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Your modus operandi when tool hunting?

inclined2fish

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Newbie wants to know your established habits and mode of work when looking for tools?

I went to my first estate sale a few weeks ago and bought whatever had "USA" stamped on it. While this shopping style might help one begin to build his tool collection, I doubt its the best long-term approach.

I know to look for the more popular brands like MAC, SnapON, Proto, SK, KD, Craftsman, but what earlier manufactures no longer in production should I watch for?

Thanks.
 
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It's all about using the tool I buy.I'm not into buying old tools just because they say made in USA.I have got to have a reason to buy an older tool.Old rusty wrenches and sockets don't do anything for me,sorry.
 

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Perfectly legit question.

In the beginning you'll buy lots of different brands. Over time your preferences will gel, and you'll likely start hunting for certain brands. But some ppl on this board buy any quality tool and resell it later.

Awhile back I ran a poll to see what brands of wrenches people were most likely to purchase, if they saw one at a sale, and here are the results (not all brands represented of course).

Setup was: "Imagine you are selling a nice mid-sized wrench at your garage sale, for $5. How many GJ forumites would have to walk by, before someone bought your wrench?"

If it was a Snap-on wrench, the first person walking by would buy it. Snap-on is heads and shoulders more desirable than any other brand tested. (You’d have to drop 25% in desirability before you got to second place: Mac, and third place: Blue Point)

If you were selling:
Mac
Blue-point
…1 in 2 people would buy it (50% range).

If you were selling:
Bonney
Matco
Cornwell
Proto USA
Williams
S-K Wayne
…2 out of 5 people would buy it (40% range).

If you were selling:
Armstrong
Craftsman
Wright
Blackhawk
New Britain
Stahlwille
…1 in 3 would buy it (30% range).

If you were selling:
Herbrand
Indestro
Barcalo
Challenger (Proto)
Vlchek
Billings & Spencer
Utica
…1 in 4 or 5 would buy it (20% range).

If you were selling:
Gedore
P&C
Thorsen
Penens
Duro
Hinsdale
Husky
Urrea
1 in 5 to 10 would buy it (19% range and below).

Given that some of the tools in the bottom range are top quality, but relatively "unknown", they represent your best value. People will seriously walk away from Urrea, which is the Mexican Proto. It's a quality tool.
 
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And here are the brands that will make me stop and look:

Armstrong
Barcalo
Billings & Spencer
Blackhawk
Blue-point
Bonney
Challenger (Proto)
Cornwell
Craftsman
Diamond Tool
Duro
Gedore
Hazet
Herbrand
Hinsdale
Husky
Indestro
KD (well not really)
Mac
Matco
New Britain
P&C
Par-X
PB Swiss
Penens
Plomb
Proto
S-K Wayne
Snap-on
Stahlwille
Thorsen
Urrea
Utica
Vlchek
Wera
Wiha
Williams
Wright
 
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jerryW

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I just buy what I like. 99.9% USA made.

Mostly looking for Plomb/Proto and affiliated brands.


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it depends if the tools are "the end" or "the means to an end".

Are you building a collection? or are you building an assortment of useful, quality tools that you will use for their intended purpose?

If the latter look for tools you know you need and assess them for quality. The former? grab anything that says USA and post lots of pictures here and wait for the "You *****".
 

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i only buy what i have a use for.
mainly to fill out partial sets, replace lost tools, or a "convience" type tool for some new nut, bolt, or gizmo i run across.

i dont buy many new tools anymore, unless i can get a deal on them
the brands i look for for work use are
snapon
matco
SK
CM
OTC
for home use
snapon
matco
mac (only for home use, and dirt cheap)
armstrong
sk
proto
CM
OTC
all depends on what mood i'm in, and how good the deal is. if it's something i need, or know i will use, i'll pay a little more.

:beer:
 
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what earlier manufactures no longer in production should I watch for?

Thanks.

I usually skip brands that no longer exist. I like being able to get a warranty replacement if I have a problem. I do have a few nice Bonney items, though.

Also, older sockets and wrenches seem to have designs that are more likely to round off fasteners. By this I mean they don't have Flank-Drive type designs and grab at the corners of a fastener.

I have some older Proto Challenger and Challenger wrenches that I like, but if I frequently used those sizes I'd look for something newer with a better design

BTW- If you're just building your first set, it be looking for Craftsman mostly. You can find it cheap by the bucket full at most pawn shops and other places. You can always replace the Craftsman items as you find good deals on better brands.
 

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Also, older sockets and wrenches seem to have designs that are more likely to round off fasteners. By this I mean they don't have Flank-Drive type designs and grab at the corners of a fastener.

Here's a pic that illustrates what I'm talking about. I believe the socket on the left has a design that won't put as much stress on the corner of the fastener.

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Another note--I pretty much always skip 12-point sockets. Except for 12-point fasteners, I don't see any use for them.
 

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I've been a "treasure hunter" for all of my life, haunting junk shops, flea markets, auctions, yard sales, estate sales, etc. After more than 50 years of this, I have come to understand a few things.

The first and most vital thing is, you must decide WHY you are looking for used tools (or any other used items).
Some folks love to slowly gather up bargain-priced items over many months, and then eventually resell them (hopefully for a profit). Other people hate that.
Some people really appreciate older high quality tools, and enjoy having them in their tool box. Others are ashamed of anything which is not the "latest thing" in perfect condition.
A few folks want tools just for collections, which will be painted or plated, and hung on the wall or otherwise displayed.
Some folks are trying to build up a working collection of premium quality USA-made tools, without spending a fortune for them. (These folks are willing to wait a while before their set will be completely filled out...if ever).
Other folks hate all that, and prefer to step onto the tool truck (or into Sears, or wherever), and simply open up a line of credit and get all the premium quality tools at once...and they are willing to pay for it.
Other folks don't like that at all, and hate paying lots of interest.
Some folks cannot stand it when their tools are not all the same brand, in matching colors, etc.
Others prefer really good tools which they bought at a bargain.
NEITHER SIDE IS WRONG...it's just personal preference.

So, WHY would you personally be shopping for used tools?

Using me as an example...I am not a professional technician, so I cannot justify going deeply into debt or exhausting my bank account to buy tens of thousands of dollars of super tools all at once.
My vintage tools are just as interesting to me as the vintage cars I use them upon.
I LOVE going to yard sales, auctions, etc--and I love driving around, hunting for great bargains. It's not, "...a waste of a Saturday," ...it's a great day and I'm enjoying it fully! Hunting tools is great fun for me.
Old super high-quality USA-made or European-made tools impress the hell out of me. I like having them in my box--especially with a little wear and patina--whether or not I use them very often.
It's no problem for me, as an example, having a set of premium-brand sockets which is missing two sizes of that brand (I have lots of other sets of most tools, and can almost always find the tool I need. So what if it isn't the same brand as the socket set I was using a minute ago?) In fact, that's kind of cool. It gives me something specific to hunt for, and keeps me motivated to dig through rusty tools and old tool boxes.
I like selling stuff on eBay, and I set up a booth two or three times a year at regional flea markets. I love haggling and negotiating with other buyers and sellers of all kinds of stuff. And I like it even more when I'm selling items at higher prices than I paid for them. :thumbup:
But other folks would rather take an azz-whipping than have to, "...haul a bunch of junk to a market and sit with it all weekend, arguing with people over prices." :mad:
I hope one day I will have a fabulous collection of super-quality USA and Euro-made tools, with very little invested. And I'm willing to work for it, and to wait on it. (In fact, in a perfect world I'll pay for most of it by selling the other tools I buy in those big "package deals" I'm always making.)

In short...I'm enjoying myself. But other folks can't imagine what the hell is wrong with me! :lol_hitti

You've already been given a great list of tool brands by Bolster and others, and gotten some great hints. I'll give you one more, which I came to learn this year: Tools which are marked with sizes and "Made in USA", with no brand name may be GREAT to work with, but generally speaking they have no more value than the Asian import tools.

Now, armed with all this information, you need only decide why you want to learn how to hunt for used tool bargains, and then get going!

Good luck! :beer:
 

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Here's my advice for buying tools at pawn shops:

If they have multiple hand boxes that are being sold, they might sell things a piece at a time. Ask if they will. If they will, take a few things that you want (presumably name brand/high quality) along with a few pieces of junk items and see if they'll give you a bulk price. Try to find out if the pawn shop employee knows the difference between the quality items and the junk. Don't let on that YOU know the difference between the high quality and the junk. If he/she doesn't, then you have a potential great place to shop. Even if they do know the difference, they might not know that much. For example, there used to be a pawn shop in my town (closed now) that thought C'man hand tools was the best thing going and priced them close to retail. But they didn't have a clue about other quality brands. Anything that wasn't C'man could be had for $1 per wrench, $2 per ratchet, etc. But C'man was priced approximately 50%-2/3rds of retail. Go figure.

Also one final tidbit. Not to slander the gentler ***, but most women don't know squat about hand tools. If you go to a shop and they're several employees, try and arrange it so you can ask the female for a price. The chance of her knowing what's junk and what's not is highly unlikely.
 

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And here are the brands that will make me stop and look:

Armstrong
Barcalo
Billings & Spencer
Blackhawk
Blue-point
Bonney
Challenger (Proto)
Cornwell
Craftsman
Diamond Tool
Duro
Gedore
Hazet
Herbrand
Hinsdale
Husky
Indestro
KD (well not really)
Mac
Matco
New Britain
P&C
Par-X
PB Swiss
Penens
Plomb
Proto
S-K Wayne
Snap-on
Stahlwille
Thorsen
Urrea
Utica
Vlchek
Wera
Wiha
Williams
Wright

Very nice list,really impressive that you put it in alphabetical order!:thumbup:
 
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inclined2fish

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Sound advice from all. Thanks.

The intent of my question was to create of short list of brands to think twice about the next I'm at an estate sale, pawn shop, etc.
 

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Get yourself a notebook and a canvas shopping bag. Take stock of your toolbox and list out what you're missing and what tools you're looking forand what tools you want to upgrade. Then you can shop the estate sales and garage sale with purpose and you won't be buying doubles. Use the canvas bag to dump all the tools you're buying into then when checking out place the bag on the desk and ask "How much for everything?". If they'll give you a bag price it'll be a lot less than priced individually.
 

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I look for old tool boxes filled with old tools. Many times you can grab a good size tool box full of all kind of brands for 25-50 dollars. I look quickly and just ask how much for the entire box. Then when I get it home I go on the treasure hunt. 9 times out of 10 I find some really cool stuff that normally goes unnoticed. I also hit the tables at flea markets where tools are just thrown on the table. I'll pick up what I want and ask how much for the bundle. You always get a better deal buying in quanity.
 
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