Wiring: Corner

[katit]

I'm in process of wiring outlets. Wonder how should I route wire through the corner? M buddy told me that I can just notch studs and then cover with protection plates. Is that ok?

Another picture shows how I wired box, does it look OK to you(staples, distance)?

 

[Ryland]

What are you planning on doing with the outlet that is behind the wires?

 

[katit]

That outlet is a pain. It's end of branch which is good. I will find where it's originating and disable it.

 

[comedyman809]

hole saw and through the corner beams, i think....check and see if that is within regs.

 

[DURAMAT]

Drill with paddle bit will do the trick

 

[Dan0myte]

Just drill a regular 5/8" hole through each of the studs as you did with all the rest. Put a 90 degree bend in the end of the Romex before you feed it into the hole. It should find the other hole on it's own and then just push until it pops through.

I like the stud protectors by the way, good idea. I would screw the outlet boxes in though, not nail them. With repeated plugging and unplugging of devices, nails will work themselves loose over the years. Screws will hold that box tight to the stud for as long as the garage stands.

 

[katit]

Just drill a regular 5/8" hole through each of the studs as you did with all the rest. Put a 90 degree bend in the end of the Romex before you feed it into the hole. It should find the other hole on it's own and then just push until it pops through.

If you look at picture - there is no way to drill 90 degree hole on a right - I have 90 degree drill but it won't fit there. And I got holes but the way studs are - there is no way to pull bent wire in.

Maybe if I make 1 inch hole from the left then I will be able to locate hole easier.

 

[comedyman809]

you need a smalle right angle drill or maybe a flex line drill, or drill in at an angle. that hole can be made, i know it..

i have an IR right angle air drill that i think would work on that. its a 3/8 chuck and if you come in at an angle, you will be able to straighten out and make your hole. you just need enough to pass the romex through.

 

[comedyman809]

o yeah, and you might need some soap or pulling lube. GB makes it and its at any hardware store.

 

[z28snksknr]

I use my 6' long bit for corners like that. With the long bits there is enough flex that you can get in there and get a nice straight hole (while you stand a few feet away).

i recommend getting one regardless, since you can drill through several studs and have them all in a nice line in one shot.

 

[Dan0myte]

If you look at picture - there is no way to drill 90 degree hole on a right - I have 90 degree drill but it won't fit there. And I got holes but the way studs are - there is no way to pull bent wire in.

From what I understand, notching studs and covering with plates is acceptable by code for non-load bearing studs, but I would try and keep it as minimal as possible. Drill a hole through the doubled studs on the left and notch the single stud on the right. I think that would be the simplest option.

 

[Mickey O]

By me we can only use metal conduit (EMT), try that one.

They do make flexible drill bits that would help a lot in that corner.

 

[MrMark]

Just go thru from the next stud over. I would use a 3/4 or 7/8 auger and drill perfectly intersecting holes. You may need an 18 inch auger or probably some extensions. It will be possible with the right extensions (you may need to drill the adjacent stud with a 6 inch auger and then put an extension thru the hole and hook the drill back in with the bit and extension already in place). The trick to go thru the corner is to strip off about 6 inches of the jacket and then cut off 2 of the three wires, leaving only one wire to use as a leader to fish thru the corner. Wrap tape around the romex to create a smooth taper. Pre-bend the single wire and fish it around the corner. You can use your pinky to catch it on the other side. Drilling a 5/8 hole is not a good idea. Too small. I would do 7/8 in the corner as you need room.

You could also go up the top thru the top plate and across the joists and back down if this is an option.

I would fix the stapling on that box. The wires need to be stapled in the center of the stud.

 

[katit]

I would fix the stapling on that box. The wires need to be stapled in the center of the stud.

How would I do that? Not sure what arrangement will be?

 

[MrMark]

How would I do that? Not sure what arrangement will be?

Two ways:

1) use a cable stacker or

2) put both wires under a single staple.



Edit: actually in looking at your picture and where you drilled your hole, you should have no problem just moving the offending wire and its staple over. The wires need to be stapled within 8 inches of the box on this single gang plastic box. (No internal retaining means.)

A tip: You should have drilling your holes a foot or so below (or above) the boxes to give yourself room to make a bend and staple the wire.

 

[katit]

A tip: You should have drilling your holes a foot or so below (or above) the boxes to give yourself room to make a bend and staple the wire.

Yes, I realized that late. I will do that for remaining walls(when I get past corner )

Thanks for advice, I will move that staple.

Do I have to have staple? In one other spot(not pictured) - I have cable coming out of hole about 1-2 inch from a box. Do I need to staple it there?

 

[MrMark]

Yes, I realized that late. I will do that for remaining walls(when I get past corner )

Thanks for advice, I will move that staple.

Do I have to have staple? In one other spot(not pictured) - I have cable coming out of hole about 1-2 inch from a box. Do I need to staple it there?

Not sure I understand but I think the answer is YES. You need to staple the wire within 12 inches (8 inches for the single gang plastic exception) of every box. The hole is not a securing means for the wire where it enters the box.

 

[MrMark]

Make sure you leave yourself 10 inches of wire sticking out the face of the box. This is what I like anyway.

 

[Kevin54]

I'm in process of wiring outlets. Wonder how should I route wire through the corner? M buddy told me that I can just notch studs and then cover with protection plates. Is that ok?

Another picture shows how I wired box, does it look OK to you(staples, distance)?

Up, over, and back down. I wouldn't waste time going through 3 or 4 studs just to save a few feet of wire.

 

[LoneGunman]

By me we can only use metal conduit (EMT), try that one.

They do make flexible drill bits that would help a lot in that corner.

I'm Sooooooooooo glad I'm not an electrician in Chicago, how the hell do you guys do remodels, I can't see someone trying to get a piece of pipe down from the attic. Is Greenfield allowed? We did a job in a historic building, had to be all pipe PLUS we were not allowed to make any holes in the PLASTER that was not existing. One run across the large room was ran by sliding in 4' pieces of conduit at a time, 4' was the longest we could get in the hole. we used a lot of couplings on that job.

 

[katit]

Actually I got wires throug that corner. I made holes slightly bigger, then I took single wire, slightly bent it and pushed in. Wire bent itself more at the end and I was able to pull one stud to the side and pull wire out.

Then I took 12-2 and cut black wire 3 inches, white wire 4 inches making it taper(wrapped into electrical tape) and connected ground to my wire that I fished through. Pulled it through and it worked like a charm. Second one was easy as well.

 

[Torque1st]

Glad you got it done. Now you know how!

I bought a right angle drill attachment many years ago that helps get into tight spaces. I saw one on amazon for $33 but I didn't pay near that much and mine came with a 1/4" chuck. I later replaced the chuck with a 3/8" unit.

 

[katit]

I used this drill that I bought for $25 after coupon on sale. When I was just drilling holes it started to smell funky but works. I have receipt and if I finish garage with this drill - it paid for itself.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=92956

 

[Torque1st]

It may work for a long time...

 

[katit]

Yeah, I know. I was surprised when I needed hammer drill for couple holes I got $20(back then) hammer drill from HF and I still have it and use it around house a lot. "A lot" is not contractor usage but as homeowner I have it for couple years and made at least 50 holes in concrete (not counting regular wood drilling)

 

[Torque1st]

The HF stuff is generally OK for occasional use. Just watch what you buy.

I generally take their tools apart and check out the guts. I sometimes add a dab of grease or give it a good cleaning.

 

[katit]

One more question.. One wall is not 2x4, it's 2x2. It's ok from framing perspective but presents challenges with wiring. If I take wire down stud and staple it as close to the outside as I can - I still can't meet 1 1/4 from edge code requirement

What do I do in this case?

First picture is just wire going down and OUT for outlet outside.

Second picture is box I will need to rewire. So, I will have to come up with some new box AND wire switches. In that box I can make it as little as 2 14/2 wires.

 

[katit]

Anyone? How should I protect those wires in 2x2 space?

 

[Torque1st]

EMT (thin wall metal conduit) will do the job.