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krusty the clown said:
the seller states the CMAN ratchet has "surface rust and doesn't work"........what a bunch of BS. aparantly the surface is pretty deep in the ratchet mechanism :spit: i HATE dishonest sellers :boxer:
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My dad found a 1/2" craftsman ratchet at the bottom of the lake below his boat dock (likely dropped by the guy installing the dock a year earlier). He cleaned it up, but couldn't get it working. He took it to Sears and asked if they would sell him a rebuild kit. They refused to take his money, even after explaining that he had FOUND the ratchet at the BOTTOM OF A LAKE. They insisted he take home a new one for free. :beer:
 
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krusty the clown said:
the seller states the CMAN ratchet has "surface rust and doesn't work"........what a bunch of BS. aparantly the surface is pretty deep in the ratchet mechanism :spit: i HATE dishonest sellers :boxer:
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russlaferrera said:
Just maybe he is telling the truth. The ratchet has surface rust AND is broke.

Still, I would agree with you because the law of averages states, more people are becoming A -holes.
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I was thinking the same thing. Might be a rare instance of an honest seller. I don't see how he benefits by saying it doesn't work.
 
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Well, the reverser lever is broken off and the gear spins freely. The rust is clearly visible in the picture and stated so. 2 phillips screws hold it together but they are rounded out. It can't be too badly rusted inside because it spins freely. It clearly states that it does not work. I fail to see the problem:headscrat
 
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i think it's an issue of honesty..............it appears the seller didn't clearly state the condition. it looks like more than surface rust to me........it's badly rusted.

the same seller is denying knowledge of repainting on his other auctions
 
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There is no denial of restoration. I welcome questions and answer honestly and have been asked that question by several bidders. The rust IS surface rust and that's all. Thank you for all the attention and traffic you are directing to my auctions by complianing about them here. I will be plugging them later this week in the Garage Sale section.:bounce: I recall how much you like that. I am not a dishonest seller or person for that matter. I have repeat buyers and all positive feedback. Thanks again Krusty:thumbup:
 
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this was your response in the email i recieved from ebay................................................................................................................This one looks to have been restored because the color is more of a primer grey than the grey offered by Snap On originally. It does look like quality work though. The other 2 sets I have for auction are all original paint and parts. Thanks for your interest and feel free to ask any questions you like. John


but we here all know the red one was a repaint.............which you denied in the response. you sir are misrepresenting your product. you should check on who you are lying to before you do.
 
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Settle down...the red one in the auction is orignal paint and I'm willing to bet $ it is. The metal case is NOT the same one I had previously had for auction. I have many vintage snap on tins and I try to gather the most original parts I can and assemble them, show them off to my friends at work, admire them for awhile, and then sell them and build another. I'm currently working on a 169-TM-B set. It's kick ars so far. I still have several sets like the ones I'm selling but I can't saturate the market with them all at once. Relax and go de-bunk something that doesn't make you look dumb.
 
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is it just me?.........take the swivel out........put the octogrip handle BACK in...............both listed as 1950 sets..............:monkey_po
 
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I have no comment about the different SO sets lack of originality because I know nothing about that. This is just my 2 cents about condition descriptions. In fairness to the seller, IMO the C-man ratchet ad seems just fine. I would'nt expect you to take that ratchet apart for inspection; not for 10-20 bucks. If it was requested pre sale, I probably would, and then list the findings on the page for all to see, but not for the initail listing. Plus condition is very subjective to different individuals. I learned this when I started ebaying 5 years ago or so. I sold a porcelain gravy boat with a "small" chip (about 1/8 dia. if I remember). Buyer freaked as they claimed the chip was "huge"; and they were'nt wrong to do so. Who's to say what's big and whats small? Now I just mic up any chips or cracks so everyones on the same page and no further complaints. Also, I never use words like "mint", "good" or "poor". Who's to say how deep the rust is on something without cleaning to see if there are pits? If there were noticable pits even without cleaning the item who's to grade them by how many or how deep? I think simpiler is better dealing with decriptions, and would have listed an item like that c-man ratchet very similar.
"Item is used and appears rusty and dosent seem to be functioning properly. May be missing parts." Period.
 
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Kinda yeah...some of the parts are the same...so what? I am keeping what I want (for now) and auctioning what I don't. There is nothing false about the auction, there is nothing hidden. It is as it is and I would never deceive {speel cheke} anyone. I offer a money back guarantee...try it out...place your bid Rusty

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Forgot to bring home the box from the original auction from work. I turned around, went back and got it. Ready to take the pics Krusty requested and the camera batteries are dead. A trip to Walmart took care of that (after reminding the kids to tell me when they take the last AA). So here it is.

On the left is the one for auction now with what I am willing to bet is the original paint. On the right is the one I had up for auction awhile ago and didn't sell. The right one has been restored. Even though my camera tends to make reds darker, I can easily see a slight difference.

johnnyg1973


Another pic...again the one on the left is the one that is original paint. Below is a 169-TM-B box that has original Snap on paint complete with scratches and chips it has received over the years. The one on the left and the one below are a spot-on match. Exactly the same except the top left one is in better condition.

johnnyg1973


I did not go through all this to satisfy you Krusty. I don't like being called a liar and dishonest. You have more pull and influence on this forum than me because you have been a member longer and have more time to spend here. I have taken enough time away from my family to stand up for myself. I am making this post so others here, those iterested in my auctions and people who read what I add to this forum, understand that I am not a liar. Please stop bashing my auctions.
 
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MachineTech certainly presents himself in writing as a decent and honest guy.
 
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For what its worth I have seen ebay descriptions far worse.Doesn't seem to be deliberately misleading.I'd have no problem bidding on these auctions.
 
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so we have another case that we think is original paint, ok i'll admit i assumed it was the same case, and from the pics i posted they are the same color........so maybe maybe not.

HOWEVER in the email i recieved from you you stated "The other 2 sets I have for auction are all original paint and parts". but you admitted here that these were assembled sets........not original parts.


i still feel you misrepresented the sets in that email...............
 
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I guess the bigger question is in how we would define "original". I recently purchased several brand new 80 tooth ratchets from my dealer. 2 had date codes 2007 and 2 were 2008. All were purchased at the same time.

I have a set of 3/8 drive semi deep SO sockets. The set was purchased as one. Some of the sockets have date code 2006, most have 2007, and some have 2008. The set came off the truck like this...original I would call it.

The set in question is mostly 1950 date code. A few are 1951.

If I was old enough to purchase 2 of those sets new back in 1950 or 1951, and mix up the pieces, and then sold them, yes...I would advertise they are original.

Nobody wants to buy a 1950 set that has 1960, 1970, or 1980 parts in it.

SO already mixes up the years/sets slightly when we purchase them new. It must have something to do with how the items are stocked.

I almost forgot to answer your question in the previous post...
Do I look dumb... - Krusty

Yes, you are really starting to in front of all your buddies here.
 
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I almost forgot to answer your question in the previous post...
Do I look dumb... - Krusty

Yes, you are really starting to in front of all your buddies here.
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uhhh.......it was do i still look dumb? in response to your smart assed comment that i did...............


if i appear dumb so be it............i'm sure i don't to the more knowledgable about the items. you still have missrepresentedn your item in the email. i'm sure most have just taken it as normal to deal with people who do not willingly reveal what their items truly are. an all original set is worth more than an assembled one.
 
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MachineTech said:
I almost forgot to answer your question in the previous post...
Do I look dumb... - Krusty

Yes, you are really starting to in front of all your buddies here.
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Not to me. Krusty knows his sh/t when it comes to tools, he's proven that in the posts I've read. I feel he brought up some legitimate concerns, and I think you, Machine Tech, have legitmately addressed them.

There may be some hard feelings between you two, but no losers here.
 
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