shame......that makes it go from a $25 ratchet to a $.99 throw away.
Adam McLaughlin
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Jesus Christ! Here is your sign!
Adam
Adam
Diesel-Mech
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Homemade FOD ratchet? 
Homemade FOD ratchet?
Gotta be the answer.
nissan_crawler
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Homemade FOD ratchet?
Bingo. Why not? Take a cheap ratchet, weld the screws down, don't have to buy a new $75 one. I would do it if I needed one.
Lookin4'67Galaxieconv
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pmohr
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_object_damage
SO makes 'special' ratchets for this purpose, for example the F936FOD:
http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/item...group_ID=12918&store=snapon-store&dir=catalog
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Diesel-Mech
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I can understand why it was done, I'm mostly laughing at some of the reactions people are having about it.
Packard V8
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Two thoughts on where this will go:
1. Reserve not met - a high reserve on a welded ratchet?
2. Warranty claim - the rationale will be interesting
thnx, jack vines
1. Reserve not met - a high reserve on a welded ratchet?
2. Warranty claim - the rationale will be interesting
thnx, jack vines
Toolhorder
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What work enviroments use FOD tools?
Now that I know what FOD is, I am going to guess that, for example, mechanics working in the desert probably want a tightly sealed ratchet head.
red02chevy
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Well that is my ratchet. I purchased it off eBay and the jackass that sold it to me did not say anything about the bolts being welded. When I got the ratchet in I did not know what the hell to think. I tried to return the ratchet to him with no luck, I just decided I would try to sell it but let the people know about the damage.
Check out the link to when I bought it.....nothing about the **** he did to it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130336286615&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
Check out the link to when I bought it.....nothing about the **** he did to it.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130336286615&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
pmohr
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As I understand it, these tools are more designed to stay in one piece no matter what, rather than be protected from the elements (undoubtedly there are lines of tools quite specifically for that as well).
Aircraft mechanics more than likely are required to use FOD tools (there are a few on here that I've seen, I'm sure they could chime in). Working on medical and food equipment likely also carries the same requirements.
krusty the clown
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aircraft for one.....
scooby074
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Aircraft mostly, but you could see it in food, rubber manufacturing etc. anywheres where metal could contaminate a batch of product
well it wasn't a total loss. some of us learned what FOD is because of this ratchet.
devilphrog
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FOD Prevention is paramount in aviation maintenance. When i was on Active Duty all tools had to be accounted for (inventoried down to number of parts in a tool), and if a tool was able to come apart it had to be modified to not be able to come apart. An example of this would be having permanently closed ratchets as well as peening hinge and pivot points to prevent guide pins from falling out.
LoneGunman
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You should dispute it with Paypal, why let the POS get away with it? At least leave him a bad feedback.
I agree. I mean, he only gave one pic, of the unwelded side, and the description says nothing about the modification, just that these are surplus and might have certain types of issues (welding slag not being one of them). I think that is BS, and he's got a 100% feedback rating that he does not deserve.
If I had to make it a FOD ratchet I would have tacked it on the plate side.
I thought about the same thing, but then realized what if the screw head popped off....oops. The screw edn isn't going to work it's way out - I don't believe it's threaded the whole way.
He grabbed the ratchet from a pile that he likely had for sale. He didn't look at it. Judging from his feedback he's a good seller. I'm surprised he would bicker over the return.
Rocket1
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I've seen a couple of these pop on ebay recently. It's made me more careful when bidding.
mrshaun
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FOD is for aviation. do not want a ratchet falling off of something when your airplane is 30,000 feet up, might cause a little problem.
Ok, NOW I finally get what FOD tools are designed to do. I only skimmed the info the first time around.
About the eBay seller: if he takes the time to grab a ratchet and snap a pic for the auction, how can he NOT see that one side has welding slag on it? And, is it coincidence that he showed a pic only of the side where you can't see the mod? If you are going to show just one pic, it is more natural to show the top of the ratchet!
I would fight the transaction, contact PP, eBay, CC company, whatever. He is in the wrong.
About the eBay seller: if he takes the time to grab a ratchet and snap a pic for the auction, how can he NOT see that one side has welding slag on it? And, is it coincidence that he showed a pic only of the side where you can't see the mod? If you are going to show just one pic, it is more natural to show the top of the ratchet!
I would fight the transaction, contact PP, eBay, CC company, whatever. He is in the wrong.
mrshaun
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a lot of auctions are like that. they hide the bad stuff and catch you off guard by the .99cents. cheap always turns a head and in a hurry people bid to get it cheap. then uh oh. we got a pile of ****...
lyonkster
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His ad did say 3 day return policy, so you should be able to dispute this and win easily.
Leon
M900
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Thats why I ask questions first(even ask for extra pictures) or walk away.
If I buy mac or snap-on or craftsman tools(something that I can return if need be) I ask the seller whether or not the dealer would take it back no questions asked and give me a refund or a new tool. If he says "no" or "I dont know" I walk.
If its too good to be true....
speed bump
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I don't see any slag on it anywhere, maybe some filler metal but no slag.
To me it looks like a tool that got the job done. If you ever need to rebuild it so you spend a couple of extra minutes drilling and maybe grinding and its close enough to a 1/4" ******* ratchet for rebuilding and use. But, then again I generally buy tools to use and not to fantasize about.
If someone asked me, as a guy who sells a lot of ratchets, those questions, I would give an honest answer that included "I really can't be sure." How can a seller know what the shlub working at the Sears return counter/the SO dealer will or wont accept as a return?
I knew I'd get caught for the slag thing...yes, it is not the precise term. Evidence of welding is what I am referring to...it has to be obvious to the seller that the head of the ratchet was welded.
I also do not buy tools to fantasize about. None of mine are good enough for fantasies. I still would not want to buy an old crusty Herbrand and find that someone failed to tell me the head screws had been melted to the body.
crankshaftdan II
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Re: Snap On Abuse/and or other brands
Thought that this would be a good candidate for this thread: Maybe post this one for possible sale to Bull:
"FOR SALE"
One slightly used Walden Worchester 1/2" drive Ratchet
movement is like a fine swiss watch, doesn't skip a beat!
Overall appearance is beautiful and stunning!
Pictures enclosed for your viewing satisification!
Picture # 1 shows a stunning view of the top of ratchet with only a slightly inperfection of one of the screws!
Picture #2 shows how this tool can also be used underwater as it is sealed almost as good as a timex (Takes a licken and keeps ticking) no rubber "O" ring to worry about, this is called "Skip-Sealed" Price upon request, will throw in some extra weld rod N/C
Thought that this would be a good candidate for this thread: Maybe post this one for possible sale to Bull:
"FOR SALE"
One slightly used Walden Worchester 1/2" drive Ratchet
movement is like a fine swiss watch, doesn't skip a beat!
Overall appearance is beautiful and stunning!
Pictures enclosed for your viewing satisification!
Picture # 1 shows a stunning view of the top of ratchet with only a slightly inperfection of one of the screws!
Picture #2 shows how this tool can also be used underwater as it is sealed almost as good as a timex (Takes a licken and keeps ticking) no rubber "O" ring to worry about, this is called "Skip-Sealed" Price upon request, will throw in some extra weld rod N/C
