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the cardboard-like backing has pulled away from the brick, and the 2x4's have wasped
 

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l_bilyk

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Luckydevil said:
Resized the pics for ya.

Can you feel any moisture in the backing?

Thankyou

New computer... dont have anything that resizes pics yet

No, I can't feel any moisture

Only about 4 2x4's are visibly warped

How would moisture get in? Through the brick?
 

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i have no idea. Wood ***** like that :lol: Id say maybe the wood has settled or bowed due to the humidity over the summer, and the bricks havent shifted because, well, its brick. Im not masonry expert, nor am I a carpenter, so I can only speculate.

Jim
 
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Yeah I don't know either. There's a vapour barrier between the brown particle board stuff and the brick... the only way water could get in between if the vapour barrier is ripped/damaged

Question is, how do i repair it? I can rip out and replace the 2x4's. What about the particle board?
 

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Remove that section of the wall and replace it. Use screws to hold the plywood down. Kinda of like building it backwards. Shore up the ceiling if it's bearing.
 

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how old is this wall? sometimes the wood just kind of dies out and warps, nothing to really worry about might be like that all the way around your house but your not gonna pull off the drywall and insulation to find out, it's also likely that they didn't use enough or large enough nails if the rough insulation is pulling off like that
 

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Are they all like that or have you noticed just a couple like that. Is it possible that the studs were always warped and you just never noticed it.
 
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evildky said:
how old is this wall? sometimes the wood just kind of dies out and warps, nothing to really worry about might be like that all the way around your house but your not gonna pull off the drywall and insulation to find out, it's also likely that they didn't use enough or large enough nails if the rough insulation is pulling off like that

about 20 years old i think
 
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ChucksCrib said:
Are they all like that or have you noticed just a couple like that. Is it possible that the studs were always warped and you just never noticed it.

Just a couple.. but the brown stuff directly behind it has blimped out too
 
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Blame it on your government - that's what works down here!

If it's never been that way after 20 years and it is now starting to bow, I would look closely at your foundation - seems like under those circumstances, something is moving and not just warping. Is there a tree close to this area? Roots?

Scott
 

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There isn't any real strength in the brown sheathing that you are showing.
Because the 2x4 is only attached to the sheathing and nailed at the top and bottom, it could have bowed without any specific reason. The bowing could have made the sheathing pull away from the 2x4.
If you don't have any water coming in you should be OK.
Keep an eye on the location to see if there are additional changes.
Replace the 2x4 if it bothers you.

Iowa Carpenter.....
 
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realz said:
There isn't any real strength in the brown sheathing that you are showing.
Because the 2x4 is only attached to the sheathing and nailed at the top and bottom, it could have bowed without any specific reason. The bowing could have made the sheathing pull away from the 2x4.
If you don't have any water coming in you should be OK.
Keep an eye on the location to see if there are additional changes.
Replace the 2x4 if it bothers you.

Iowa Carpenter.....

I was going to drywall... and came across this. Now I dont know what to do. Replace 2x4's and drywall? Or replace 2x4 and wait to see what happens. Hmm
 

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Did you just notice it? or has it been there a long time?

I'm guessing that, if the foundation shows no sign of cracking, either something's pushing down on those 4 studs or they just all happened to warp...you could cut through them enough to allow them to straighten back up & then 'sister' new ones up against them & watch for a bit before doing the sheetrock...

...the bricks are only attached to the wall via the little metal bricj ties that are folded over inside a mortar joint so they might not show any change if there's nothing going wrong inside the wall other than wood bending
 
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autoist said:
Did you just notice it? or has it been there a long time?

I'm guessing that, if the foundation shows no sign of cracking, either something's pushing down on those 4 studs or they just all happened to warp...you could cut through them enough to allow them to straighten back up & then 'sister' new ones up against them & watch for a bit before doing the sheetrock...

...the bricks are only attached to the wall via the little metal bricj ties that are folded over inside a mortar joint so they might not show any change if there's nothing going wrong inside the wall other than wood bending

but what are the chances of water getting in behind the bricks and causing it to warp

it seems like 5 2x4's are warped like this in random locations in the garage
 

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Now I'm confused...are there more than 1 warped 2x4 side-by-side in a particular area?...are the 5 2x4's all together or spaced out all around the garage?
 
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autoist said:
Now I'm confused...are there more than 1 warped 2x4 side-by-side in a particular area?...are the 5 2x4's all together or spaced out all around the garage?

2 or 3 are all beside each other

There are 2 warped on the other side of the garage

there is one more that is slighty warped elsewhere

I not realize the total is actually 6
 

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Wood moves around. As it ages, it dries out (even kiln-dried lumber still has about 20% water in it) and it'll shift around. Usually there is a stressed skin nailed to the studs that keeps them from moving in any significant way, but the stuff you have seems to offer no structural strength. A lot of people don't realize that both the plywood/OSB skin of a house and the drywall inside add considerable strength to the structure by tying all the studs together rigidly. With the cardboard stuff you've got, there's no strength and nothing to keep the 2x4s from moving around.

After years in the construction trade, I can tell you this is most likely just the wood doing its thing and probably won't affect the structural integrity of the building. When you add drywall to the inside, it'll keep them from moving any more. With multiple nails/screws in it, you'd be surprised how much shear strength drywall has.

If you're concerned, however, just install some new 2x4s next to these, then cut these out. I don't think it's necessary unless the studs are so warped that they drywall won't lay flat. But I wouldn't worry about structural problems.

Hope this helps.
 
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Matt Harwood said:
Wood moves around. As it ages, it dries out (even kiln-dried lumber still has about 20% water in it) and it'll shift around. Usually there is a stressed skin nailed to the studs that keeps them from moving in any significant way, but the stuff you have seems to offer no structural strength. A lot of people don't realize that both the plywood/OSB skin of a house and the drywall inside add considerable strength to the structure by tying all the studs together rigidly. With the cardboard stuff you've got, there's no strength and nothing to keep the 2x4s from moving around.

After years in the construction trade, I can tell you this is most likely just the wood doing its thing and probably won't affect the structural integrity of the building. When you add drywall to the inside, it'll keep them from moving any more. With multiple nails/screws in it, you'd be surprised how much shear strength drywall has.

If you're concerned, however, just install some new 2x4s next to these, then cut these out. I don't think it's necessary unless the studs are so warped that they drywall won't lay flat. But I wouldn't worry about structural problems.

Hope this helps.


The drywall will NOT lay flat. They bow out quite a bit. I think you're right... this is just wood warping of old age.
 

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Matt Harwood said:
After years in the construction trade, I can tell you this is most likely just the wood doing its thing and probably won't affect the structural integrity of the building. When you add drywall to the inside, it'll keep them from moving any more. With multiple nails/screws in it, you'd be surprised how much shear strength drywall has.

Exactly......
We were on the same page,
but different books........
 
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