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My little sis likes to tackle basic woodworking projects, and she's indicated that she wants a router for Christmas. She said she wants something corded, but that's all I know. I also don't know if she wants a plunge or fixed base or one that does both, and I suspect she doesn't know either.

Anyone want to take a stab at recommending one? I'd rather not spend more than $150. Maybe something like this? Skil 14 amp plunge and fixed base combo for $119 - https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082CKWGXK/?tag=atomicindus08-20

Woodworking really isn't my wheelhouse so I figured I'd check with y'all.

Thanks

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To route what?

I have a Dewalt DW618 and it's big and powerful and can really hog the wood out...but can be a lot to handle. So it's not just a one size fits all solution, a little trim routing or roundover edge can be done with much smaller router. Decorative edge in hardwoods? You'll want the big one.
 
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To route what?

I have a Dewalt DW618 and it's big and powerful and can really hog the wood out...but can be a lot to handle. So it's not just a one size fits all solution, a little trim routing or roundover edge can be done with much smaller router. Decorative edge in hardwoods? You'll want the big one.

It looks like the one that I linked is similar - 14 amp, 2.5 hp. If that's a handful, I'd like to start her off with something smaller and easier to handle.

I asked her what she planned to use it for; will update when I hear back.
 

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yes a router is a router is a router is not . there are variables with routers. I have several, but the 2 most used is a Porter Cable palm router . used for making small trims etc. and another porter cable is set up for hinge mortises .
after that they are seldom used. one large makita hasn't been used for 4 years when I built a set of stairs to router the stringers for the treads to slip in to . it all depends on what she wants to do . I do have a plunge router but seldom is it used for plunging. just not the kind of work I do usually
 

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It looks like the one that I linked is similar - 14 amp, 2.5 hp. If that's a handful, I'd like to start her off with something smaller and easier to handle.

I asked her what she planned to use it for; will update when I hear back.

Don't get me wrong, it's smooth and cuts beautifully...but you definitely feel the torque in it even with a soft start and need two good hands on it. In the "PK" version you get both plunge and fixed bases.

Something like the DWP611 might be a more suitable size.

Another thing to consider would be a router table, can make handling it easier, though still needs to be used with caution like any wood cutting tool.
 

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If she wants something that will swing a 1/2" shank bit that Skil is probably a good place to start. I have a 10 year old Craftsman that is very similar and its not perfect but it does the job. That being said if I don't need to swing a 1/2" shank bit I 100% prefer my DeWalt palm router.

Whatever choice you make, check to see if it includes or has options for dust collection. Out of all my tools the router has biggest difference in pleasantness with dust collection.
 

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If you only have one router, buy a plunge router.

Alternatively, purchase a router motor that comes with a fixed base, and a separate plunge base.
The Bosch 1617 combo kit is a very good router, and generally well liked (I prefer it yo the Porter Cable 690 routers, which were sort of considered the standard for routers in the USA back a couple decades ago).
Nowadays, multiple manufacturers make comparable kits, but no clue whether the routers are as good as the Bosch kit.

For plunge routers, I always considered the Dewalt DW625 the standard, since it tended to work well both for handheld use, and if table mounted.
Dewalt has since discontinued the DW625, and replaced it with a different looking DWE625, and I have no clue whether the new version is worth a ****. (Sometimes Dewalt improves stuff, sometimes you want to torture the new product designer to death)
 

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Ah, routers.

Small, medium, large, fixed base, plunge base, D-handle base, 1/4" shank or 1/2" shank bits, one-hand or two-hand, so many choices.

OK, I'll try to distill it down.

Bosch.

There, distilled. :lol:

No, seriously. Bosch is at the top of the line. There are others that may (or may not) be as good or better, but the Bosch routers are generally considered at or near the top.

Now, on to more specific choices.

We'll skip over the BIG routers for now. Usually those tools/machines are bigger and heavier and more powerful and more $$$. Great for mounting in a router table or for swinging BIG bits (like cabinet door profile bits, etc). Not usually considered a 'starter' router (unless you are starting a cabinet shop :LOL: ).

A plunge base is great for plunge cuts. There are possible work-arounds to make a plunge cut with a fixed base router, and sometimes that is just fine and gets the job done and other times where you want/need a plunge base. For just edge treatment of the workpiece, a plunge base is NOT needed and just adds weight and height and extra things to deal with.

The 'palm routers' are physically smaller and lighter, and easier to handle. The Bosch Colt (older one without the LED or the newer one with the LED) is a pretty good router. Variable speed and soft start. It uses 1/4" shank bits. Which you can do a LOT with, just not hogging out big things all in one go (but you wouldn't want to do that anyway, as then you would probably have chip out and tear out to deal with. So you almost always take multiple smaller cut passes , even with 'big' routers). Price is around $100 give-or-take depending on sale and whether it's the older model without the LED or the newer pretty much same machine but a little more power and with an LED. You can get a plunge base, or a kit that includes the plunge base (https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/palm-routers-gkf125cepk-119901-p/).

Older model (but still quite capable, just a little less total power and no LED)

https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/palm-routers-pr20evs-195774-p/

Newer one with the LED and a 'kit' with case and edge guide (handy for indexing off of the edge and then routing a groove away from the edge).


Next up, the Bosch 1617EVSPK kit. You get a fixed base and a plunge base, so your bases are covered (pun intended). Can use 1/4" or 1/2" shank bits, so that is covered. Plenty of power for most bits (except for maybe the biggest cabinet-type bits, like a raised-panel bit. But you'd use those in a router table and you could take smaller depth cuts). Variable speed, which can be handy for bigger bit diameters or 'tricky' woods that burn easily (I'm looking at you cherry). Soft start, so the tool doesn't insta-jump out of your hands when you turn it on.


A router table is handy, and sometimes required to make some cuts (physically or safely).

And the bits. Lots and lots of bits of bits. :lol2:

(back in the day, a Porter-Cable 690 was considered THE general 'pro' router. Plain base, D-handle base, plunge base. But P-C is no longer the P-C of old AFAIK.)

I personally have the Colt (no LED) and the 1617 EVS kit, and an old Craftsman 1/4" that is annoying in some ways but hasn't died yet (currently mounted in an inexpensive small router table) and a DeWalt fixed and plunge kit variable-speed that no longer is variable speed (full-speed only now because the variable no longer varies :mad: , hence the Bosch 1617EVS).

My suggestion would be either the Bosch Colt (handy and can do a LOT) or the 1617EVSPK (handy and can do even more than a LOT, pretty much anything you want/need to do with a router it can do with the appropriate bits and jigs and maybe a router table).

Skil (although owned by Bosch) is generally considered a lower-level tool brand (except for the top-line Skil-Saw worm drive circular). That router kit may be just fine and it may last for years (or decades, see above about my OLD Crapsman router that is still going), but I have no personal experience with that Skil router/kit. Just some other Skil stuff ( not the worm drive) that was definitely home-owner-level stuff.
 

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My little sis likes to tackle basic woodworking projects, and she's indicated that she wants a router for Christmas. She said she wants something corded, but that's all I know. I also don't know if she wants a plunge or fixed base or one that does both, and I suspect she doesn't know either.

Woodworking really isn't my wheelhouse so I figured I'd check with y'all.

Thanks

Scott

In the GJ spirit of paying it forward, I've got a shelf full of surplus routers in several sizes. I'll make you a heckuva deal to get a new woodworker started and then you could give her a pack of new router bits for her Christmas present.

jack vines
 
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The Bosch 1670 combo kit pictured above is hard to beat. I've got nearly 40 routers so I'm pretty well versed in the router world. The Bosch Colt and other routers like it are great for laminate work and light edge shaping (round over bits and similar) but if you want to get into real woodworking (mortise and tendon joints for example) the 1670 is a much better choice and the price is right. The desire to handle 1/2" bits is wise. More beef in the shank is never a bad idea.
 
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Ah, routers.

Small, medium, large, fixed base, plunge base, D-handle base, 1/4" shank or 1/2" shank bits, one-hand or two-hand, so many choices.

OK, I'll try to distill it down.

Bosch.

There, distilled. :lol:

No, seriously. Bosch is at the top of the line. There are others that may (or may not) be as good or better, but the Bosch routers are generally considered at or near the top.

Now, on to more specific choices.

We'll skip over the BIG routers for now. Usually those tools/machines are bigger and heavier and more powerful and more $$$. Great for mounting in a router table or for swinging BIG bits (like cabinet door profile bits, etc). Not usually considered a 'starter' router (unless you are starting a cabinet shop :LOL: ).

A plunge base is great for plunge cuts. There are possible work-arounds to make a plunge cut with a fixed base router, and sometimes that is just fine and gets the job done and other times where you want/need a plunge base. For just edge treatment of the workpiece, a plunge base is NOT needed and just adds weight and height and extra things to deal with.

The 'palm routers' are physically smaller and lighter, and easier to handle. The Bosch Colt (older one without the LED or the newer one with the LED) is a pretty good router. Variable speed and soft start. It uses 1/4" shank bits. Which you can do a LOT with, just not hogging out big things all in one go (but you wouldn't want to do that anyway, as then you would probably have chip out and tear out to deal with. So you almost always take multiple smaller cut passes , even with 'big' routers). Price is around $100 give-or-take depending on sale and whether it's the older model without the LED or the newer pretty much same machine but a little more power and with an LED. You can get a plunge base, or a kit that includes the plunge base (https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/palm-routers-gkf125cepk-119901-p/).

Older model (but still quite capable, just a little less total power and no LED)

https://www.boschtools.com/us/en/boschtools-ocs/palm-routers-pr20evs-195774-p/

Newer one with the LED and a 'kit' with case and edge guide (handy for indexing off of the edge and then routing a groove away from the edge).


Next up, the Bosch 1617EVSPK kit. You get a fixed base and a plunge base, so your bases are covered (pun intended). Can use 1/4" or 1/2" shank bits, so that is covered. Plenty of power for most bits (except for maybe the biggest cabinet-type bits, like a raised-panel bit. But you'd use those in a router table and you could take smaller depth cuts). Variable speed, which can be handy for bigger bit diameters or 'tricky' woods that burn easily (I'm looking at you cherry). Soft start, so the tool doesn't insta-jump out of your hands when you turn it on.


A router table is handy, and sometimes required to make some cuts (physically or safely).

And the bits. Lots and lots of bits of bits. :lol2:

(back in the day, a Porter-Cable 690 was considered THE general 'pro' router. Plain base, D-handle base, plunge base. But P-C is no longer the P-C of old AFAIK.)

I personally have the Colt (no LED) and the 1617 EVS kit, and an old Craftsman 1/4" that is annoying in some ways but hasn't died yet (currently mounted in an inexpensive small router table) and a DeWalt fixed and plunge kit variable-speed that no longer is variable speed (full-speed only now because the variable no longer varies :mad: , hence the Bosch 1617EVS).

My suggestion would be either the Bosch Colt (handy and can do a LOT) or the 1617EVSPK (handy and can do even more than a LOT, pretty much anything you want/need to do with a router it can do with the appropriate bits and jigs and maybe a router table).

Skil (although owned by Bosch) is generally considered a lower-level tool brand (except for the top-line Skil-Saw worm drive circular). That router kit may be just fine and it may last for years (or decades, see above about my OLD Crapsman router that is still going), but I have no personal experience with that Skil router/kit. Just some other Skil stuff ( not the worm drive) that was definitely home-owner-level stuff.
Skil is no longer owned by Bosch. They sold it to Chervon which makes the black FLEX power tools and Kobalt power tools for Lowes. The Chervon Skil is very good bang for the buck. I have Dewalt (Elu), Bosch, Porter-Cable (the good stuff of yesteryear) Hitachi and Milwaukee routers. I like the no longer made Hitachi TR-12 the best but it's a heavy beast. For the money and capability the 1617 Bosch is hard to beat.
 

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As far as routers go I use a dewalt 611 more than any other. I picked up a second 611 to keep from from changing my most used bits. I prefer it to the older colt. The colt has a better (tighter tolerance) plunge base. Though I never use a plunge base anymore.
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The 1617 is good it was the first rputer I bought. I have a couple at this point. If there is a down side they are a bit top heavy imho. I slightly prefer the 690s but it's moot since they are out of production. I have a bunch of PC, freud, craftsman and bosch routers and they all work well enough that i dont care which i grab (for 1/2" bits)
 

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I agree with Bosch, plunge. The router is only the tip of the iceberg. She'll need a collet/bushing set, a ton of carbide bits, circle jig, fence kit, etc, etc.
 

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I was going to come in and suggest a trim router. I have a Makita with most all of the bases they offer that I got as I gift. I use the fixed base and edge guide for most things but the plunge base is handy too.

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Mostly I am doing hinge mortises and light edge treatments.

I also have a Bosch 1617EVS with a fixed and plunge base. It's really a bear to handle so I've only used it a few times.

I really need to get some more bits for both and a circle jig.
 

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Bosch 1617 or similar DeWalt kit is the Best Buy for a new woodworker. I taught high school woodworking for about eight years, and I would only buy Porter cable 690s or the Bosch 1617 or their predecessors. If a 14 yr old can run them just about any able bodied person should be fine. I don’t think any power tool user would be poorly served by any of those full-size routers. Electronic soft start has negated many of the issues that people would have with overpowered routers.

I personally prefer having a two-handed grip on a router as long as it’s easy to clamp the work. I would strongly suggest a good router, mat or bench cookies to go with the tool. Palm Routers are great, but they limit you to the 1/4” bits that fit, you from getting into some advanced work.
 

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I'll add another vote for the Bosch 1617 kit. VWPieces post #7 isn't much more than the Skill and she'll have access to a wider array of time tested accessories.
 
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I was going to recommend a Bosch or DeWalt combo, but see you already made a choice, a good one!

She's going to love that Bosch!
 
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