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Your instructor was an overdramatic fool. A lint free wipe and some drive cleaner, a few minutes, and the tape would be fine to duplicate, then discard, if it was a live tape.Thanks @Bob Heine - I had completely forgotten about band printers (that's what we called them) and paper control tape. In a computer operations class I took a jillion years ago, we had to make a channel control tape and run a program to test it. We also had to learn to dismount/mount reel-to-reel tapes. I mounted one backwards, hit the load button and "Zing!" it unraveled the reel. The instructor made a very dramatic showing by holding the tape up, dropping it into a trash bin, and announcing in front of everyone "Well, that's now trash." I was mortified.....
Kay, the Mac and PC thing was all about control. Not having to put in a request for mainframe time made control freaks wet themselves. Didn't matter there was zero security so long as you could have one of your slaves track your data. Didn't matter it took ten times more effort. Didn't matter 90% of the slaves typed with two fingers while staring at the keyboard. I doubt anyone measured real work productivity losses -- everyone typing away at a keyboard looked busy as hell. I still ask nurses if they knew typing would be their primary role when they were in nursing school.I used DCF and GML to do automated composition on the state budget document. I had at least half a million lines of VM/REXX and pipes code to convert collections of text files into a gorgeous document ready for a photo negative print process. Then along came PC-based WYSIWYG types of document software, and the fools jumped ship. I won national awards with my auto-compositing, that Turd Ferpect and others could never match.
Roger, as I recall, those tape drives could unravel the reel into either chute all by themselves. Usually a microswitch failure was the cause.Thanks @Bob Heine - I had completely forgotten about band printers (that's what we called them) and paper control tape. In a computer operations class I took a jillion years ago, we had to make a channel control tape and run a program to test it. We also had to learn to dismount/mount reel-to-reel tapes. I mounted one backwards, hit the load button and "Zing!" it unraveled the reel. The instructor made a very dramatic showing by holding the tape up, dropping it into a trash bin, and announcing in front of everyone "Well, that's now trash." I was mortified.....

Kay, I miss the drive cleaner -- beautiful gold cans of Trichloroethelene. That stuff was delicious. I remember inspecting a tape that had a bad spot the drive couldn't read. Remove the tape from the read/write head and holding it tight against the bottom of an oval vial with clear film on both sides. Fluid in the vial contained iron dust. You tipped the vial back and forth until the dust aligned itself with the magnetized tape. Then you could read the individual dots on the tape and find the missing or mangled bits. Manually enter the correct data at the console, step the tape past the bad spot and duplicate the tape on another drive.Your instructor was an overdramatic fool. A lint free wipe and some drive cleaner, a few minutes, and the tape would be fine to duplicate, then discard, if it was a live tape.
Everyone has done that at least once in their career. For me, it was slamming scratch tapes onto most of 64 drives, and one tape was banded backwards. I grabbed the tape, felt that it didn't need a write ring. Slammed it, slapped the mount button, and on. Maybe 1 second, and I was on to the next drive. I never actually looked at the tape. It teaches improved attention to detail. I learned to palm the write ring, so if I felt the tab then I was OK, otherwise the tape was dropped, a different one got mounted, an I was off.
Found out afterwards we had a new librarian on days and he banded every tape he scratched backwards. He got some appropriate retraining.
No ringey, No writey.
Nah. It really trashed (wadded up) the tape. They were old tapes to begin with - no way they were going to trust students with live data. It did drive the point home - just like the next story...Your instructor was an overdramatic fool. A lint free wipe and some drive cleaner, a few minutes, and the tape would be fine to duplicate, then discard, if it was a live tape.
Everyone has done that at least once in their career. For me, it was slamming scratch tapes onto most of 64 drives, and one tape was banded backwards. I grabbed the tape, felt that it didn't need a write ring. Slammed it, slapped the mount button, and on. Maybe 1 second, and I was on to the next drive. I never actually looked at the tape. It teaches improved attention to detail. I learned to palm the write ring, so if I felt the tab then I was OK, otherwise the tape was dropped, a different one got mounted, an I was off.
Found out afterwards we had a new librarian on days and he banded every tape he scratched backwards. He got some appropriate retraining.
No ringey, No writey.
Kay, I'm with you! I used to tolerate the unnecessarily negative comments about stuff that doesn't matter but the older I get, the more I appreciate alone time doing things that make me happy. While not technically 'alone time,' I find the GJ to be a positive and fun place to visit.We had such fun in the old days. Luckily, I'm still having fun.
Roger, the people who let me fail taught me more lasting lessons than the ones who kept me from making a mistake. In my mother's final years she acknowledged that she would have stepped in every time I struggled and how much better it was that Liane treated me like I had the same abilities with or without a left armNah. It really trashed (wadded up) the tape. They were old tapes to begin with - no way they were going to trust students with live data. It did drive the point home - just like the next story...
He was a character. Another assignment was to print a pretty decent sized file which was part of the operating manual (for the DEC-10). Then, you had to burst/trim/collate the whole thing - it was done on wide paper. A gal ahead of me was setting up the burster for her job. I could see she had the paper in the wrong way. Looked over at the instructor and could see he saw the same thing but he had a big ol' grin so I said nothing. She ran it through and had trimmed the wrong side - cut the printed section right in half. She, of course, was not happy since she had to get back in line to print it again. I commented to the instructor about what I saw and his grin. He said "Well, she'll never make that mistake again."
They were teaching moments for sure - he really was good natured.






Many of your Ontario citizens are already in So. Florida. I am now seeing more and more Ontario and Quebec Province license plates. Dania Beach, south of Bob about 25 miles, is already seeing the trailer parks filling up with Canadian fifth-wheelers and dually pick-up trucks from those provinces primarily, occasionally I'll spot someone from the maritime provinces.Wow…you’re harvesting lucious fruit and I’m studding tire’s in prep for snowChampagne wishes and caviar dreams…
My thoughts are with you and the missus as you navigate your health issues. No one has a better attitude with regard to adversity as you do sir![]()

Dennis, it's an upside down life. We mostly hide inside in the middle of the day during our looooong summer and then spend the winter enjoying the outdoors, mostly in the same clothes our northern guests wear in the winter. They are all in shorts and t-shirts when we're freezing in the 70-something weather.Wow…you’re harvesting lucious fruit and I’m studding tire’s in prep for snowChampagne wishes and caviar dreams…
My thoughts are with you and the missus as you navigate your health issues. No one has a better attitude with regard to adversity as you do sir![]()
Philip, I've eaten star fruit. My mother bought them for the Christmas holidays because they looked so festive. We also ate quite a few in Australia but in both cases the price was nothing like that. Good old Walmart has dried star fruit for $7.12 per pound.Many of your Ontario citizens are already in So. Florida. I am now seeing more and more Ontario and Quebec Province license plates. Dania Beach, south of Bob about 25 miles, is already seeing the trailer parks filling up with Canadian fifth-wheelers and dually pick-up trucks from those provinces primarily, occasionally I'll spot someone from the maritime provinces.
Bob, my friend who's retired from the U of Florida Research Station in Davie (Broward County-Ft. Lauderdale metro area for you out-of-towners) has a Star Fruit tree / carambola which gives her multiple 5 gallon buckets of fruit each season. I keep telling her she should sell them, they're expensive at the store.
This site is $23/lb.
I'm sure there are all sorts of regulations about Dept. of Agriculture criteria for allowing them to cross the FL border going someplace else.
The fruit looks very eye-pleasing in a salad, exotic you could say. Like the monk Dom Pérignon is reputed to have said tasting sparkling wine for the first time. "I am tasting stars!"
Best wishes for Liane and your health issues being resolved.
Dennis, take care of that puncture!Wow Bob…that’s some intense drama. Glad to hear your grand daughter is out of the ICU. Your post is a reminder for me to be very present and appreciative of my family.
…suddenly my calf puncture (biking, small mishap in the woods, got to pull a bit of tree out of leg) yesterday seems very, very trivial.
Philip, they have bottled water, including a couple of 5-gallon water cooler stations. Our son has lived on one of the dirt roads in Royal Palm Beach for 25 years and all they drink is bottled water as well. His whole family has the bottle water habit. I have personally given up drinking from puddles outside but I still hydrate from the garden hose when working in the yard.MY goodness, that's horrible, but I suppose it could be worse, that accident. I have friends/co-workers fellow retirees from fire-rescue who live in Loxahatchee. Do they drink/consume only bottled water? I believe there are chemical concerns with the groundwater. I am saying prayers for your family.
Steve, every time I think we're on the road to recovery, the road takes a bad turn. I'll be crapping out this afternoon. Colonoscopy tomorrow.Bob, the list of ailments and injuries seem to be growing, best wishes, thoughts and prayers to you all for quick recoveries, especially the little ones.
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Thank you Scott. My positive vibes are not working that well so yours and everyone else's is greatly appreciated.Bob, just sending positive vibes your way; all the best to you and yours.





Philip, funny you mention that. When my son is back in action and the weather cools a little, he and his youngest son are coming over to help me replace the wood staircase to the main attic. The screw holes are too close to the edge of the aluminum frame on the new one so I was planning on recessing the thing the thickness of the garage drywall (5/8"). I also have a patch to make for the leaking roof aftermath. Looks like I'll need the best part of a 4' x 8' sheet of 5/8" drywall for both stairways and the ceiling repair.Bob a piece of advice ignore it if you choose. When I was speaking with one of my compatriots from another fire/rescue dept., he was speaking about things homeowners can do to delay an incipient fire's spread. One thing was, "put a piece of drywall on your attic stairs door!" I suspect you may have been to Sawgrass Mills mall at one time or another, in Sunrise, not far off of I-75. He was the newly-appointed fire marshal in the jurisdiction, and his first major project to do plans review and inspect was Sawgrass Mills.
For several months, Sawgrass Mills was the largest mall in the USA. Then Mall of the Americas opened.
Anyway, back to the attic access. He said he had seen multiple fires originating in garages, where the fire quickly spread into the garage attic because of a lack of drywall gypsum board on that access.
Bob, What about installing a limit switch in line with the light?All I can do today is drink fluids so I tackled a tiny project in the garage. Yes, I'm doing something in the garage! It's not the best place today because the window A/C is no longer cooling the air. Another identical one will be delivered Thursday. It's cloudy out so the garage is only 85° today. It's 82° outside but 81% humidity so I'll go with the dry heat.
We have two pull-down attic stairways and shop lighting in the attic. The garage attic stairway doesn't have a wall nearby so I put the light switch at the top of the stairs on the side of the opening. Every time I go up there I forget to switch off the light and have to go back up. The main attic stairway does have a convenient wall so I wired a switch on the workbench backsplash. I still forget to switch off the lights but at least I don't have to climb the stairs each time. It's that lonely little switch at the middle of the workbench.
I am using and refurbishing computers in the garage and it's annoying to rely on really slow wifi so I dropped a CAT6 cable down the staircase from the attic router. It needs to be a permanent installation in the wall so I enlarged the single gang hole to a double gang size. Found a box that has an enclosed AC half and an open low voltage half.
It's an old work box so I didn't have to worry about installing it next to a stud. I did have to change the switch to a Decora so it would match the CAT6 outlet.
Rather than make a custom length cable and punch the cables in the RJ45 socket, I'm going to fish a factory made one down from the attic. That lets me use a double RJ45 socket. Keystone jacks come in so many flavors it makes it easy.
I can stand 85° but even on an overcast day the attic heats up to iron foundry temperatures. For now the jack is in, just not hooked up. Cooler weather is coming....
Yeah, I know, the screws are triggering more than one of you.

"Studies show that eating starfruit can have a harmful (toxic) effect for people who have kidney disease. The substances found in starfruit can affect the brain and cause neurological disorders. This toxic substance is called a neurotoxin. People with healthy, normal kidneys can process and pass this toxin out from their body. However, for those with kidney disease, this is not possible. The toxin stays in the body and causes serious illness.
The symptoms of starfruit poisoning include:
If you have kidney disease, it is important to avoid starfruit and speak with your healthcare provider or your dietitian to learn more about the effects of starfruit or any other fruit you may not be sure about."
- Hiccups
- Mental confusion
- Seizures
- Death (in serious cases)
…suddenly my calf puncture (biking, small mishap in the woods, got to pull a bit of tree out of leg) yesterday seems very, very trivial.
No trigger here, but I did admire the clean workbench you have going on!
EDIT: Not sure why a link to Walmart shows up as a "Robot or Human?" hyperlink.
Sorry about that Steve! My bad habits die hard.Triggered![]()
Thanks Shorty!Wow another year, another year younger. Happy belated birthday Bob.
Leonard, I don't know why I didn't think of that. I did put a micro switch on the garage attic staircase but for a different reason. I installed it in the garage door opener circuit to prevent the garage from opening when the ladder is down. I did that after the second time I crashed it.Bob, What about installing a limit switch in line with the light?
When the ladder is down it will allow the light to be turned on but cuts the circuit when you close the ladder.
Another option would be to put a timer switch on. Crank it to the desired time.
Or even a motion detector.
Of course with your knowledge you could take one of your old computers and sample the air for sweat. As long as it detected the moisture the light would remain on.![]()

@Squankum, today's data processing equipment doesn't need that big a can of oil. "A little dab ll' do ya!"
Idiocracy comes to mind.Hmmm.... I think I'll eat some Doritos instead!
I prefer to lick my own wounds but sometimes I can't reach them. All kidding aside, I try to avoid infections by using the medically approved methods. When the doctor took out my appendix years ago, he may have left something inside. When I complained of a 103°F fever the doctor invited me back to his office. Learned how fast things can go south that day. By the time I got to his office I was feeling faint and my temperature was 106°F. Back in the hospital (across the street) for a do-over. Had to let that 2-inch puncture heal from the inside for a month or so. Heavy lifting was easy to avoid but re-packing that puncture with gauze was gross.Here's something to be wary of: a coworker of mine had a similar kind of injury while clearing brush behind her house. A few weeks down the road, she fell asleep on the couch and woke up to find her dog applying doggie first aid (lick lick lick lick) to the wound. I'm not sure of memory but it got infected or she had to get on antibiotics preventively.
Cody, that should be past tense. Today the first six feet has been turned into a coffee bar and the other eight feet is the project pile. You know, the parts have arrived and are waiting patiently to be installed.No trigger here, but I did admire the clean workbench you have going on!
Drives, I would put dragon fruit in the same category as kiwi fruit. Not as tangy but same level of sweetness and seeds.I’ve heard dragon fruit is tasty but can’t recall ever experiencing it.
Hope your tests come back with great results cause you need some good news. Here’s to both of you feeling better every day or at least not feeling worse.
Love all the old computer pics. When I designed a program in high school about 1973 I recall sending in a box of cards to local college and it took weeks or maybe month or more to get results. You were one of the guys making those huge computers work so thanks for your service.
@Squankum, sounds like I was your dad's age. The project I volunteered to do was computerize a state convention for Corvette clubs. I bought some off-brand software package that provided a word processor, spreadsheet, database, graphics presentation and whatever else Lotus and Microsoft were providing but at less than half the price. I had databases for registration, car show judging, drag racing, autocrossing and a bunch of stuff I'm forgetting. The convention took place at Sebring so I set up in the timing tower. Had to drive our Lincoln Town Car to the event to get all the equipment there. I ended up eating and sleeping in the timing tower, waiting for database sorts to finish, spreadsheets to print. In the course of the seven days I may have eaten two hot meals. Someone commented: "It's Monday, pork rinds and beer coming right up!"
EDIT: Not sure why a link to Walmart shows up as a "Robot or Human?" hyperlink.
@Squankum, that would be my father's generation. My father was 28 when WWII broke out and he died in 1968 so he never saw a PC or Apple computer. I tried to get my mother to use a PC but I chose to get her a PC Jr., which turned out to be a mistake.Nope! When he was in the service, if he wanted to communicate to the artillery in the rear, he had to drag a spool of cable. When he was a boy around the age of 12, he and some older teens scraped together all of their spare change and bought a used Model T for $12. He flew on a commercial airline before the war and the bathroom was basically an outhouse in the sky.
So, think a generation older.
I shop at a Neighborhood Walmart (only groceries) and normally only one of the three checkout registers has a person operating it. There are eight self-checkout stations, four of which have conveyors. Several times I suspect the door greeter sends some special signal out and a second manned register magically opens as I approach the professional size self checkout station. Apparently they don't share my view that it's fun watching a one-armed old man with $300 basket of groceries checking himself out.Think about it. Wal-Mart is the largest grocery seller in America. They want the human race to continue, so we can keep buying food. Wal-Mart is our last line of defense against the robot takeover.
Logan, it's like it's contagious. Our great-granddaughter is home and recovering. The wound on our grandson's hand keeps opening up because both the 2-month-old and the 3-year-old have to be carried and the cast is adding to her weight. She's not happy about the cast but for now has plenty of distractions.Catching up a bit here
Very sorry to hear of your and Liane's fondness for spending time in medical facilities was spread to others in your family, though thank goodness it wasn't more serious! Hard at times to see "ICU" and be thankful it wasn't worse but hopefully the only lasting thing here is a new found suspicion of puddles!
And that dragonfruit looks tasty! We had some the other night that had been frozen...everyone liked it! Next time we're down south will have to see if we can find some fresh stuff and see how it tastes











shop at a Neighborhood Walmart (only groceries) and normally only one of the three checkout registers has a person operating it. There are eight self-checkout stations, four of which have conveyors. Several times I suspect the door greeter sends some special signal out and a second manned register magically opens as I approach the professional size self checkout station. Apparently they don't share my view that it's fun watching a one-armed old man with $300 basket of groceries checking himself out.
I like them a lot and expected them to work for years, just like the other LED lights I've installed around the yard. A couple of months ago two lights wen out. The seller claims they're good for 50,000 hours.