tube benders

[Craftman]

Hi,

I am looking for a tube benders in the range off 300$,
I whant to make rock sliders, stigner, cages, and all the good stuff.


I saw one in my budget at my local Princes auto/Hf
http://www.princessauto.com/garage/...tal-benders-acces_/8068033-16-ton-pipe-bender

would it make what i whant to do?

And what would you guys recommend I whant to try to buy it locally because of the shipping cost for heavy stuff...

 

[Keep]

I am not sure that will do what you want. Not sure if that will do DOM tubing.

I could be wrong but that is what I was told when I was shopping for one.

 

[gtivr4]

That is a pipe bender, NOT a tube bender. Do a search for tube bender on here, and you will find lots of posts. $300 is VERY low end.

 

[38 Special]

That is a pipe bender, not a tubing bender. Pipe is measured inside and tubing outside. They are not interchangable. A pipe bender will kink tubing. Look at the ProTools105 or JD Squared benders for tubing.

 

[veilside180sx]

The Pro Tools or JD2 will cost roughly $600 with a die set. The TubeTek will cost less than $400.

Between those...I'd take the JD2. (I've owned both the TT and the JD2)

(of course...I have a Baileigh now and could not be happier)

 

[Craftman]

http://www.jd2.com/shop/custom.aspx?recid=1

this seems pretty good but doesent seems like it comes with dies?

 

[Craftman]

http://www.jd2.com/shop/custom.aspx?recid=1

this seems good but i dont think it commes with dies?

 

[veilside180sx]

The Model 3 is what I was referring to. It does not come with a die, you'll have to factor that into your cost model.

 

[Jack Olsen]

The type of bender you're looking at doesn't 'wrap' the bend -- it just forces a kind of controlled kink. I only know of a couple guys trying those, and the conclusion was that they were useless.

If you do a search here, you'll find other options for actual mechanical benders (JD2, Pro-tools, JMR).

Links

http://www.jd2.com/shop/
http://www.pro-tools.com/
http://www.jmrmfg.com/store/JMR-Manual-Tube-Bender/?page=1

 

[blaze_125]

or make your own
http://www.pro-tools.com/200k.htm

 

[Craftman]

or make your own
http://www.pro-tools.com/200k.htm

did you do it?

 

[crewchief888]

Hi,

I am looking for a tube benders in the range off 300$,
I whant to make rock sliders, stigner, cages, and all the good stuff.


I saw one in my budget at my local Princes auto/Hf
http://www.princessauto.com/garage/...tal-benders-acces_/8068033-16-ton-pipe-bender

would it make what i whant to do?

And what would you guys recommend I whant to try to buy it locally because of the shipping cost for heavy stuff...

as mentioned before, these benders will kink or crush DOM tubing.
pipe is heavier wall, usually around 0.145" thick vs the lighter 0.125 or less dom.
i use a cheaper HF version ( without the return springs) to bend up rock sliders, stingers, mounts ect. works well with black pipe.

 

[Craftman]

as mentioned before, these benders will kink or crush DOM tubing.
pipe is heavier wall, usually around 0.145" thick vs the lighter 0.125 or less dom.
i use a cheaper HF version ( without the return springs) to bend up rock sliders, stingers, mounts ect. works well with black pipe.

so techniquely what you saying is that you use one of these type of ''benders''
without the return spring and it works well for what I whant to do?

 

[crewchief888]

so techniquely what you saying is that you use one of these type of ''benders''
without the return spring and it works well for what I whant to do?

if you're wanting to bend black, or galvinized pipe they work great.
if you're trying to bend DOM tubing, you wont be happy at all.

 

[srmofo]

I couldnt get one of the pipe benders in the OP to do anything other than crush exhaust tubing. I cant tell you what it does to black pipe.

this page may help you a bit.
http://www.honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2812853

 

[Craftman]

please educate me on Dom, black pipe, tubing, pipe??

 

[e-tek]

please educate me on Dom, black pipe, tubing, pipe??

DOM = Drawn Over Mandrel - a tube without a seam, it's melted over a mandrel to form it - used for roll cages and frames

Black Pipe - stuff used for air lines....

tubing - seamed tubing, flat steel that is rolled and welded at the seam

pipe - stuff water runs through!

 

[Craftman]

wow thnx for the response helps allot!

Im looking im to:

1. buying a Jd2

2. making my own with plans.. any input

 

[2drx4]

I wouldn't make my own unless I had access to a mill. Yes, a good drill press could get the job done, but the idea doesn't really get me too *****.


Also, if you're friends with any locals (or semi-locals) that have benders, see what they have... Trick Tools JD2 model 3s are common in BC, but Alberta has more Pro-Tools benders. Why? It's what is sold locally. And the reality is if a friend has a bender, you're going to want to borrow/trade dies with him as needed, so you'd better get a bender that takes the same dies.

I have a JD2, all my friends have JD2s. I have a 1", 1.5" tight, and a 1.75" die. My friends have a range of dies from 1" to 2.5", and most of them are more than willing to lend them if I need them.

 

[Craftman]

I wouldn't make my own unless I had access to a mill. Yes, a good drill press could get the job done, but the idea doesn't really get me too *****.


Also, if you're friends with any locals (or semi-locals) that have benders, see what they have... Trick Tools JD2 model 3s are common in BC, but Alberta has more Pro-Tools benders. Why? It's what is sold locally. And the reality is if a friend has a bender, you're going to want to borrow/trade dies with him as needed, so you'd better get a bender that takes the same dies.

I have a JD2, all my friends have JD2s. I have a 1", 1.5" tight, and a 1.75" die. My friends have a range of dies from 1" to 2.5", and most of them are more than willing to lend them if I need them.

great tip! thnx for the response my probleme is more getting a tube bender locally, Im in ottawa and montreal and dont seem to find mutch??

 

[blaze_125]

did you do it?

I did not, I just saw the option when I clicked the link.

 

[csp]

DOM = Drawn Over Mandrel - a tube without a seam, it's melted over a mandrel to form it - used for roll cages and frames

DOM tubing starts out as flat stock rolled into a tube then welded also.

DOM starts out as ERW tubing Drawn Over a Mandrel to press/work the seam into the rest of the stock so that it has a uniform wall thickness around the entire circumference. It isn't melted over the mandrel to form the round shape. It's a cold process that improves the structure and working characteristics of the tube. It does still have a seam, but it's hard to see.

True seamless tubing is a piece of solid round stock that's drawn over a series of mandrels by rollers at about 2500°F, under extremely high pressures. It's an extrusion process. It isn't typically used in an automotive application, whether it's a 4x4, race car, or on a bone stock vehicle.

DOM is often referred to as seamless tubing, but that is incorrect.

 

[Craftman]

as mentioned before, these benders will kink or crush DOM tubing.
pipe is heavier wall, usually around 0.145" thick vs the lighter 0.125 or less dom.
i use a cheaper HF version ( without the return springs) to bend up rock sliders, stingers, mounts ect. works well with black pipe.

do you have pictures of your work?

why do you use black pipe for this application?

whats the difference in price I know price vary betwen region and country but whats the price diference betwen black pipe, dom and pipe?

 

[csp]

why do you use black pipe for this application?

You didn't ask me, but none of those applications is a structural application.

Nobody is going to die if a rock slider bends.

whats the difference in price I know price vary betwen region and country but whats the price diference betwen black pipe, dom and pipe?

I don't know the specifics, but pipe (black pipe IS pipe) will be cheaper than tubing. The word pipe refers to any type of tubing meant to carry something, whether it be hydraulic fluid, water, pneumatics, or poop. It's all pipe, so don't use that term to mean anything specific.

Pipe has different strength ratings also. These are usually rated against bursting pressures, and not resistance to bend or dent. Tubing is rated for structure, not internal pressures.

Tubing is more consistent in its crystalline structure than pipe, so it is more consistent for structural applications. That's why you use tubing in a situation where your life may depend on it.

HREW will be cheaper than DOM. DOM will be cheaper than chromoly tube.

Keep in mind that design is just as important, or even more important than the materials used in certain applications.

 

[Craftman]

so if I buy the bender in the link that I posted earlir 16ton jack.. And That I would use black pipe to make my rock sliders and all escept the cage I would be good to go?

can you post pics of your work?

And technaqually If I buy the bender I would be good to go with all pipes except dom?

 

[Craftman]

anyone?

 

[Elroy]

Hi,

I am looking for a tube benders in the range off 300$,

The bender is the easy part. It's the dies that will eat you up.

 

[Bo Heck]

so if I buy the bender in the link that I posted earlir 16ton jack.. And That I would use black pipe to make my rock sliders and all escept the cage I would be good to go?

can you post pics of your work?

And technaqually If I buy the bender I would be good to go with all pipes except dom?

Tube is what you want to use for an automotive application. Pipe is made for piping material from one place to another, not making a protective structure. Get a tube bender and you can make anything you want to go on or in your vehicle and designed to take an impact. Get a pipe bender and your stuck with making things out of a material not designed or rated at all for the applications youre using them for. Do it once, do it right.

 

[srmofo]

I personally wouldnt use pipe for anything that my life might depend on. Yeah the bender will cost you twice as much initially but its only $300 more with 1 set of dies. And if the DOM rock sliders save the vehicle from more damage because they didnt fail where pipe would, than it might actually pay for itself. Even if it isnt a critical part it never hurts for it to be too strong

 

[2drx4]

Tube is what you want to use for an automotive application. Pipe is made for piping material from one place to another, not making a protective structure. Get a tube bender and you can make anything you want to go on or in your vehicle and designed to take an impact. Get a pipe bender and your stuck with making things out of a material not designed or rated at all for the applications youre using them for. Do it once, do it right.

Actually, you can buy 'pipe' that is just HREW tubing sized in the crazy schedule sizing system. It has an ASTM #, which I forget at the moment. It's fairly common, and cost is exactly comparable to HREW (if your supplier likes you). Otherwise normally the HREW costs more...

Not that the PA pipe kinker will do a good job of bending it, unless you're willing to modify the jazz out of the thing... There is pipe sized dies for tube benders, which is advantageous for people who do not have a supplier that will give them HREW for a decent price.

Personally, I'd be hard pressed to build (another) roll cage that used lots of HREW tubing. DOM is not much more money and holds up a lot better if you intend to get multiple rolls out of the cage/chassis. Of course, I do have a decent steel supplier for when I order tubing, but I order about 200' at a time...

 

[Craftman]

I will probably go with the JD2 and buy like 2 or 3 dies that are the most common... I will try to see if I can get it locally I am In the Montreal and Ottawa region... I know there is a online site that sells the Jd2 but its in BC ( on the other side of Canada so shipping is expensive)

Im going to talk with my dad if he whants to pitch in since we are both going to use it!

FYI If you guys have more reading for me like how to? and technical stuff that is usefull to know on pipes and tubing benders It would be great!

 

[Graham08]

Check out this site:

www.offroadfabnet.com

It's one of the best forums for fabrication knowledge of all sorts.

 

[csp]

Lotsa good tube bending links in this thread:

http://www.garagejournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67125

 

[crewchief888]

do you have pictures of your work?

why do you use black pipe for this application?

whats the difference in price I know price vary betwen region and country but whats the price diference betwen black pipe, dom and pipe?

i used black pipe 'cuz it was available, and free.
at the time several jobsites that i went to were installing fire sprinkler system in the buildings. i picked up cut off, bent, and damaged pieces that were headed to scrap.
i got 100+ feet of usable 1 1/4" black pipe, all for free.

 

[Krawlin98ZJ]

you could always build your own. Here's the one I built. The plans came from here. http://www.gottrikes.com/