mobiledynamics
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Bojo is my default set but soooooo much ranting about these KTC prys....I ordered all of them.
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I like the added weight of through tang type striking cap screw drivers. Also with Vessel their regular plastic/rubber ball grips (red/yellow handles) are made in Thailand, still very nice quality but the striking cap ones with purple/green handles are made in Japan. Usually a small price increase but a worthwhile one. Well all like made in Japan.
I have a few Anex, Sunflag trim clip removers. But TONE has a range of 'Power Grip' handled tools and screwdrivers. This PGCLH-150 stands for Power Grip Clip Long Handle-150mm. When I hold it...I feel the power. With free delivery on Amazon Prime, I saw it for $4.75au and just bought it. I can't believe they could bring anything all the way from Japan to my backdoor for $4 let alone a nice Japan made tool. I was shocked! 
Does anyone know when azon.jp stopped removing Japanese VAT? I haven’t ordered from them for a while, and was surprised my bill wasn’t reduced. Azon.de still removes MwSt from each item. Really helps offset shipping costs.
Jeff
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Ordered a Tone screwdriver. Did not expect it to be made in Japan but it does say Japan on the handle. Nice compact size and a square pattern through-tang.
It may not be made in Japan
IRQVET
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I’m getting the feeling that Tone is not the most forthright/ honest company?
"Japan" and "Made in Japan' are completely different things. Not sure if I consider it dishonest.
IRQVET
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True. But that Tone wrench I had in the previous post is what made me fill this way. Tool didn’t say made in Japan, but the packaging did. Yet the consensus here was it was most likely made in Taiwan. Hence the observation.
Legally, if it says "Made in Japan", it should be made in Japan. Why not email Tone and ask them where that ratchet wrench is made and update us here?
four.cycle
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VAMPIRE TOOLS makes some of their stuff in TAIWAN, but I figured I should probably let you guys know that they're running a holiday special right now and ALL the stuff is 20% off (including the Japan-made items.)
free shipping. no sales tax. best deal they've run this year.
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Similarly I wonder why my Snap On Dual-80 only says "USA" on, not "made in USA". Bahco 80 tooth is made in Spain, it's likely the mechanism comes from the same supplier and the Snap On just makes the handle in USA. Or my Proto XL ratchet too.
Dave455
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This issue was debated to death a couple of years back. The conclusion was that the Dual 80’s were all made in the U.S.
I have no doubt that Snap On would have much preferred their customers to pay for the “brand” rather than the C.O.O, but it seems their customers were more discerning than they thought, so they were forced to put the U.S.A back.
The website confirms they are made in the U.S.A and my understanding of U.S. law is that they would have to put “Made in U.S.A. with Global Components” or some such malarky, if they were importing the ratchet mechanisms.
The Williams ratchet’s are much cheaper, and they are all made in the U.S. too, so I suspect the cost of the ratchet mechanisms isn’t that high, if you make enough!
U.S. legislation is much stricter than Japanese in this regard.
But, and I'm no expert, imported goods need to adhere to U.S. COO labeling rules?
Dave455
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Yes, I’m sure they do, but that usually seems to be the weak area where things slip through.
In any case, Snap On clearly state on their website where every product is made. They would be in trouble if they lied. I don’t know what Tone say on theirs (if anything) and I don’t know where the U.S. stands on companies putting say ”Tone Japan” on a product not made there.
In the U.K, there’s no doubt. Our legislation prohibits ”misleading” names or descriptions, so calling your company “Bloggs, England” and marking imported products as such, is illegal, even if that’s the name of your company.
Maybe that’s why we have tools from seemingly every manufacturer in the world here, but not Tone!
A clothing retailer was heavily fined for selling an “Italian” range of clothing that was actually made in India. They argued it was ”Italian styled” but unsurprisingly that didn’t hold.
Nonetheless, I see stuff that slips through - tools marked something “Germany”, that are obviously made in China, but unless someone complains no action is taken.
four.cycle
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^ that's terrible, Dave! So you have NO "Chicago" power tools from Harbor Freight in the UK? 
Your (England's) way seems to make much more sense.
Dave455
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No, none whatsoever!^ that's terrible, Dave! So you have NO "Chicago" power tools from Harbor Freight in the UK?
But don’t worry - we have ANY number of crappy power tools available under a host of other names!
Dave455
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In the case of descriptions and names, it does, but on the flip side, a tool can be marked “Made in England” if “the last significant manufacturing process” was carried out here.
So a ratchet handle made here, but with imported internals, could be marked “Made in England” without reference to the imported parts. The U.S. legislation gives the consumer greater protection in this instance.
To be labelled "Made in USA" with no qualification only requires that 50% of the component parts and/or manufacturing cost are made in the US. Many companies get around this by making the components overseas and doing final assembly including a US part and packaging in the US. Usually, the cost of labor and materials in the US results in the ability to label as "Made in USA" even if most of the components are made outside the US. They can also add the qualification to include more foreign content.
Your link states that virtually all of the product be made in the USA, not 50%. This is my understanding as well. Other countries have different definitions. Where do you find the 50% figure?
From the linked article . . .
Buy American Act — Requires that a product be manufactured in the U.S. of more than 50 percent U.S. parts to be considered Made in USA for government procurement purposes. For more information, review the Buy American Act at 41 U.S.C. §§ 10a-10c, the Federal Acquisition Regulations at 48 C.F.R. Part 25, and the Trade Agreements Act at 19 U.S.C. §§ 2501-2582.
But that's for government procurement purposes.
What factors does the Commission consider to determine whether a product is "all or virtually all" made in the U.S.?
The product’s final assembly or processing must take place in the U.S. The Commission then considers other factors, including how much of the product’s total manufacturing costs can be assigned to U.S. parts and processing, and how far removed any foreign content is from the finished product. In some instances, only a small portion of the total manufacturing costs are attributable to foreign processing, but that processing represents a significant amount of the product’s overall processing. The same could be true for some foreign parts. In these cases, the foreign content (processing or parts) is more than negligible, and, as a result, unqualified claims are inappropriate.Example: A company produces propane barbecue grills at a plant in Nevada. The product’s major components include the gas valve, burner and aluminum housing, each of which is made in the U.S. The grill’s knobs and tubing are imported from Mexico. An unqualified Made in USA claim is not likely to be deceptive because the knobs and tubing make up a negligible portion of the product’s total manufacturing costs and are insignificant parts of the final product.
Example: A table lamp is assembled in the U.S. from American-made brass, an American-made Tiffany-style lampshade, and an imported base. The base accounts for a small percent of the total cost of making the lamp. An unqualified Made in USA claim is deceptive for two reasons: The base is not far enough removed in the manufacturing process from the finished product to be of little consequence and it is a significant part of the final product.
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IRQVET
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Thanks for the tip bro, just ordered the scissors. My wife just asked me yesterday if i could get a bigger version of our Engineer scissors
Thanks for the tip bro, just ordered the scissors. My wife just asked me yesterday if i could get a bigger version of our Engineer scissors
The Vampire version is the same size, same scissors. Unless I'm missing something . . .
IRQVET
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Nope, both are 6.3". It'd be nice if they made say a HD 200mm/8" scissors in that style though.
Unless the price shown on the final payment screen was lower than the price on the buy-now screen, you actually were. VAT is built into the advertised price. Amazon jp used to remove it for export orders. Now it looks like they don’t. I just checked DE and they still remove MwSt.
Andres26tnt
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You reading this wrong. No where does it state it has to be 50% to be labelled USA made. The stated 50% paragraph is for government procurement. I know lots about this as I work for the gov. As we lost a lot of USA manufacturing. Gov entities had the law tha stated we had to buy only USA made. It became almost impossible to procure tools(example). Hence the reduction to 50% made for procurement. That law changed now and we are allowed to purchase foreign made items, but majority USA.
Now this is quite tricky because of the "virtual" wording in the regulation. The law is still very clear on how to label. Hence why companies don't label USA made(preferably using the assembled blah blah) on items that are 50% or more made here. The evidence is very clear, one just has to look at he many companies that get slapped with fines by the USA gov, one prominent one being Stanley.
Manufacturing in the USA is extremely hard and expensive. I think the law should change at least a little to allow for some leeway. One thing get rid of the virtual wording. Make it 70% or something like that.
Jeff
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Interesting.
I found this on amazon.jp concerning VAT. I don't see the US listed for additional VAT.
Do you have a source that shows where they collect VAT from US customers?
Tax on Low-Value Imported Goods (LVIG) - Amazon Customer Service
Amazon.co.jp is obligated to calculate, collect, and remit Sales Taxes including Value Added Tax (VAT), Goods and Services Tax (GST), and others, on low-value imported goods (LVIG) classified as taxable for each relevant jurisdiction.
www.amazon.co.jp
No, it states at least 50%: "Buy American Act — Requires that a product be manufactured in the U.S. of more than 50 percent U.S. parts to be considered Made in USA"
I'm not reading it wrong at all. I clearly stated "But that's for government procurement purposes." I was simply pointing out where the other poster got the 50% number from.
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my apologies, a lot of people read that portion and stated the wrong info. it is always good to clarify.
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that's wrong, the buy american act does not state or dictate the percentage an item needs to be to be labeled USA-made. It dictates what the Gov and its partners can buy to abide by the law. So an item that is 50% made in the USA will qualify as Made in the USA for "procurement purposes". The gov had to change it to this because it acknowledges that it's impossible to purchase everything from one source. We have lost multiple manufacturers over the years, the gov(for example the military) would have been violating the Buy American Act if it stayed 100% the only USA-made products.
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Too much MiUSA legal talk in the Tools of Japan thread.
Qualitytools
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However, it’s related to manufacturing and labeling whether in the US or other countries. We seem to place weight and value on where a product is made.
Ahhh folks secretly like being lied too, buy a Nepros or Koken extra long flexhead and the price alone will tell u where it's made. But TONE tickles the soul. One feels like they are buying a high quality tool with a price that feels even better. But deep down in the depths of their bowels they know that Amazon $39 price tag that includes delivery is way to silly to be true. But it resembles the real thing, it kinda looks like it and it's absolutely not from HF or China. I'm happy to let those enjoy a little ignorant bliss, it's not hurting anyone. I nearly bought some genuine Bose speakers out of a white van one time.