Replacement power switch for drill press

[Woods_Wanderer]

So I'm nearly done restoring a powermatic 1200 drill press, but I'm having real trouble finding a power switch for the single phase motor I got. It originally came with a momentary switch and 3phase magnetic starter. I'd really like to replace it with a similar push-button sustained switch (1P, 120/240v) but I can only find cheap junk on Amazon, or really expensive momentary switches on zoro.

The powermatic 1150 I used to own had a really nice switch, but I can't find one on ebay.

Suggestions?

 

[FrankLee]

I've got this heavy duty toggle switch. I also have a push-button switch, but no cover.

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[mm08822]

Start looking around with this description:

HUBBELL WIRING DEVICE-KELLEMS Manual Motor Switch: No Enclosure, 30 A Amps AC, 3 Poles, 600 V AC​

I'm sure you can find cheaper for lower rated switches. Finger guards are a good idea.

Or are you looking for a 2 button rocker style instead of the toggle style I mentioned above?

Does your motor have thermal overload protection in it?

 

[jbfsr]

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00KPEFL2I/?tag=atomicindus08-20

This maybe?

 

[tarmy]

This…iffin’ you like safety.

on the drill press if something gets away from you your head can shut it off while you hold the part or my knee on the tablesaw…

 

[Norcal]

Post details & you might be able to repurpose the original starter for the DP, beats using ChiCom garbage like the paddle switch on the Powermatic table saw. It will maintain the same vintage look too, if the starter/control station is able to be reused.

 

[bubinga]

I've got this heavy duty toggle switch. I also have a push-button switch, but no cover.

FS: Craftsman 80/100/150 Drill Press Parts & More

I've got lots of King-Seeley and Emerson Craftsman drill press parts. Craftsman 80, 100, 150; 12-1/4", 13-1/2", 15-1/2". Lots of Craftsman 115.6962 motor parts. Some parts shown are for table saws/band saws/jointers/grinders flanges. If you don't see it here, ask. I do have a couple cast...

www.garagejournal.com

That switch looks a lot like the one I put on my circa 1966 delta 14" bandsaw.
Gives it a nice period correct look!

 

[walta]

It may be possible to reuse the original motor starter and controls.

Do you know what voltage is required to operate the coil in the old motor starer? If you lucky it is 24 volts but 120 and 240 are also common.

The old control buttons could be wired to a new motor starter or the old control buttons could be wired to a VFD that would make 3 phase power to run to original motor this would also allow you to change the motors speed by twisting a knob.

Does the new motors tag say it is thermally protected?

Walta

 

[Snip's]

"or really expensive momentary switches on zoro."

Are you saying a momentary switch would work for you?

How about this?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/402777187386

 

[Woods_Wanderer]

This machine was partly disassembled then left in the rain for 2 years and the mag starter is trashed. Also, it's 3 phase and I've swapped a "new" 1960's single phase motor into it. Not sure if the motor is thermally protected. I have the original switch for it, but it's momentary and I assume I need a maintained switch since it's just closing the circuit to the motor.
I'll post more pictures when I get home.

 

[Woods_Wanderer]

Here's the old switch, I'd ideally like something similar though it does not have to be recessed flat.

The motor is not thermally protected.

Jbfsr's link is about the form factor I'm look for, I'd just really like something better than a cheap imported switch.

 

[rharman]

Foot switch?

 

[Norcal]

Here's the old switch, I'd ideally like something similar though it does not have to be recessed flat.

The motor is not thermally protected.

Jbfsr's link is about the form factor I'm look for, I'd just really like something better than a cheap imported switch.

A prized item is Cutler-Hammer art deco motor starting switches, unless one gets lucky sellers want a lot of money for them.



lucky sellers want a lot of money for them.

 

[Woods_Wanderer]

A prized item is Cutler-Hammer art deco motor starting switches, unless one gets lucky sellers want a lot of money for them.



lucky sellers want a lot of money for them.

That is exactly what my PM1150 had!

 

[AntonLargiader]

That is nice. My PM1150 has a much simpler Furnas switch with a Telemechanique starter.

 

[Norcal]

That is exactly what my PM1150 had!

Yours was a Furnas control station, not C-H.

 

[walta]

Are you OK with using the motor without overload protection knowing that any fault or someone applying excessive pressure to a dull bit for too long would likely damage the motor beyond all repair.

It is not a bad strategy assuming the motor is easily replaceable and the operators are not likely to abuse the equipment.

Please post photos of the control box that goes with the buttons.



Walta

 

[Norcal]

That is nice. My PM1150 has a much simpler Furnas switch with a Telemechanique starter.

Powermatic used Gould/ITE controls, who later sold their industrial controls div. to Telemechanique.

 

[FrankLee]

I've got this heavy duty toggle switch. I also have a push-button switch, but no cover.

FS: Craftsman 80/100/150 Drill Press Parts & More

I've got lots of King-Seeley and Emerson Craftsman drill press parts. Craftsman 80, 100, 150; 12-1/4", 13-1/2", 15-1/2". Lots of Craftsman 115.6962 motor parts. Some parts shown are for table saws/band saws/jointers/grinders flanges. If you don't see it here, ask. I do have a couple cast...

www.garagejournal.com

Here's my other C-H switch available.

 

[Woods_Wanderer]

Can this be repaired and retrofitted to run on 1ph 240v?

Failing that, is there a good option that will give me thermal overload protection? I spend a lot of time finding a period correct motor.

FrankLee I like that switch, you don't have the cover plate for it?

 

[Norcal]

Can this be ra
Failing that, is there a good option that will give me thermal overload protection? I spend a lot of time finding a period correct motor.

FrankLee I like that switch, you don't have the cover plate for it?

That switch will be hard to find a cover for, and does not provide overload protection. What is the coil voltage? The label is on top of the starter, listing the motor HP would be helpful too, being a NEMA size 00 the single phase HP is limited to 1/3 HP @115V, & 1 HP @ 230V, Furnas was known for dual voltage coils, so commonly either 120/240V, or 240/480V.

 

[walta]

Can this be repaired and retrofitted to run on 1ph 240v?

Failing that, is there a good option that will give me thermal overload protection? I spend a lot of time finding a period correct motor.

Yes I think to could work if you are going to plug the drill into a 240 volt outlet.
Do you see a tag like the one in this photo ?
Post a photo of the chart on the inside of the cover.

Walta

 

[walta]

Remove and disguard the 3 wires with red arrows.
post a new photo so I can see the red wires below.
Walta

 

[Woods_Wanderer]

Remove and disguard the 3 wires with red arrows.
post a new photo so I can see the red wires below.
Walta

The motor is 1.5HP, I posted a picture of the motor plate in post #11 here. The cover plate for the starter is long since gone. It appears to be missing some insulators, too. The starter is listed as being rated for 3ph 230v 1.5HP, but only 9amps. Max draw for the the motor is listed at 9.4 amps for 230v single phase.

Edit: the red wires connect: lower left -> W (at the very top right)
lower right -> L2
V -> 3

 

[Norcal]

The single phase HP values I listed are for a NEMA size OO, a NEMA size 1 is required for a 1 1/2 HP motor @115V, & a size 0 @ 230V.

 

[walta]

Step 1 Move the jumper from red and green to green and blue.

Step 2 Add a new jumper wire from yellow to red.

Step 3 Apply 240 volts from yellow to blue and listen for the coil to pull in.

You will need new heaters to match this motor E54 should hold at 8.99 amps.

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Walta

 

[Norcal]

Step 1 Move the jumper from red and green to green and blue.

Step 2 Add a new jumper wire from yellow to red.

Step 3 Apply 240 volts from yellow to blue and listen for the coil to pull in.

You will need new heaters to match this motor E54 should hold at 8.99 amps.

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Walta

Step 1 Move the jumper from red and green to green and blue.

Step 2 Add a new jumper wire from yellow to red.

Step 3 Apply 240 volts from yellow to blue and listen for the coil to pull in.

You will need new heaters to match this motor E54 should hold at 8.99 amps.

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Walta

It still is not rated for a 1 1/2 HP single phase motor, the OP needs either a NEMA size 0, or 1, depending on the desired voltage, a size 00 is too small.

 

[tool_scrounge]

It still is not rated for a 1 1/2 HP single phase motor, the OP needs either a NEMA size 0, or 1, depending on the desired voltage, a size 00 is too small.

Per code, is it allowed to use the max current rated heater for the starter and thus limit the max current of the motor to something less that it’s rated HP?

 

[walta]

I agree that if this machine was on a production line and the full 1.5 horsepower was required given down time would be costly and there was a budget for a $700 motor starter it would get one.

My guess is the OP would not spend the money for a new starter and the drill press is likely to drill a small hole a few times a week.

This it the starter He has let’s see if we can make it work knowing it is not perfect. Without this starter the drill press seems likely to end up with a simple switch and zero overload protection.

Technically if the drill press is plugged into an outlet does code still apply?

Walta

 

[Norcal]

I agree that if this machine was on a production line and the full 1.5 horsepower was required given down time would be costly and there was a budget for a $700 motor starter it would get one.

My guess is the OP would not spend the money for a new starter and the drill press is likely to drill a small hole a few times a week.

This it the starter He has let’s see if we can make it work knowing it is not perfect. Without this starter the drill press seems likely to end up with a simple switch and zero overload protection.

Technically if the drill press is plugged into an outlet does code still apply?

Walta

It does not have to be a new one.

 

[walta]

A used one would be nice but they don’t often come cheap.

Walta

 

[Woods_Wanderer]

I'd rather not put much more than a hundred into a switch/starter if I can avoid it, but I'm also not sure exactly what to look for. Can someone link me a suitable example, preferably one that can also be used on 120v? My current 15amp 120v won't run it but I'm hoping to upgrade my garage wiring in the future.

 

[Woods_Wanderer]

My guess is the OP would not spend the money for a new starter and the drill press is likely to drill a small hole a few times a week.

Walta

I mostly used my mag drill for large holes, but I'm planning to run my tapping head off this machine as well as everyday drilling.

 

[Woods_Wanderer]

It still is not rated for a 1 1/2 HP single phase motor, the OP needs either a NEMA size 0, or 1, depending on the desired voltage, a size 00 is too small.

Would this work?

Used Cutler Hammer Size 0 Starter A10bn0 For Sale

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[walta]

Looks great but it will need heater sized for your motor.

Walt

 

[Norcal]

Would this work?

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While Cutler-Hammer, Citation, starters are my favorite & have heaps of them, they have been obsolete since the mid 1990's that NEMA size 0 is still only rated for a 1 1/2 HP motor when run on 240V, a NEMA size 1 is required to run it on 120V, it has a 120V coil, & the NEMA type 12 enclosure is well suited for wood & metalworking machines.

 

[rancherbill]

This…iffin’ you like safety.

This is what you need. Safety has come along way since the drill press was originally built.

 

[nadogail]

The last motor control I had to buy came from Automation Direct.

 

[Norcal]

This is what you need. Safety has come along way since the drill press was originally built.

Why defile a fine quality machine with ChiCom garbage??

 

[rancherbill]

Why defile a fine quality machine with ChiCom garbage??

Safety trumps aesthetics every time and in every way.

I cut my hand and had a BIG bandage. I heard 10 days of stories about tool related injuries and nerve damage. Do you want to be a storyteller?