Langmuir Titan CNC Press Brake

[Craftfab]

Thought some may be interested in this new Langmuir CNC brake shown at PRI.

Titan 25T Deposit - PRI Show Early Access

Early Launch MSRP $3995 - PRI Show Early Access Only Reserve your spot in line for the Titan 25T. This is a refundable $500 deposit for the Titan 25T. Product Specifications: Tonnage Capacity = 25 Tons Bend Width = 33 Inches (Max) Hydraulic Pressure = 3000 PSI (Max) Tooling = American Ram...

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Product Specifications:​

• Tonnage Capacity = 25 Tons
• Bend Width = 33 Inches (Max)
• Hydraulic Pressure = 3000 PSI (Max)
• Tooling = American
• Ram Travel = 4 inch (Max)
• Stroke Speed = 10 inch/min (Max)
• Ram-to-Table Opening = 9.6 inches
• Weight = Approximately 700 lbs
• Input Power = 240VAC. 50/60Hz Single Phase, 10A (Fused)

 

[finn]

Buy a HF press and a 20 ton SWAG finger brake kit and keep $3500 in your pocket.

 

[fordkid88]

I seriously want one of these. These are gonna be back logged once hit the market. I've already started a tool fund for one and figure about two years. Hopefully by then the bugs will be worked out and some folks on here get some experience with them.

 

[lilscorpion]

I want one too…hesitated on the pre-order, got side tracked, and missed it…

Read on another thread that the back gauge may not be included in the $4k price. May be an add on so maybe more like $6k I’m guessing fully setup.

 

[RichieP_MechE]

Langmuir Systems | TITAN 25T CNC PRESS BRAKE

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Next chance to put down a deposit is January 15th. This is very tempting!

 

[speed bump]

I'm gonna have to think hard about one of these for work. My boss wants to buy a big one but I'm not sure where we would put it. This one is cheap enough and small enough to hide in a corner and would save a lot of time fabricating brackets.

 

[BrooklynBravest]

I put my deposit down the day of the PRI show and i already have a homemade hydraulic setup.

The people saying use a swag and save money have no idea the value of a cnc press brake.

The fact that this is compact and single phase, game changing potential.

It will likely be about $8000 shipped with maybe one tool set.

This machine works enough to make me money. But it won’t achieve what my imagination has in storage.

 

[GeoBruin]

I put my deposit down the day of the PRI show and i already have a homemade hydraulic setup.

The people saying use a swag and save money have no idea the value of a cnc press brake.

The fact that this is compact and single phase, game changing potential.

It will likely be about $8000 shipped with maybe one tool set.

This machine works enough to make me money. But it won’t achieve what my imagination has in storage.

If you need some place to dump that old junker press, give me a call. I'll even come pick it up, no charge.

 

[BrooklynBravest]

lol I’ll keep you in mind. It cost about $3500 to build. (With brand new tooling) And it definitely has its quirks.

The tooling was probably $1300.

 

[Sumboodie]

If I need something bent, I've use had a shop do it for fairly cheap.

In 20 years, I've had 3 or 4 things bent. Usually just cut and weld.

 

[BrooklynBravest]

You are not the target consumer…

 

[speed bump]

If I need something bent, I've use had a shop do it for fairly cheap.

In 20 years, I've had 3 or 4 things bent. Usually just cut and weld.

Since I don't work in a fab shop we don't really need bending capabilities but for maximum productivity in a fab shop its a necessity. Having the brake with a CNC plasma its just ridiculous how much welding and time you can remove from an assembly.

 

[slodat]

From what I’ve seen in it looks like the $8k guess is right on the brake fully equipped. I read somewhere it uses American style tooling. That stuff is widely available on the used market.

I have a 70 ton, 65” 4+1 axis CNC press brake. The CNC part is what makes the Langmuir exciting. When I bought my brake there wasn’t much else on the market for options that was CNC. The NC two axis machines were and are out there, but they leave a lot to be desired.

My brake and CNC plasma brought in about 3x their purchase price in revenue the first year I had them. Additionally they opened a lot of doors to other work.

This Langmuir is really exciting, especially for under $10k landed.

 

[JSGAuto]

I work with larger Trumph and LVD machines, so very familiar with these machines.

This is an excellent machine for a small business starting out. Bring back manufacturing!

If only my garage was a little bigger!

 

[lilscorpion]

I’ve now asked them a lot of questions on their FB page and it seeks the brake fully loaded will be about $6k (+ tax and shipping) with the included set of tooling. They are saying they plan to sell additional tooling for 1/10 what the big boys sell it for…so hundreds instead of thousands. There’s maybe half a dozen different punches I’d want, a few 4-ways, and ideally some really long punches. What’s important is to have them segmented and extras to be machined and/or cut down later. As one becomes familiar, custom tooling can be as game changing as the machine was itself initially.

I’m gonna bet that it won’t be durable to truly do production cycles like you do @slodat . For a home guy or occasional fabricator tho, game changing.

 

[Southernbuild]

Any other thoughts? I've been wanting a programmable press brake for a while, and this looks very promising.

New industrial units are mega expensive, and I question the support especially on the software / control side for old well used ex industrial machines. Plus, they are probably larger than is practical for my space.

Defiantly would be getting the back gauge option.

 

[slodat]

@lilscorpion I tried to find the conversation on the Shop Sabre facebook page. I'd be interested to see what they have to say. A challenge I see is most of the guys inquiring probably haven't used a modern CNC press brake.

@Southernbuild You are spot on! Import "budget" friendly CNC press brakes start in the mid $40k range and obviously go up from there. I have a 5' 70T 4+1 axis import press brake. It has been a great machine for my uses. I also agree you want the CNC controlled back gauge. I'm somewhat shocked this even an option and not included in the base model.

 

[RichieP_MechE]

I'm planning to put a deposit down. I've had the fantasy of designing and building my own CNC press brake, but there's no way I could make one up to my standards for less than the $6K of the fully optioned Langmuir. Seems like the right time to buy as it's only going to get more expensive. It's a great size for my low ceiling shop too, and will pair well with the 2x4 CNC plasma I'm picking up next week. I'm excited about it for sure!

 

[Southernbuild]

I recently bought a CNC plasma table (that I haven't picked up yet), and it feels like this CNC brake (and then power coating), would be a dream setup for..... something... And, a huge programming challenge.

I'm not quite sure then end goal; ideally some small (tiny) scale manufacturing that could help fund a shop....

Manly I love increasing my skill sets.

 

[paranoid56]

was mad when i missed the first presale on this. i was one of the early buyers of the mr1 and so far love it and this would come in very very handy. currently using a press with the swag setup, but this would be a game changer. will be putting a deposit down asap

 

[lilscorpion]

My biggest concern is durability and long term repeatability especially at this price point.

 

[Interfaces]

Brake newbie here. Can anyone tell me the maximum bend height this machine can do?
By bend height I'm referring to the maximum length of sheet that can go past the punch and die jaws -- inside the machine during the brake operation.
I imagine the depth of the backgauge would determine this limit?

 

[RichieP_MechE]

Brake newbie here. Can anyone tell me the maximum bend height this machine can do?
By bend height I'm referring to the maximum length of sheet that can go past the punch and die jaws -- inside the machine during the brake operation.
I imagine the depth of the backgauge would determine this limit?

Looks to be about 18" or so to me. Though if you move the backstop fingers to either side, as long as your sheet fits between them you could bend any length to at least 90 degrees (within the limitations of the press tonnage and overhanging weight of the sheet/plate, at least for the first bend)



For those of us that placed a preorder, today we received a survey about what tooling we might purchase. They are initially offering 5 die profiles and 5 punch shapes in several lengths. Pricing shown below.

 

[lilscorpion]

Brake newbie here. Can anyone tell me the maximum bend height this machine can do?
By bend height I'm referring to the maximum length of sheet that can go past the punch and die jaws -- inside the machine during the brake operation.
I imagine the depth of the backgauge would determine this limit?

A observation from someone on the Facebook page - With how the fingers attach, and how the fingers can move up and down, you could achieve a much longer bend by making custom fingers that set back off if the mounts. Maybe double or more the capacity if the machine with repeatability. If/whwn my machine shows up I’ll likely make some offset fingers fairly quickly.

That said, looking back at the parts I made 20 years ago last I had a brake, very few needed more than 18”. I’d say maybe 95% of the parts could be done on this machine. Might have been even higher % than that.

The more frequent need was bending off the end, clearance for taller dies, and shorter die segments for mid and inter-part bends.

 

[slodat]

I buy press brake tooling from Fab Supply in Chicago. They offer punches and dies in full lengths and segmented. I usually buy one full and one segmented for the job shop stuff I’m doing. It was worked out well for me. My brake uses Euro tooling. This comes in 835mm length if I recall correctly.

 

[BMEP]

I missed this thread back on Dec... I pre-ordered right after the PRI special. I am very excited about the machine and if it does what's advertised and is repeatable, it'll be awesome for my needs. Unfortunately, they're still not shipping them yet. That's ok since I'm still doing my shop buildout anyway.

 

[GeoBruin]

I missed this thread back on Dec... I pre-ordered right after the PRI special. I am very excited about the machine and if it does what's advertised and is repeatable, it'll be awesome for my needs. Unfortunately, they're still not shipping them yet. That's ok since I'm still doing my shop buildout anyway.

Keep us posted!

 

[RichieP_MechE]

The first 25T was complete on May 21, they should gradually be making their way out into the world now

Update on the TITAN 25T

Hey Everyone, We wanted to update you on the TITAN 25T. The team has been busy and we’ve got some great news to share! Our production line is up and running, and the first Titan was finished this week! More of them are rolling off the line as we speak! Here it Titan #1! We’ve been working super...

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[lilscorpion]

The first 25T was complete on May 21, they should gradually be making their way out into the world now

Update on the TITAN 25T

Hey Everyone, We wanted to update you on the TITAN 25T. The team has been busy and we’ve got some great news to share! Our production line is up and running, and the first Titan was finished this week! More of them are rolling off the line as we speak! Here it Titan #1! We’ve been working super...

forum.langmuirsystems.com

I saw on FB channel that someone called and was told that PRI (pre-pre release sales) are mfg’d and shipping now thru July. Pre-orders taken the day of the pre-order launch are probably going to be sometime August.

Who knows how aligned any of it is with reality.

 

[slodat]

I ordered a week or two ago and it said a year from now is expected shipping date.

 

[cannuck]

I have been able to do 90% of my needs on my 2' tooling in my 20 ton press and 4' 16ga box and pan leaf brake. But, in reality I know what my capacity is so try to design most things around it. The only reservation I would have is 33" capacity instead of 48" clear. 4' is such a logical size due to normal steel cut. My last addition to the collection went with 10' between posts (because I anticipate 10' sections of what I intend to build) but alas purely mechanical backstop. I can see if someone has the volume that the extra bux for numerical control would pay out in the long run.

 

[dr_clyde]

Looks like a very capable machine for the price. The only thing I've seen that comes close is the Di-Acro hydraulics and they're not CNC.

25ton isn't very much, but with air bending vs coining or bottoming you can get away with a lot more thickness per ton.

I could see this being very useful in a prototype setting or small shop that just needs brackets or small pans, etc.

 

[lilscorpion]

Think it really depends on what you intend to build. My first machine in-house that could bend was a 12” brake attached to an iron worker. It only had depth control so I made a mechanical back stop and (90*) guide. I was amazed at how many parts we were able to make repeatedly and quickly with it. But you’re right - there were things we sold we couldn’t bend on the machine due to the size limitations.

In a press brake there are tricks you can use to make parts bigger than the machine can bend in one hit but you need to be able to have open ends so you can break off the end of the machine. Even so, you still have limitations.

I agree with you tho - 48” would be a better size than 33. Where this machine is really limited is tonage tho. Some of the parts I’ve made in the past would require quite the oarge bottom die to pull off in it.

 

[cannuck]

I agree with you tho - 48” would be a better size than 33. Where this machine is really limited is tonage tho. Some of the parts I’ve made in the past would require quite the oarge bottom die to pull off in it.

Will let you in on a dirty secret after being around fab shops for 45 years: EVERY tool doesn't have enough power (so it seems). My 12' is only 300 tons and that is quite limiting.

 

[lilscorpion]

Will let you in on a dirty secret after being around fab shops for 45 years: EVERY tool doesn't have enough power (so it seems). My 12' is only 300 tons and that is quite limiting.

That or machine manufactures optimize their capabilities to an average thickness of material for the average shop and most shops fab in 20-11 ga.

 

[dr_clyde]

That or machine manufactures optimize their capabilities to an average thickness of material for the average shop and most shops fab in 20-11 ga.

This is very true, although I'd extend that range out to 7ga.

I recently had an opportunity to take a job working as the weld department manager at a fairly large sheet metal shop and the VAST bulk of material that runs through our forming department is 18, 16, 14, 11 and 7ga. We cut a lot of thicker stuff, it just rarely gets formed. We have 4 flat lasers and a tube laser running two shifts, so we see a lot of sheet metal. We have 3 brakes, a 35 ton, a 100 ton and our biggest is 180 ton and they handle 95% of the material we are asked to form. Anything bigger we sub out. The little 35 ton brake gets as much or more use as the bigger brakes, as we form thousands and thousands of clips, brackets and channels on that little brake. Granted, our brakes are industrial machines, designed to run constantly, but if you can design your parts so they can be air bent instead of coined you'd be surprised what you can get away with on a smaller brake.

 

[dscheidt]

Granted, our brakes are industrial machines, designed to run constantly, but if you can design your parts so they can be air bent instead of coined you'd be surprised what you can get away with on a smaller brake.

Isn't that the big advantage of CNC brakes, that you can dial in the required overbend so that when the part springs back, it has the designed bend in it, and then run that repeatably?

 

[tjansson]

Isn't that the big advantage of CNC brakes, that you can dial in the required overbend so that when the part springs back, it has the designed bend in it, and then run that repeatably?

The non-CNC Amada press brake I use, has adjustable max travel, so once you get it dialed, you can keep making that bend over and over, or even take note what height you used so you can return to it later. I think the bigger advantage is the back stop. With the CNC you can program a series of bends and each bend can have it's own height and backstop setting.

 

[cannuck]

Isn't that the big advantage of CNC brakes, that you can dial in the required overbend so that when the part springs back, it has the designed bend in it, and then run that repeatably?

You can and DO do the same thing with a manual stop. Thing is: not that simple to pick a number out of thin air and expect it to work every time. Most jobs start with a coupon from waste of the material and get bent in same punch and die setup with same grain orientation (yes, that makes quite a difference). Each groove in the die makes a different bend and had different spring back. Once you have it dialed in you will be able to repeat with great accuracy. Of course, you do the same thing with CNC machine and you can change the tooling or the bend sequences and come back to original tools and setup to get same bends (within reasonable tolerances).

 

[cannuck]

That or machine manufactures optimize their capabilities to an average thickness of material for the average shop and most shops fab in 20-11 ga.

I do most of my work in 1/4" so pretty easy with a long part to max out a break.