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Loctite, nyloc nuts, safety wire, reverse threads … I don’t like any of them.

They’re proof the designer knew that radial movement (within the necessary thread clearance) would cause problems. But instead of redesigning the joint to eliminate that movement, they used one of these hacks.

Until about the end of World War II, cars had left-handed lug nuts on their left wheels. The wheels sometimes fell off anyway.

Eventually someone designed the modern lug nut or screw, which has a deep conical seat that absorbs radial loads with minimal movement, relieving the threads of a duty for which they weren’t designed. Car wheels no longer fall off.

I don’t know the Italian moped flywheel situation but feel sure there could have been a better solution than threading them the wrong way.
Absurd.

Lug nuts still fall off if not tightened properly. It's the permeation of affordable torque wrenches and impact tools over tightening them that prevents them from falling off these days.

You seldom see people using the old fashioned 4 way to install a lug nut anymore.

My old semi has rights and lefts and they've never fallen off because I install them correctly.

Other fasteners need nylon, loc tite, etc because of vibrations.

Feel free to over-engineer a solution that only requires a 10 cent lock nut just to avoid using a 10 cent lock nut but don't be surprised when no one buys it.
 
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Plenty of people still change a flat wheel at the roadside without a torque wrench or much knowledge of how tight things should be. Their wheels don’t fall off, because the design can tolerate a wide range of tension, there being negligible radial load on the screw. Radial load taken up by the threads is the problem here. You can design it out. Screws should be loaded axially only.

Vibrations are a problem to the extent that they impart radial loads on the screw. Design the joint better. It doesn’t have to be expensive, just smart.
 
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So if I'm reinstalling a component or fastener on my Harley or 4x4, should I design a better "joint" to avoid radial loads? The radial loads due to vibration are difficult to control. Washboard roads, mud terrain tires, lumpy Harley firing order create very difficult parameters.

I think I will use LocTite, a self-locking nut, a lock washer, or a cotter pin (or maybe a combination of these) just as the "lame" engineers at the factory intended.
 

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So if I'm reinstalling a component or fastener on my Harley or 4x4, should I design a better "joint" to avoid radial loads?
No.

Nor should you throw out your machine just because a stranger on the internet doesn’t like how some detail of it is designed.

Let me be clear about that before readers throw everything they own in the dump.

I’ll hang onto my stuff too, flawed joints and all.
 
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That's a huge downside. So you can't torque reverse thread hardware, or use crowfeet/torque adapters from the "back side" of a fastener?
Part 1 is completely true. I don't understand part 2 or your question Scott. What I'm saying is that the ratchet works in either direction but the torque function works only on normal (right handed threaded fasteners). For example they don't work on a left handed bolt often used on serpentine belt idler pullies. Read the write-up for this particular torque wrench, which I don't like, where this is specifically stated

These are the TOPTUL torque wrenches I particularly like: https://www.toptul.com/en/product-325687/Micrometer-Adjustable-Torque-Wrench-Window-Display.html but they work the exact same way (no reverse torque)
 
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Until about the end of World War II, cars had left-handed lug nuts on their left wheels. The wheels sometimes fell off anyway.
If I remember correctly some Chrysler products had left-hand threaded lugnuts on the left wheels even into the early 70s.

One of my college roommates had a 1970 Dodge Dart (great car!). He took it to a tire shop for new tires; when he went in to pick it up they presented him with a bill with extra charges for new studs on the driver side of the car. Every stud on the driver side had been stripped or broken. They claimed that all those studs were seized and rusted, and they had to replace them. Strangely all the passenger side studs were fine. Must've been a new guy at the tire shop that day ...
 

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Battery operated torque wrenches, caipers, micrometers, etc are for people who were not trained to use the conventional tool the correct way ...
Or those who like the speed of not having to do the math. I keep and use dial calipers and mics. But I just digitals a lot. Same with torque wrenches
 

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Look at the price list for Team Torque. Up to 250 ft/lbs, a clicker costs ~$55 to check, while an electronic torque wrench is $135.

Given that most weekend warriors--and plenty of Pros--are often grossly overdue for torque wrench calibration, it makes sense to buy the torque wrench that 1) meets your needs, and 2) costs the least to service.

Deflecting beam torque wrenches have inherent accuracy if used properly. Most folks don't use them properly. They generally don't have ratchet heads, and parallax error is abundant. Don't get me started on arm-quiver towards the end of a torque sequence affecting accuracy (and hurting.) Deflecting-beam tools are best used for testing torque, not achieving torque.

Split-beam torque wrenches are probably the best compromise for most users, assuming you don't need to torque in the reverse direction. Most of 'em don't even have reversing levers on the ratchet. OTOH, they can be stored at any torque setting.

MY torque wrenches are micrometer-adjusting clickers. Torque in both directions (some loss of accuracy when torquing "reverse thread".)
 

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Loctite, nyloc nuts, safety wire, reverse threads … I don’t like any of them.

They’re proof the designer knew that radial movement (within the necessary thread clearance) would cause problems. But instead of redesigning the joint to eliminate that movement, they used one of these hacks.

Until about the end of World War II, cars had left-handed lug nuts on their left wheels. The wheels sometimes fell off anyway.

Eventually someone designed the modern lug nut or screw, which has a deep conical seat that absorbs radial loads with minimal movement, relieving the threads of a duty for which they weren’t designed. Car wheels no longer fall off.

I don’t know the Italian moped flywheel situation but feel sure there could have been a better solution than threading them the wrong way.
Not every screw joint is a tensioned joint. In case of a hub tightened onto a cone on the end of a big shaft, this is very true. You need the "hacks" if you want a reliable connection.
 

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I think there’s a lot of skill involved in using any torque wrench accurately. I think the accuracy of a torque wrench, I.e. its ability to achieve a given preload for a given torque, is just about irrelevant. If you aren’t cleaning and properly lubing fasteners and surfaces, you won’t get accuracy. But I don’t think it really matters aside from a few specific applications (eg head bolts).

When I specify torque reqts, I always specify a range and a “target”, but there really is no target. Anything within the range is acceptable.

The digital wrenches are more precise. And in 90% of the automotive applications, such as lugs, low pressure gaskets like oil pans, and transmission gaskets, the torque reqt is about precision (all fasteners the same) not accuracy.

Last, the prevalence of angles is increasing and here to stay. Not just heads anymore. Angles are immune to prevailing torque, the initial resistance experienced. Sometimes you can mark something, sometimes you can’t see that mark. Might as well stop kidding yourself and not use a torque wrench at all if that’s the case. +/- 5 degrees of angle is probably too much variation.

Pet peeve- guys who pull thru the click or click it again for good measure are dumb asses who shouldn’t be around passenger cars or aircraft. That’s not how clickers work. You pull until you feel the release then stop. Snap On patented their wrenches’ “early warning system” due to testing showing guys over torque everything with clickers.

One more thing: there’s no such thing as a “dry torque value” as we define dry. We think of dry as the chalky corroded lug nuts. No values or testing I’m aware of for that. Dry means clean with a light oil film from the factory. Dry values are for us in the factory, not you guys. Wet means grease or sealant.
 
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A little more: The digital models don’t have springs or any mechanisms and should never lose calibration. Any slight change over their lifetime is probably irrelevant unless you are an engine builder.

Last review I saw, looked like the Icon wrench outperformed the SnapOn. But it wasn’t cheap. I bought my techangles for far less. Snap Ons warranty is short on techangles, but they offer a calibration service for under $100 last I looked.

My advice is to bottom feed a SO wrench and factor into its price an initial calibration. They tend to replace any dodgey parts so I felt like I got new wrenches back from them.

That said, there are many competitors out there. I would not let a youtubers accuracy test put me off buying any particular brand. (Craftsman looked pretty good?) Torque is almost junk science. What we want is an amount of fastener preload. Torque is a terrible way to achieve that reliably because friction is such a huge factor.

People who use torque wrenches frequently don’t understand them, the difference between static and kinetic friction, how stick slip can result in over torquing etc. I was working with a SO torque rep who had a customer (unnamed theme park) torquing bolts to 150ftlbs with a 3/8” snap on clicker. When the rep asked how the guy did that with a wrench that maxed out at 100ftbs, the man said he torqued to 100ftlbs, then set the wrench to 50ftlbs and did it again! Not a joke.
 

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Exactly.

I damaged my car in Germany not long ago, hundreds of kilometres from my home in another country, and had to go looking for a local mechanic with no knowledge of the landscape. The first guy I found was tightening lug nuts in that style: four clicks per nut (screw, really). Swing, click, click-click-click.

That’s at best useless and worst harmful. You should stop at the first click. And you should be swinging the wrench smoothly and slowly at the point of the click: about 20 degrees a second.

What’s more, that final swing should be large: ideally a quarter of a turn. So it should take about four seconds. Studies have shown a lot of mechanics swing too fast and overshoot the free movement beyond the click, slamming the momentum of the wrench handle into the fastener after it falls over the centre of the click.

You might bump into the click unexpectedly toward the beginning of the final swing. In that case, back off (with another tool) and adopt a wrench position and body position that allow you to approach the target torque slowly over a quarter-turn with a good grip on the centre of the handle, applying force purely tangentially to the arc of the swing at the moment of the click.

And if you encounter stick-slip (creaking, etc.), abort the attempt and clean and lubricate the threads or replace the fastener. Accurate torque measurement is not possible in the presence of stick-slip.

Another couple of points too often ignored in the haste of a busy professional environment:

First, unlike beam-type or electronic torque wrenches, click-type wrenches should be exercised (clicked) a few times before the first use of the day. This is ideally done at max torque, but target torque for your application gives most of the benefit. This breaks up corrosion and replenishes lubricant at the sliding surfaces of the mechanism, returning the wrench as closely as possible to its calibrated state.

Second, screw in the target torque from below. That’s how the wrench was calibrated. Hysteresis will harm accuracy if you approach target torque from above.

Third, it follows from the above that you can’t check the torque of a fastener without turning it. Sticking friction (stiction) may prevent a bolt from turning at its target torque even if its tension is much lower than it should be (i.e. it has backed out). To check the torque, start again. Break the fastener loose and then set the torque again with the long, slow, smooth final swing. (If you need to check whether a fastener has worked loose, give it a witness mark and compare before and after re-torquing it.)

As is often the case, the tool matters less than how it’s used. Of course nice tools are nice to use.
This is all spot on. You pull to the release. Our guys have to exercise their clickers at the target torque 4 times before doing that on a vehicle. Just to overcome any possible corrosion, move whatever oil around. They all have to be trained, and still make mistakes from time to time. And no way to inspect torque.

Probably unnecessary for automotive.

Rabestos has a white paper about the effect of uneven lug torques on brake disks (potential cause of warping).

I forget the numbers but 100ftlbs of torque could be 1000s of lbs of tension in the fastener.
 

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I think there’s a lot of skill involved in using any torque wrench accurately. I think the accuracy of a torque wrench, I.e. its ability to achieve a given preload for a given torque, is just about irrelevant. If you aren’t cleaning and properly lubing fasteners and surfaces, you won’t get accuracy. But I don’t think it really matters aside from a few specific applications (eg head bolts).

When I specify torque reqts, I always specify a range and a “target”, but there really is no target. Anything within the range is acceptable.

The digital wrenches are more precise. And in 90% of the automotive applications, such as lugs, low pressure gaskets like oil pans, and transmission gaskets, the torque reqt is about precision (all fasteners the same) not accuracy.

Last, the prevalence of angles is increasing and here to stay. Not just heads anymore. Angles are immune to prevailing torque, the initial resistance experienced. Sometimes you can mark something, sometimes you can’t see that mark. Might as well stop kidding yourself and not use a torque wrench at all if that’s the case. +/- 5 degrees of angle is probably too much variation.

Pet peeve- guys who pull thru the click or click it again for good measure are dumb asses who shouldn’t be around passenger cars or aircraft. That’s not how clickers work. You pull until you feel the release then stop. Snap On patented their wrenches’ “early warning system” due to testing showing guys over torque everything with clickers.

One more thing: there’s no such thing as a “dry torque value” as we define dry. We think of dry as the chalky corroded lug nuts. No values or testing I’m aware of for that. Dry means clean with a light oil film from the factory. Dry values are for us in the factory, not you guys. Wet means grease or sealant.
I agree with you. Good stuff. You touched on the idea presented in engineering forums that use of a torque wrench is generally +/- 25% accuracy due to all of the variables you identity above. Many people have the misconception that use of a high quality tool automatically results in perfect results.

I once made a comment in a GJ thread about the challenge of making excellent crimps and was nearly laughed off the forum. Proper crimp making is very similar to torque wrench use. Skill, knowledge, and good tools are needed to do it properly. Fortunately, "good enuf" crimps and torque usually work.
 

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Which is why anything that matters is done with Torque to Yield fasteners. Torque is ********, bolt stretch is what matters and torque to yield is how you accurately achieve that. Considering this fact buying a torque wrench that doesn't include angle is simply stupid which is why digital torque wrenches with angle are the only way to go. For lug nuts in the ballpark is good enough. For head bolts it isn't.
 

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I use a flexible beam torque wrench that i bought in 1969, when i submitted it for for a calibration check at my last employer the tech laughed, until he checked it, and told me it was still good as he applied the sticker.
 

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Which is why anything that matters is done with Torque to Yield fasteners. Torque is ********, bolt stretch is what matters and torque to yield is how you accurately achieve that. Considering this fact buying a torque wrench that doesn't include angle is simply stupid which is why digital torque wrenches with angle are the only way to go. For lug nuts in the ballpark is good enough. For head bolts it isn't.
You are spot on but just a little nuance. TTY is a little bit different than angles. Usually we torque within the elastic range of the fastener. In TTY, you torque beyond the elastic limit and permanently stretch the fastener. Tho a TTY fastener is closer to its ultimate (failure) limit, the tension in it (unloaded and cold) is greater than it would be had we torqued within in its elastic range.

For something like a head, this maintains oil and cylinder pressures better.

Edit: there may be no obvious way to know if a fastener is TTY or not. They could have a high torque value, or could have a torque and an angle specified (typical). Best way to know is look at the shop manual. It should say “fasteners must be replaced” or “single use fastener”. That’s not a suggestion.

Angle callouts aren’t indicators of TTY, though they are often specified for TTY. We specify angles to eliminate the variable of prevailing, aka “run down” torque. Auto makers are specifying angles wherever torque sensitive fasteners are located. My guess is, eventually they will show up on lugs.

I have specified angles in aerospace but only for elastomer compression, never for torque sensitive applications. I think we are strangely behind automotive.

One more reason for digitals (tho beams do this): I routinely specify prevailing torque checks (e.g. 20inlbs above prevailing torque) when using any kind of self locking hardware. This is easy to do with a digital and impossible with a clicker. If you suspected extra drag (prevailing torque) or wanted to reuse self locking hardware, such a check could be helpful.
 
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This looks like a good place to ask a TQ Wrench question. I always "assumed" that TQ Wrenches worked going both directions.

Found out that wasn't true. Besides the beam types, Which ones work for Left and right threads?
 

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This looks like a good place to ask a TQ Wrench question. I always "assumed" that TQ Wrenches worked going both directions.

Found out that wasn't true. Besides the beam types, Which ones work for Left and right threads?
The only torque wrench I own is a flexible beam wrench, it was purchased new in 1969 and was still accurate when checked in 2002.
 

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Part 1 is completely true. I don't understand part 2 or your question Scott. What I'm saying is that the ratchet works in either direction but the torque function works only on normal (right handed threaded fasteners). For example they don't work on a left handed bolt often used on serpentine belt idler pullies. Read the write-up for this particular torque wrench, which I don't like, where this is specifically stated

These are the TOPTUL torque wrenches I particularly like: https://www.toptul.com/en/product-325687/Micrometer-Adjustable-Torque-Wrench-Window-Display.html but they work the exact same way (no reverse torque)

Think of it this way.

You are standing in front of the grille, on a longitudinally mounted engine, belt drive system facing you. You want to remove a bell housing bolt. You can use a torque adapter, then a regular extension, to allow a ratchet to access the fastener. However, to rotate this fastener and loosen it you need to turn the ratchet clockwise, because of your orientation behind the drive head.

Thus you need the torque wrench to be able to measure torque counter-clockwise for installation. That and left hand hardware, but that's pretty rare. I use the torque adapter reach-around often enough it would be tough to adapt to a wrench which would not measure in the "loosen" position.
 
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Which is why anything that matters is done with Torque to Yield fasteners. Torque is ********, bolt stretch is what matters and torque to yield is how you accurately achieve that. Considering this fact buying a torque wrench that doesn't include angle is simply stupid which is why digital torque wrenches with angle are the only way to go. For lug nuts in the ballpark is good enough. For head bolts it isn't.

Angle is cool and all, until you have some buried part you need to torque. The wind-up of the extensions/bit sockets can be enough to trigger angle change on a torque wrench, but not actually rotate the head of the fastener. I've seen this on my tech-angle, 12" extension onto a 6" bit socket. All that could possibly fit, and there wasn't enough room to do a continuous swing.

I don't like angle. I see the valve in engineering terms. It can **** trying to get it done in the real world.
 

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If I remember correctly some Chrysler products had left-hand threaded lugnuts on the left wheels even into the early 70s.

One of my college roommates had a 1970 Dodge Dart (great car!). He took it to a tire shop for new tires; when he went in to pick it up they presented him with a bill with extra charges for new studs on the driver side of the car. Every stud on the driver side had been stripped or broken. They claimed that all those studs were seized and rusted, and they had to replace them. Strangely all the passenger side studs were fine. Must've been a new guy at the tire shop that day ...
Learned this the hard way on my '66 Coronet as a teenager. I also learned how to press in and out new wheel studs to replace those ABSURD left hand threads.
As an engineer now, I know that all the band-aids added to bolted joints are just admission the the joint couldn't be properly designed.

I'll admit I once released a design using Nord-Locks on purpose as OEM. But it's only because I wasn't allowed to design it right and the nord-locks were the only option that kept the thermal cycles from spitting out the bolts in short order.

To this day, I'm convinced the Nord-locks are the only bolted joint bandaid worth bothering to use. But they are still a bandaid and an admission that the basic joint isn't properly designed.
 

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Which is why anything that matters is done with Torque to Yield fasteners. Torque is ********, bolt stretch is what matters and torque to yield is how you accurately achieve that. Considering this fact buying a torque wrench that doesn't include angle is simply stupid which is why digital torque wrenches with angle are the only way to go. For lug nuts in the ballpark is good enough. For head bolts it isn't.
Sort of. It's tension, not stretch per se. Stretching only matters because that's how we get the preload. Bolts are just stiff springs that we use a helical means to stretch because it gives us so much leverage.

TTY gives advantages in controlling variation with metallurgy, which is far less variable than k-factor can be.
But there are lots of applications where TTY is not desirable and might even be inferior.
The ultimate is pre-tensioning where the fastener is stretched to the desired load, then the nut is tightened down to anchor, then the tension released and preload confirmed.

TTY limits the quality of the fastener you can use, with the nicer premium materials often being too hard for TTY because the window between yield and fracture is much too narrow.
 
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For rotational torque like diff pinion preload is use a beam wrench, 1/4.

!/4 beam? What brand? I've been looking for one.

I had two 3/8" digital **** out so went and bought a PI beam. Love it.

ETA Split beam. My mistake.
 
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I understand it is important to take the batteries out of digital torque wrenches, if they sit for a while, and if the batteries leak, you could have an expensive mess. I have 2 beam types, 2 clickers, and one digital, and it appears the digital is capable of being quite a bit more accurate, but then again, different applications need more accuracy than others.
 

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Think of it this way.

You are standing in front of the grille, on a longitudinally mounted engine, belt drive system facing you. You want to remove a bell housing bolt. You can use a torque adapter, then a regular extension, to allow a ratchet to access the fastener. However, to rotate this fastener and loosen it you need to turn the ratchet clockwise, because of your orientation behind the drive head.

Thus you need the torque wrench to be able to measure torque counter-clockwise for installation. That and left hand hardware, but that's pretty rare. I use the torque adapter reach-around often enough it would be tough to adapt to a wrench which would not measure in the "loosen" position.

What is funny is that I had to do this within the last year for the first time. Exactly what you described, but on fan to water pump mounting. Granted, for the last 30 years I did it by "feel" and no issues, but since I've had torque adapters for a few years, I went fancy.
 

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!/4 beam? What brand? I've been looking for one.

I had two 3/8" digital **** out so went and bought a PI beam. Love it.

ETA Split beam. My mistake.

you need a dial or the ancient style deflection beam for rotating torque. I have a deflection beam, an ancient USA KD or similar. I think it's still made under different brands. I went beam for this since it's only something I do every few years as a home user and a similar dial wrench at that time, and probably now, were many times more expensive.
 
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TTY is used because it's a way to get more clamping force out of the same size fastener. It's not a conspiracy for the manufacture to sell you more screws when you take something apart. It's not used as a way to get more accurate preload, because they can use the same method and not exceed the yield point, just use a lower torque value; some manufactures actually do this. Yes, it's more accurate and no it's not TTY because the screws can be reused. What I'm saying is that just because you have a torque and a rotation spec doesn't necessarily mean it's TTY. But yes, that's the most common use for this method.

As far as a screw should be loaded in the axial direction only, this is ridiculous. The entire world is held together by screws loaded in "shear". Except they're not seeing the shear load. They're loaded in shear, but the shear is less than the clamping force and the friction between the clamped items. This is fastener design 101 and why bridges and buildings aren't falling down daily in the US- they're held together this exact way and subject to constant vibrations, temperature changes, etc. Also, fasteners don't loosen from vibration in a properly designed joint- if so connecting rods would be failing regularly, and flywheels launching thru the floor. What loosens a fastener is typically horizontal motion under it that loosens it- from not enough clamping force, or improper joint design such as not enough rigidity. Not vibration. Nylon nuts, split lockwashers..... are basically useless unless you're trying to hold down a plastic windshield washer tank reservoir. If they actually worked, they'd be on connecting rods and cylinder head bolts/studs. They're not. When's the last time Honda or Toyota used a split lockwasher on anything but plastic or similar? They changed to serrated flange nuts or serrated flange hex head screws for a reason- decades ago.

I'm not going to argue any of this because it's all factually proven thru decades of testing. But if you want a good education on fasteners, that you don't need a BSME to understand, read up on the Bolt Science website; it's not difficult to understand, and many of the commonly believed thoughts on fasteners have been proven wrong 50+ years ago thru mechanical testing. But they're still repeated daily.
 

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I bought a Snap On tech angle 3/8" like 5 years ago. I just sold it. It only had 65 cycles, which I don't think were even all me. I just very rarely used it.

If you need the features, it's a great tool... Angle and every unit of torque known. But if you don't, I feel like it's just an overpriced waste of money.

Also it's delicate, easily breakable, and one more thing I have to worry about that needs batteries.

I'll stick to beam or click style torque wrenches.
 

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If you want one you never need to worry about, go with split beam. They work on the same principle as bending beam wrenches. If you get a screw clicker, get a bending beam to check it with occasionally. Same for digital. The digital MAY be more accurate but needs to be checked regularly and temperature can have an affect on readings.
Torque to yield is great but I never, and I mean never, run into specs that include that. For my use, a tech angle wrench would be worthless.
 

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I bought a Snap On tech angle 3/8" like 5 years ago. I just sold it. It only had 65 cycles, which I don't think were even all me. I just very rarely used it.

If you need the features, it's a great tool... Angle and every unit of torque known. But if you don't, I feel like it's just an overpriced waste of money.

Also it's delicate, easily breakable, and one more thing I have to worry about that needs batteries.

I'll stick to beam or click style torque wrenches.

For that use, I don't think I'd buy a tech angle either.

Digital is great for fast adjustment. I can go between 100 and 25 faster than anyone could spin the handle, with less effort. Split beam with the side knob, probably about the same. I love it for torque adapter use, especially the few I've made, since I can automatically compensate.

I certainly haven't thrown out my mechanical clicker wrenches, but my first grab is usually a tech angle.

The counter is almost worth the price of admission. Did I torque that? 12 cycles, yes.
 

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One huge advantage of a clicker over anything else, is being able to torque in a high noise environment where you have limited or no vision of the wrench during the operation. We just did some work where you can't see the wrench while in use, unless you are triple jointed and have 4' long arms.
 

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One huge advantage of a clicker over anything else, is being able to torque in a high noise environment where you have limited or no vision of the wrench during the operation. We just did some work where you can't see the wrench while in use, unless you are triple jointed and have 4' long arms.

Some electronic can vibrate, but the click-over is very obvious even with your eyes closed and ear muffs on.
 

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Some electronic can vibrate, but the click-over is very obvious even with your eyes closed and ear muffs on.

My Snap On had the display, lights, audible beep and it also vibrated. You should be able to hear, feel and/or see it.

Not sure how other brands or models compare.
 

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I've had my 3/8" tech wrench for about 15 years now and my 1/2" digital KD for about 12. Over that time I've used a lot of torque wrenches and managed calibrations on a fleet of about 500 torque wrenches. A couple observations:, Unlike a clicker or a split beam they just work across the entire range. We had a **** load of CDI split beam torque wrenches as field torque fixtures and they varied about 5+-% for where you were supposed to set them versus actual torque outputs across the range. The shop digitals were linear. Clickers we tended to have them segregated by job operation they had a correction for whatever the specs we used them for was.

One thing I always hated was over torquing with clickers because somebody's daddy told them to click it twice and by the time they did that they were 20 ft-lbs over on a 100 ft-lbs spec or they thought it stopped torquing when it clicked. With a digital you tell them to look at it afterwards and they generally get in the habit of being close.
 
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