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Graco/Titan Sprayer rec, large homeowner project

Bolson32

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TLDR; Need a paint sprayer, Graco Pro x17, Graco X7, or Titan Pro 1900? Budget of roughly $500.

We're on the home stretch of a substantial home addition and I'm thinking I'm going to end up tackling the painting myself to try and stay a bit more in budget. I've got 2 closets, a bathroom, a laundry room, and a master bedroom with a vaulted ceiling to tackle along with baseboards and casings on all doors and windows. It's all essentially new construction so I'll just mask off the windows, pull the doors and get to it!

Trimmer will hang primed poplar trim and set the doors next week, then it's time for paint. I'm going to spray as much as possible and am looking at what sprayer to buy. Doors are already finished but walls and trim will need to be finished onsite.

There's a place here that has some factory refurb Graco Pro X17s for $429, which is roughly the same price as an X7 and the Titan Pro 1900, so I'm leaning towards that. However, the Titan does come with a 2 finger gun, which seems to be more preferred and also has a great reputation. Also, if all goes well I'll probably use it to do the exterior and stain some of the porch in the future. I'm sure all of them are more than capable of that.
 
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I would just roller it all. I sprayed my shop 30x32x12. It wasn't worth it. By the time I finished masking the windows, doors and floor, having to back roller anyway and clean up the sprayer, it took way longer than just rolling the whole thing without all the masking and clean up. Now if I were to be doing multiple shops, homes or whatever, it might be worth it.
 
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I would just roller it all. I sprayed my shop 30x32x12. It wasn't worth it. By the time I finished masking the windows, doors and floor, having to back roller anyway and clean up the sprayer, it took way longer than just rolling the whole thing without all the masking and clean up. Now if I were to be doing multiple shops, homes or whatever, it might be worth it.
I assume your shop has flat ceilings and one room. This will be 5 rooms with ceilings, one vaulted, 2 coats of primer, and one finish coat. Hard pass on rolling all of that, plus a sprayed finish on paint-in-place trim looks so much better than trying to do everything with a brush. There are 7 door casings, 9 windows, and over 250ft of baseboards.

Yeah, it'll take me a couple of hours to mask....but it will take me literally days to hand-paint all of that. Also I don't have to mask the floor because it's mostly OSB yet, and the little bit in the bathroom I do have to, I'll be masking anyway as the LVP is going down before trim and I want it kept nice.

Also per the original post, I have 2 halves of the outside of the new house to paint, and the inside of my new garage. I think a sprayer will probably save me a little bit of time.
 

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I have four airless sprayers but still prefer to roll interiors. You should be backrolling interior latex anyway if you spray it. Agree trim is easier and looks better sprayed but I think masking it all off is more work than brushing. Anyway to each his own.

I have a Titan 440 and older Spraytech EPX2155 that's about same size capacity. The Titan has a much nicer pump/filter setup that makes it easier to clean. I actually like the Gracos better but significantly more expensive. I bought the Spraytech to spray interior of my old townhouse but both of these are probably too much for a single project.

Also look into the Graco HVLP (they may call it something else) spray tips. Great for keeping overspray down. I think they are Green IIRC. I needed a different basket but they work with Titan guns.

I recently bought a smaller Graco (think it's a Magnum X5 or possibly X7) and it worked better than I expected. Only really practical for an average room, etc. Not nearly as powerful as the larger pumps. This only matters for being able to turn down pressure as low as possible to keep overspray down and prevent tails.

I have a Graco handheld sprayer that cost more than the Magnum but only handles a quart at a time. This would be great for trim and cleanup is much easier.

Look into a 3M masker and related masking plastic. They work great. The plastic comes anywhere from about a foot to full 8' walls. It dispenses tape onto the plastic, cuts cleanly at end of run then you come back and pull the plastic down wall.

Also look into the spring loaded poles to create an interior partition. I forget brand that I purchased but they were much less expensive than the name brand (is it zipwall?). I bought these from Sherwin Williams and are a must for interior spraying in finished houses.
 

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Assuming you are painting walls with flat or matte paint and the trim with semi gloss or similar: The spray finish will not be as attractive as a nice roller stipple and you will mask twice to spray the trim after you spray the walls or the other way around. You will also not be able to spot repair the spray finish and match the original texture.

I'd roll the walls and ceilings, then mask and spray the trim. But you will want an HVLP finish sprayer, not an airless. For the exterior, an airless is the tool, but I'd rent one because you won't likely need it again until you paint the outside again.
 

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Menards rents sprayers, if you insist on spraying.

if you buy one, the.n you have to store it for the next project that may never happen.

I’ll join the voices that say rolling seems like a more attractive option.
 
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My Menards doesn't rent them, the local rental place does, at $500 a week. Which is more than buying one of the be aforementioned models.
 
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Buy twice as much paint as you think you need. I have the Graco X5. I try to avoid using it and roll whenever possible.
It's unbelievable the places overspray can reach. Get all the PPE too. Bunny suit, hat, glasses, respirator, shoe covers.......
It's easier if you have a helper to back roll the paint.
 

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The graco contractor guns are two finger and the SG3 is 4 finger. I sprayed thousands of gallons with the contractor gun but found I like the 4 finger gun better. There is less spring pressure on the SG3 and you have more fingers to do the work. Are the walls going to be the same color as the ceilings? I would shoot pva/primer first, then spray the ceilings and then spray the trim and roll the finish on the walls. Backrolling is best and I would use a 515 or bigger tip for that. The size of airless will determine your max tip.

I used to run a Speeflo hydraulic pump that we could run two guns with at least 515 tips. A couple years ago I had 8 bathroom buildings to clear coat and paint after we built them so I picked up an x17 or x19 at home depot, on the company dime. My Graco 190es needs rebuilt again, but it was the smallest contractor airless they made 20+ years ago. It pumps on the up and down stroke. I think the new graco was one step below mine but the bathroom buildings were small. It worked fine with a 515 to spray and backroll primer and paint on the block walls. The worst part of the new graco is that it sometimes didn't want to pump again after sitting and needed to be flushed out with a garden hose. Better pumps like my 190 and my Speeflo air powered airless, have no problem pumping clean water from a bucket to rinse and then pumping all the water out of 100+ feet of hose when done. Use a 3/16" whip hose at the gun and make sure you have a swivel gun. The SG3 has a swivel and the lower gun does not.

Baseboards are a ***** to spray because there is always dirt left on the floor, no matter how well you clean. It is also easy to lay down too much paint on that kind of trim. A 413 tip better for that sort of stuff. The first number is half the fan width and the second is the diameter, so 8" fan at 10-12" and 13 thousandths opening. They also have fine finish tips but I have only used one with oil paint.

For drywall work and interior, I only use lambswool roller covers. Roller covers are very easy to clean, if you know how. It is very rare for me to let one sit in paint overnight. Brushes and rollers need to be cleaned out each day to get a nice finish and be able to freehand cut in........I almost never use tape when brushing and rolling. If you spray primer, ceilings, and trim paint, you can easily brush and roll the walls because they will already be sealed. It is easier to freehand the wall color next to the trim and make it all look good or use tape if you must.

It takes a lot of practice to get the coordination for spraying and knowing how much paint to lay down and even after doing it for almost 30 years, I would rather spray and backroll interior ceilings and walls becuase you get a more even finish and don't have to worry much about your spray pattern. It is possible to spray and backroll with only one person. The power fed rollers are a pain and I hardly used mine. The idea with backrolling is to spray enough paint that you hardly have to dip the roller. Most people don't use nearly enough paint when rolling anyway. When doing brush and roller work, my roller is so wet that it almost drips and then I slather the paint on the wall and dip again every roller width or so. The first pass slops the paint on the wall somewhat evenly and after I have 4 to 5 feet of width of the wall covered, I roll over it again smoothing out the paint and working it in. You should not hear the roller and it should not fling the paint. There should be a solid wet film on the wall but not so much that it runs. It also does not take a lot of force, but you need a good roller pole that is adjustable and a good amount of paint. When it is dry, the nap sticks to the wall and splatters and it takes more force. It sounds messy, but when done right, there aren't a lot of drips. On new construction, it is no problem to drip some on the floor. Brushing is the same. So many people use very little paint and treat it like they are dry brushing. You can't water the lawn without soaking the grass and making sure it is saturated and getting a good film thickness and coverage with paint is the same. The key is getting a nice finish with your final strokes.

When spraying, I always thin the paint so it flows out. For Behr paint (it acutally works well and I have used many brands) I might add half a gallon or so of water to 5 gallons of paint. Just go by feel and use just enough to make it flow out but not run. If you use it straight, the sprayed areas will have orange peel or end up too thick once it does flow. You can try not thinning it and see how it goes for backrolling. I have not tried many of the new tips since I don't paint often anymore, so I can't say if they do make a big difference in overspray or finish quality. The spray gun should be within a foot of the surface and I suspect that people who have a ton of overspray may be too far away.
 
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Thanks for the feedback fellas, I'll still probably pick one up to do my garage and exterior eventually. But for now I went and got one last bid, and it was too good to pass up so I won't be tackling the interior painting after all.
 

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I have four airless sprayers but still prefer to roll interiors. You should be backrolling interior latex anyway if you spray it. Agree trim is easier and looks better sprayed but I think masking it all off is more work than brushing. Anyway to each his own.

I have a Titan 440 and older Spraytech EPX2155 that's about same size capacity. The Titan has a much nicer pump/filter setup that makes it easier to clean. I actually like the Gracos better but significantly more expensive. I bought the Spraytech to spray interior of my old townhouse but both of these are probably too much for a single project.

Also look into the Graco HVLP (they may call it something else) spray tips. Great for keeping overspray down. I think they are Green IIRC. I needed a different basket but they work with Titan guns.

I recently bought a smaller Graco (think it's a Magnum X5 or possibly X7) and it worked better than I expected. Only really practical for an average room, etc. Not nearly as powerful as the larger pumps. This only matters for being able to turn down pressure as low as possible to keep overspray down and prevent tails.

I have a Graco handheld sprayer that cost more than the Magnum but only handles a quart at a time. This would be great for trim and cleanup is much easier.

Look into a 3M masker and related masking plastic. They work great. The plastic comes anywhere from about a foot to full 8' walls. It dispenses tape onto the plastic, cuts cleanly at end of run then you come back and pull the plastic down wall.

Also look into the spring loaded poles to create an interior partition. I forget brand that I purchased but they were much less expensive than the name brand (is it zipwall?). I bought these from Sherwin Williams and are a must for interior spraying in finished houses.
I bought one of those and it's a great machine. I would not have bought anything like that until the Graco came out. I have an old HVLP turbine powered spray kit from the 80's and it does fine work like balusters really well. Like a powerful over sized spray can. It can handle some reasonably heavy paint.
 

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I bought one of those and it's a great machine. I would not have bought anything like that until the Graco came out. I have an old HVLP turbine powered spray kit from the 80's and it does fine work like balusters really well. Like a powerful over sized spray can. It can handle some reasonably heavy paint.
Yeah I have a Fuji HVLP turbine that I used to spray precatalyzed lacquer on a kitchen and some furniture that I made but the Graco is great for latex.
 

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I have a Titan 740i airless I bought second hand and used it when did our addition (2,000 square feet and a large portion has 17' ceilings). However, I only shot the primer on the walls and ceilings and shot the ceiling paint. I also back rolled everything I shot. The walls I rolled with a 18" roller. There was a lot of dust from the over spray I was afraid it would get blown into the walls. The baseboards and window casings I brushed, doors I rolled/brushed.

I haven't used them, but you may want to check out the newer low pressure tips for spraying millwork if you go that route. They are supposed to be a lot better and have less over spray.

Always get the largest machine you can afford would be my advice.
 

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The graco contractor guns are two finger and the SG3 is 4 finger. I sprayed thousands of gallons with the contractor gun but found I like the 4 finger gun better. There is less spring pressure on the SG3 and you have more fingers to do the work. Are the walls going to be the same color as the ceilings? I would shoot pva/primer first, then spray the ceilings and then spray the trim and roll the finish on the walls. Backrolling is best and I would use a 515 or bigger tip for that. The size of airless will determine your max tip.

I used to run a Speeflo hydraulic pump that we could run two guns with at least 515 tips. A couple years ago I had 8 bathroom buildings to clear coat and paint after we built them so I picked up an x17 or x19 at home depot, on the company dime. My Graco 190es needs rebuilt again, but it was the smallest contractor airless they made 20+ years ago. It pumps on the up and down stroke. I think the new graco was one step below mine but the bathroom buildings were small. It worked fine with a 515 to spray and backroll primer and paint on the block walls. The worst part of the new graco is that it sometimes didn't want to pump again after sitting and needed to be flushed out with a garden hose. Better pumps like my 190 and my Speeflo air powered airless, have no problem pumping clean water from a bucket to rinse and then pumping all the water out of 100+ feet of hose when done. Use a 3/16" whip hose at the gun and make sure you have a swivel gun. The SG3 has a swivel and the lower gun does not.

Baseboards are a ***** to spray because there is always dirt left on the floor, no matter how well you clean. It is also easy to lay down too much paint on that kind of trim. A 413 tip better for that sort of stuff. The first number is half the fan width and the second is the diameter, so 8" fan at 10-12" and 13 thousandths opening. They also have fine finish tips but I have only used one with oil paint.

For drywall work and interior, I only use lambswool roller covers. Roller covers are very easy to clean, if you know how. It is very rare for me to let one sit in paint overnight. Brushes and rollers need to be cleaned out each day to get a nice finish and be able to freehand cut in........I almost never use tape when brushing and rolling. If you spray primer, ceilings, and trim paint, you can easily brush and roll the walls because they will already be sealed. It is easier to freehand the wall color next to the trim and make it all look good or use tape if you must.

It takes a lot of practice to get the coordination for spraying and knowing how much paint to lay down and even after doing it for almost 30 years, I would rather spray and backroll interior ceilings and walls becuase you get a more even finish and don't have to worry much about your spray pattern. It is possible to spray and backroll with only one person. The power fed rollers are a pain and I hardly used mine. The idea with backrolling is to spray enough paint that you hardly have to dip the roller. Most people don't use nearly enough paint when rolling anyway. When doing brush and roller work, my roller is so wet that it almost drips and then I slather the paint on the wall and dip again every roller width or so. The first pass slops the paint on the wall somewhat evenly and after I have 4 to 5 feet of width of the wall covered, I roll over it again smoothing out the paint and working it in. You should not hear the roller and it should not fling the paint. There should be a solid wet film on the wall but not so much that it runs. It also does not take a lot of force, but you need a good roller pole that is adjustable and a good amount of paint. When it is dry, the nap sticks to the wall and splatters and it takes more force. It sounds messy, but when done right, there aren't a lot of drips. On new construction, it is no problem to drip some on the floor. Brushing is the same. So many people use very little paint and treat it like they are dry brushing. You can't water the lawn without soaking the grass and making sure it is saturated and getting a good film thickness and coverage with paint is the same. The key is getting a nice finish with your final strokes.

When spraying, I always thin the paint so it flows out. For Behr paint (it acutally works well and I have used many brands) I might add half a gallon or so of water to 5 gallons of paint. Just go by feel and use just enough to make it flow out but not run. If you use it straight, the sprayed areas will have orange peel or end up too thick once it does flow. You can try not thinning it and see how it goes for backrolling. I have not tried many of the new tips since I don't paint often anymore, so I can't say if they do make a big difference in overspray or finish quality. The spray gun should be within a foot of the surface and I suspect that people who have a ton of overspray may be too far away.

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Always get the largest machine you can afford would be my advice.
Yes, nothing like a puny airless. Back when I was a union painter I used guns that would kick like a .22 painting underground garages at hotels and the like. Easily 100 gallons a day. Maybe more, it was a long time ago. These days if I paint with an airless it will have an extension on the gun. 12" is fine for 8' walls and ceilings and very mangable. 36" extension saves your arms and back, They come in sets that go to 9' and that is hard to control for really nice work. In a garage..... You just walk back and forth with the thing wide open. .023 tip with a 24" fan.
 

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I am another Graco HVLP turbine owner and have a very high regard for it. Its a great trim, cabinet, door sprayer.
 

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"Always get the largest machine you can afford would be my advice."
"Yes, nothing like a puny airless."

My first airless cost thousands, it is hard to go down to the homeowners versions, total different animal. Either buy a pro version or rent a high end airless; for $500 you can not get a pro machine. With a pro machine you can paint as fast as you move your arm.
 
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