Shweiss doors
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wssix99
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The simple answer is that anything that opens outward (like an outswing exterior door) is a nightmare to seal against water infiltration. (Even if you pay more money.)
Same reason you don't see man doors to houses open outwards or bi-folds, etc.
Same reason you don't see man doors to houses open outwards or bi-folds, etc.
Seals better than a std door.
readhead
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I have installed a few of them. Mainly used on aircraft hangars. They are designed to seal very well when installed correctly.
The price you have is for the door only. Now you need some very complex bracing for the header, insulation, siding to install on the frame, install of the frame and door jambs and quite a bit of electrical work. When installed on a metal building the building has to be designed specifically for the door.
The price you have is for the door only. Now you need some very complex bracing for the header, insulation, siding to install on the frame, install of the frame and door jambs and quite a bit of electrical work. When installed on a metal building the building has to be designed specifically for the door.
wssix99
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Not on a like for like basis with a standard garage door. If built like a regular garage door and if you were to pay the price of a regular garage door, you can be guaranteed that it would leak like swiss cheese.
if you want a special door, you'll need exotic solutions to these endemic problems. You'll pay for this in a number of ways...
It seals against the wall, pretty much same as a regular door. Least seems that way.
Hydraulic even better as it's forced close.
Make in Minnesota, so they understand winter I'd imagine.
wssix99
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Regular doors don't seal against the wall. There is actually a large gap between them and the wall. They press against seals mounted to the outside of the opening and the door lifts up and in away from the seals and the wall.
You are proving the point here...
We have smart people and dipshits in all 50 States. The best quality doors I have seen are the ones actually tested to meet Florida codes. (no matter where they are made)
wssix99
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Are you looking for validation that this is a wise investment? If so, I think you will need to share more details with folks as to what you are looking to do.
This is a very large opening. If this is for a 2 car garage with a Civic and minivan, then it sounds like a bit much. if you are pulling boat trailers into two bays or parking an airplane, then that's a different thing.
readhead
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It looks like you already have a bifold door. What is this about?
jack stand
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His size door is probably what's behind the higher cost. That 20' width is a monster for an overhead door and will probably require "stiff backs" on every panel.
There is a practical maximum width and height standard for overhead doors where there's just not enough structure in the door itself before you even start to consider the massive potential wind loads. Then there's just supporting itself in the open position.
Rolling doors or this bi fold type are usually called on for this width door.
There is a practical maximum width and height standard for overhead doors where there's just not enough structure in the door itself before you even start to consider the massive potential wind loads. Then there's just supporting itself in the open position.
Rolling doors or this bi fold type are usually called on for this width door.
jack stand
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Wasn't this at his work?
readhead
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I believe so. Is the existing door damaged or out of service?
Two doors 10x13 that are too narrow and builder grade. And rusted out at the bottom from urine. I think from a dog, but not sure.
jack stand
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This door is for his home/shop.
Why would I need a 20x14 door for a minivan?
For truck and equipment work so need max height and at least 12ft wide, and that would be tight. Plus need 2 doors. With 20 wide, can park side by side and only 1 door.
Regular doors sort of seal against the interior wall and then have brush seals on the exterior.Regular doors don't seal against the wall. There is actually a large gap between them and the wall. They press against seals mounted to the outside of the opening and the door lifts up and in away from the seals and the wall.
You are proving the point here...
We have smart people and dipshits in all 50 States. The best quality doors I have seen are the ones actually tested to meet Florida codes. (no matter where they are made)
Bifold door or hydraulic does similar but seals against exterior wall.
readhead
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Is this for your home or shop? As I mentioned before there is a lot more to a bifold door installation. It sounds like an overhead door makes more sense in this case.
Currently both.
6k cheaper, retain full headroom, doesn't block ceiling, not seeing a benefit to a regular door?
readhead
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Have you checked with Schweiss about requirements for framing? I apologize. I lost the plot somewhere along the line. I got stuck on the first photos.
Leaflessshadetree
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The reason they aren't more common:
1. most people don't have that size opening
2. sliding doors are more common for large openings
3. I doubt the cost figures you have are common for many sizes/areas
1. most people don't have that size opening
2. sliding doors are more common for large openings
3. I doubt the cost figures you have are common for many sizes/areas
wssix99
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^ This is one of your huge cost drivers.
Ideally, you would have the two 12' wide doors. 12' doors are common for factories and true professional truck driver can get through one without a problem. Is there anyway you can make more space for this arrangement?
I also assume that you need an outswing door because you don't have headroom over your trucks on a 14' ceiling, even for a high lift track? Is that the case, have you looked at roll-up doors? They are a fraction of the cost of what you are looking at.
12ft door is tight. Some of the equipment is ~11ft wide. Not impossible, just way easier with extra space.
Plus not enough room on a 30ft wall for 2 12ft doors. Inside is 29ft, minus a man door, That's only 2 ft of wall.
That's why it makes sense for 1 wide door.
In any case door width is already decided. Just which door is what I'm looking at.
They ARE pretty common. Both the bifold and hydraulic swing doors. Most here just work on cars so they don't get it. Even 20x13 is a small door.
The bifold doors you don't have to worry about snow in front of the door as much. They both take a lot of framing.
The bifold doors you don't have to worry about snow in front of the door as much. They both take a lot of framing.
Stuart in MN
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I only have limited experience with bifold doors but the ones I've seen were very slow to open and close, and also had latches on each side that had to be manually operated so it wasn't the sort of thing where you could just push a button and then drive away.
It's interesting that Schweiss is in Minnesota, I haven't heard of the brand before.
It's interesting that Schweiss is in Minnesota, I haven't heard of the brand before.
jack stand
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Lots of big farms with big equipment and big doors!
NORTON'S SHOP
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There's quite a number of these doors around where I live. Maybe that they're made forty miles from where I live has something to do with it. Everyone that has one that I know personally has nothing but good to say about them. They seal quite well also. Much better than a typical overhead door.
Auto latches now.
55 seconds is what they quoted for a 14ft door, but they said they can speed it up. I'd say 10 seconds max would be reasonable.
Old Moparz
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I had been looking at doors & saw this brand & it looks to be well made. My issue is that I have an 8' high opening & will lose too much of that height with the door in the top portion of the opening. With a 13' door opening like you have it may not be an issue but you have to check on how much space the door takes up.
Doesn't take up opening space. It mounts above that.
I'd reframe for a 14ft opening... ceiling height.
Old Moparz
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Okay, maybe there are several styles. The one I saw takes up about 12" in the opening.
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wssix99
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I came across this today and was reminded that it is possible to not park big things all the way in the garage...
I've installed two Schweiss doors in the last few years. Both 32' wide and 22' high. Both have auto latches. You can simply push a button and drive away. Opening and closing is slower than your typical garage door, but it isn't terrible. The Schweiss doors are great but the company is horrible to deal with. At least Brook was.
The quote they gave me was 47 seconds to open which is stupid slow.
I'm waiting to hear back if a reasonable speed can happen, like ~10-15 seconds. Also waiting to hear back on what the R value is.
Found a place called MeNards that sells doors. A commercial R16 door with windows, 20x13.5 is about $5500. Door opener another $1500. Dunno if it's something they ship though.
Crazy that locally it's 3x that.
Slowboat
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I have been looking at these as well, and contemplating building my own frame.
Can anyone give me a rough cost for an RV size door? Say 12x14 (this is for a boat, tall and narrow).
Thinking about how to disguise this in a residential style garage…
Can anyone give me a rough cost for an RV size door? Say 12x14 (this is for a boat, tall and narrow).
Thinking about how to disguise this in a residential style garage…