So as the box is powder coated at the factory, I doubt most body shops, (if ANY), would be able to replicate as durable a finish, even if they could match the color. PPG Deltron is NOT anywhere close to powder coating in terms of durabliity.
my KRL just fell over
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So as the box is powder coated at the factory, I doubt most body shops, (if ANY), would be able to replicate as durable a finish, even if they could match the color. PPG Deltron is NOT anywhere close to powder coating in terms of durabliity.
Doesn't it say right on the toolbox how to push it across the floor safely? I for one don't ride my bike across RR tracks or try to jump a curb at a shallow angle...just asking for trouble. Sorry for the ill fate of your box but there is plenty of evidence that puts blame on you as well.
I wonder how the big Craftsman Pro $10,000 box would have held up???
I wonder how the big Craftsman Pro $10,000 box would have held up???
something finally gets it. thank you.
tonydanzah
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no problem
yea, it does, an generally i do push. the difference here would have been it falling forwards. would have been a front caster and not a rear.
brian90505
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I can't see anyone forking over the $9k or so cost for a new replacement for that damage, as unfortunate as it is. Repair method and materials (bondo, paint versus powdercoat) will not be an issue for you to insist on a new replacement. A minor dent on a new car fender gets fixed, the car is not replaced. I do however, hope that you get what you want.
its not as minor as it looks.
theres wamps and warps and creases near every corner. i had some things hanging from the back of my box that did some damage.
that is some thick as steel
THIS should be the new test. screw dump trucks, fill SO box and every competitor and tip them over.
theres wamps and warps and creases near every corner. i had some things hanging from the back of my box that did some damage.
that is some thick as steel
THIS should be the new test. screw dump trucks, fill SO box and every competitor and tip them over.
for those asking the box is 3~ years old and was in as new condition. a few scratches from people leaning things on it while im off shift, but other that that i had never so much as dented a corner moving it.
and i own a cart. not all jobs can be done from a cart.
and i own a cart. not all jobs can be done from a cart.
i think a craftsman would have exploded in that situation. but meh, what can you do? i had that thing loaded with HD tools, everything from 1/4 sockets to 2 1/4 wrenches and 3/4 sockets.
im most shocked at all of the drawer rails that got damaged.
ray of light: management was not telling the union their plan to 'repair', i had to tell them, union was confused, told management nothing short of replacement would be acceptable. its a wait and see now.
what would a SO driver give for trade in on this box?
im most shocked at all of the drawer rails that got damaged.
ray of light: management was not telling the union their plan to 'repair', i had to tell them, union was confused, told management nothing short of replacement would be acceptable. its a wait and see now.
what would a SO driver give for trade in on this box?
TheGrooveking
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So what part of it is his fault because the floor drain caved? Your logic doesn't make sense. Just because there is a label on the tool box how the hell does that warn you of something like a floor drain is going to fail? Let me guess your next response will be he should of xrayed the floor drain and did load testing of it before moving his toolbox across it?
As the OP listed they have a forklift which places a similar load on the floor / floor drain so that too could had an issue, or maybe previously weakend/stressed the drain. I see it this way, he moved his tool box as part of his job the surface supplied by the company that supports the toolbox failed, gravity did it's job. So how is he at fault?
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welderwink
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I hope the other guys in your shop realize this could have happened to their boxes as well and support you in your fight against the management.
bmrisko
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...yea, but a piece of thin metal plate would have worked wonders. You would think if this is as common at the shop as the OP says then the people working there would devise their own temporary solution while management is not addressing it. Gotta move your box across the shop? Throw down that piece of plate across the drain to spread the load and keep it from caving in as you roll your box across.
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I agree. After the first box had problems, I would have made sure I found a way to get across it safely.
bmrisko
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...and if the plate is too thick and creates a curb, just bevel the edges to create a smooth transition.
mooman
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x3 on this point.
Curious, does the company have a policy for replacing tools and other equipment.
i dont know if there is anything in writing on a policy.
but apparently there is something there.
the boxes are insured, from what ive heard the deductible is huge. bigger than the msrp on the box. its intended for disaster/theft more than one incident.
but apparently there is something there.
the boxes are insured, from what ive heard the deductible is huge. bigger than the msrp on the box. its intended for disaster/theft more than one incident.
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Displaced Hokie
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*Rant* As a previous shop owner, if a tech came to me with this I'd offer to repair his box in the manner this owner is doing (body shop). Plus I'd fix the drain. If the tech has issues with this and made a huge deal of it, he'd go walking. Then I'd let the other techs know that I would be willing to do the same repair again should something similar happen in the future for whatever reason. I'd also strongly suggest that folks not fill the shop with these overpriced shop ornaments.
Look, I like a nice box too. But I quickly got tired of having to be so careful around folks with these designer boxes. It's like parking your Porsche in the middle of a busy work bay, filled with lots of rusty, sharp, and heavy objects. Something is bound to happen. I know I'll catch hell for this, but it's my opinion.
Sh!t happens. Straighten, paint, move on. Plus, the box is only worth it's resale value, not replacement.
Look, I like a nice box too. But I quickly got tired of having to be so careful around folks with these designer boxes. It's like parking your Porsche in the middle of a busy work bay, filled with lots of rusty, sharp, and heavy objects. Something is bound to happen. I know I'll catch hell for this, but it's my opinion.
Sh!t happens. Straighten, paint, move on. Plus, the box is only worth it's resale value, not replacement.
You make some excellent counterpoints but how's a body shop tech. trained to make structural repairs to a KRL box? Cosmetic scratches is one thing but misaligned structural elements, broken welds and damaged caster mounts is a whole different ballgame.
Would you want employees rolling or working around a 6' high piece of equipment that weighs 1000+ lbs not knowing if it's structurally sound? That has liability risk written all over it since you have prior knowledge of it's deficiencies and attempted to repair it.
I think if I were the shop owner I'd probably call in the SO rep. and have them replace the unit with a repo. or trade in box (ie not new) and take the old box in trade to do with as they see fit. I'd also make it clear to the SO dealer to sharpen their pencil in this particular situation.
P.S. I'm assuming the OP is accurately describing structural problems vs a few cosmetic scratches.
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tonydanzah
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If I had a nice box that got damaged and the boss told me he would have it straightened and painted I would be pissed. I would want the box replaced, and if he let me go because of it, I think I would be talking to a lawyer.
BackTracker
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Any time you use your insurance you are put into a database and become higher risk to insure. NEVER use YOUR insurance if you can help it.
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bmrisko
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For those times when you can't afford not to use it...
I hope this works out for you to YOUR satisfaction. There is no reason you should have to take it in the *** because of ****** building maintanence. The threat of unemployment shouldn't factor into this at all as you could have been seriously hurt from the damn thing falling on you.
A lesser built box would have blown apart like a beer can.
A lesser built box would have blown apart like a beer can.
Stick Figure
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I wouldn't settle for a repair and repaint. On the other hand if there as a problem with rolling it over the floor drain i would have made it very well known over and over again. I tend to ***** a LOT for things like this. Sadly it seems like thats the only way this stuff ever seems to get accomplished.
Griff93
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As a tech, that pretty much sums up how I'd feel about it as well. The shop owner would be negligent in not fixing the drain grate after the first incident.
welderwink
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Well he is in a Union shop and the reason for unions is to protect us workers from bosses like you.
Yea something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it but it was damaged by a shops inability to maintain a safe working environment. Someone posted on a earlier page about the drain being not being rated to the loads that would go over it.
Normal wear and tear on a box is one thing, but this far from normal. He never said anything about telling people to be "so careful" around his box.
And if you were an owner you would have dodged a huge bullet with that box not landing on anyone. That could have really hurt someone if not worse. And as the owner/boss it would be on you for not having the proper drain grate.
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Bolster
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Lot of big blustery talk on here about how "I wouldn't take it!" Everybody always makes Big-Man-I'd-Fight statements on the internet. I suppose all you guys would go Rambo on the boss, yeah? Kick him in the nuts and shove his tie down his throat?
In reality the OP is going to have to use a lot of tact and wisdom to get the best settlement he can. I hope the OP is listening more to the calm voices of reason here.
In reality the OP is going to have to use a lot of tact and wisdom to get the best settlement he can. I hope the OP is listening more to the calm voices of reason here.
Unless you had a buddy or found a good samaritan lawyer they'd be taking a decent chunk of change in fees just to represent you and it would be up front, before you got anything. The average hourly rate for a lawyer is something like $280.00. After all is said and done you'd probably get your new box, lose your job and get a bad rep from that employer [which i guess the OP doesnt care about but i would especially if it was government] and then you'd be out however many thousands for the lawyer. Its a lose/lose.
Really the only economical way to go about it is to start a small claims case for whatever the maximum is. The question is, is ******* off the employer and losing the job worth it? Up to the OP and his union.
Perhaps they can work out some other form of compensation like an annual raise to offset the cost of the box and simply repair the busted one back to working order.
Or like someone else said have the shop purchase it for community storage.
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tonydanzah
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Never said anything about going rambo, but your basically saying its ok for management to fire you to fix something that was damaged by there property. I have worked at places that happily replaced the tech items if damaged happened like this. I had always assumed it was the norm as you make a living with these things. I guess I have been sheltered.
ugapug
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Two words: union employee. Any boss that would try to fire him based upon the shop's negligence would quickly find him/herself in a quagmire not easily escaped.
TCJ1981
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Who would do this work? I don't know of any certified tool box repair shops around here. Maybe they're more of them some place else, but I've never seen any. I dont think body shops would be up to the task to do it safely, but maybe I'm wrong.
BackTracker
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i must agree. well said sir.
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Stick Figure
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I can't imagine working in a shop like Displaced Hokie mentioned ..... if people can't be careful around my possessions, then they better be willing to provide what i need to do the job or look for another employee. I take care of the things i own period.
If wrenches are flying all over the shop in a manor that a box could get damaged in a normal day, i can't even imaging the quality of working coming out of there. I mean i know there are guys on here working on heavy machinery that probably see so much abuse that an environment like that wouldn't be a huge deal, but i know building peoples dream cars for them like i do, an attitude like that just wouldn't work.
If wrenches are flying all over the shop in a manor that a box could get damaged in a normal day, i can't even imaging the quality of working coming out of there. I mean i know there are guys on here working on heavy machinery that probably see so much abuse that an environment like that wouldn't be a huge deal, but i know building peoples dream cars for them like i do, an attitude like that just wouldn't work.