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It looks like a very good knife. Is it carbon steel? And did they stack the handle or wrap it?
Randall is an old name in semi-custom knives, founded just before World War 2. Bo Randall really made a name for himself making knives for GIs during the war, and the brand has grown steadily ever since. The WW2 vintage knives start about $2500 and go up rapidly, based on condition and/or provenance. If I had one, it would have been posted here long ago :).

Their military models typically have +/- 7” blades, made from 1/4” thick stock, and a full tang. The original handles were stacked leather (like mine above), but can be significantly customized. Their hunting/fishing knives can have either 3/16” stock blades or 1/4”, depending on the design. This Model 7 is quite svelte in the hand; the big military knives can be, as well.

This link should tell you about the construction of the knives. https://www.randallknives.com/knife-construction/ which has changed very little since the company was founded. From there you can also find a more detailed history.

The one I pictured above is carbon steel (O1), but they’re also available in stainless (440?). It’s also quite “standard,” which makes it less expensive and a good user. It’s not hard to double the cost of a Randall if ordering new, depending what options one want to add. But ordering new is a long process - IIRC about 5 years - unless you order from an authorized dealer. But a new knife wouldn’t fit on the *vintage* thread😉

@Beerhippie thanks! And yes, I am familiar with the song, though I tend to think of the knife in the song in terms of a military model. I’ll scrounge up a photo of a WW2 vintage knife.
 
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This page has pictures of a bunch of different WW2 vintage Randalls: https://www.randallmadeknife.com/1940s-1

Here's a link which will show you numerous examples of how Randalls may be customized, segregated by model number: http://www.knifetalkforums.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=40328#Post40328 that should keep anyone who's interested occupied until the cows come home, lol

At the 30,000 foot view of Randalls:
Model 1 is the descendant of the WW2 knives, and surprisingly similar to a WW2 vintage Kabar, though a LOT beefier
Model 2 is a beefed up Fairbairn-Sykes shape
Model 3 can be configured for either military or hunting size/shape (and a 3-5, with a 5" blade, was reportedly Bo Randall's favorite design/size)
Model 14 and 15 are the other primarily military size/shape knives.
 
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Nice!

While there is some resemblance between the #1 and the KaBar fighter, there is more difference to my eye. Same goes for the #2 and F-S Commando. Aside from the round grip and crossguard, not that similar.

Now I want at least one of each!
 

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Where and the heck have I been? I trapped ****, Fox, Muskrat and Shot and butchered my own in Pa, Ohio, West Virginia, Maryland and fished King Salmon Alaska and fished both Atlantic and Pacific and never anyone had or mentioned a Randell knife. They must be very scarce or very expensive that all my friends and family refused to use one and loose it. Or afraid I would steel it.lol. I had a big hunting camp in Pa and then one here in Ky. And never heard of Randell.
 
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Welcome aboard, @The Bean ! Like that gift from your (future) wife, in part because it’s clearly well used and loved. I have “challenges” with knives migrating out of my pocket, unless they’re dummy corded or have a pocket clip, so appreciate the history and family connection.
 

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I looked up “Is it bad luck to give someone a knife”
Short answer: no!
That said, many cultures believe it to be bad luck, and in Japanese folklore if one chooses to terminate the bonds of friendship or love with another, a knife is given as a symbolic 'severing' of ties between the two parties. But here in Canada, receiving a knife as a gift is cause for celebration! Countless Birthdays, weddings and a plethora of other joyous occasions are often marked by the offering of rectangular boxes bursting with steel and wood! So how do we avoid this long held superstition, and keep our relationships intact while still being able to shop at your favourite knife store?

The answer is simple: Include a coin in the box.

The truth is, this is done in many cultures to counteract the bad vibes that a gift knife may unintentionally bring. The coin is used to symbolically “purchase” the knife from the person presenting it to you. Upon accepting their brand new knife, all they have to do is remove the coin, admire its beauty, and then give it back to you. Now the transaction is complete, and your relationship can remain unharmed!
 
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I have given and received knives as gifts, and there was never a coin associated with the gift. Glad that none of those friendships were severed as a result.
 
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Ive always carried a stockman pattern, this one is in my pocket now. New York Knife Co Walden NY
 

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rustyedge, nice vintage folder from the Snap-On of knives companies in the early 20th century. Would be proud to have that in my collection.
 

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aside from tools guns and fishing equipment . pocket knives have a way of finding themselves coming home with me….45F96CB8-D9A7-4592-80BD-CA9028E56328.jpeg363D3BB6-7F7A-498B-936F-3E0E01EAB0BA.jpeg2EC75CD9-CE01-4CD5-80FE-03B7C36A8C66.jpeg775093D2-25EA-41E4-91CB-57C5A22BDFF9.jpegC82BE610-2692-4E05-BCBA-61FFD2DB849E.jpeg08521EE8-CFAC-4E74-BCAB-DAA0D8967CA4.jpegF6944CFB-E65B-4CD3-A882-B11FDA6E4AE7.jpeg92FE44D7-2CD9-47D9-BCBB-8BBFBE98BD8A.jpeg
I no they are not all old but I love them all equal…

I started my nephew about 2 years ago. Mainly started with Swiss army’s but not he’s gotten quite the collection started for a 8 year old.. birthday Christmas and everytime o go to North Carolina we get him 1 maybe 2.. he will be passing me up.
 
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A week ago, this late 60s to mid-70s Randall Model 3-5 arrived. It is quickly growing on me, and has just enough visible wear/use that it’d be a joy to use.

The 3-5 is reputed to have been Bo Randall’s favorite model, though I’m not sure what was his favorite handle material. I really like the looks of the stag, but they use several natural and man-made materials.
 

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Interesting little knife that I got from work back in 1974. They had a box of them- hundreds. I wish I had grabbed a handful instead of just one. Here's what it says on the blade:
The Sanitary Knife Co.
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Pat'd. 12-4-17
I used it in my tool box for years, so it's a little beat up.
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Interesting little knife that I got from work back in 1974. They had a box of them- hundreds. I wish I had grabbed a handful instead of just one. Here's what it says on the blade:
The Sanitary Knife Co.
N.H. (New Haven?) CT
Pat'd. 12-4-17
I used it in my tool box for years, so it's a little beat up.
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Cool little knife! The original skeleton knife? I like the double-detente pivots--nearly as safe as a good lock blade.
 

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The 3 remaining wire jacks I have all have patent dates. One is a standard spear blade marked "WIRE JACK Pat. 9-21-26". A second wire Jack is marked "GEO. SCHRADE Pat. 9-21-26 BRIDGEPORT, CONN". and this has a hawkbill blade. The last wire jack I have is a folding fork marked "GEO, SCHRADE KNIFE CO, INC. PAT.-1-27-42 B'PORT CONN. U.S.A."
 
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Finally bought a Mike Silvey custom and glad I did. His knives are just increasing in value. The elk scales are great as is the sheath which came with it..He's on FB.
 

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Picked up at auction today another stockman pattern this one is JA Henckels 190 in stag. Used but solid.
 

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Hello GJ,

Does anyone know anything about this handle style on my family heirloom Cattaraugus 225Q knife here?

I haven’t been able to find any other versions which have steel and copper rings within the leather discs like this one. It appears to be missing a third washer on the pommel end?

Are replacement pommel caps available or do I need to fab one from scratch?

Thank you in advance!
 

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The handle is not factory. It's a so-called "theater knife". Many of the leather washers in the handles deteriorated and had to be replaced. Soldiers and sailors got creative about it, using whatever materials were on hand for new washers, and machines in shops in a maintenance depot or on ships to shape and finish them. Whoever in your family that knife belonged to during WWII "made" that handle or had it made for him by a buddy during the war, possibly afterward. It's a very special knife to have.

As for the pommel, it should have three (3) spacer pieces. You have the **** end, which is nice, and one of the others. The tang has been modified, though. They were not threaded. Looks like someone - your family member, apparently, since it's a heirloom piece - threaded the tang to secure the two spacers with that nut. Click here and go to post #2 to see other theater knives, and go to posts #3 through #8 for more info on the original pommel puzzle.
 
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Hello GJ,

Does anyone know anything about this handle style on my family heirloom Cattaraugus 225Q knife here?

I haven’t been able to find any other versions which have steel and copper rings within the leather discs like this one. It appears to be missing a third washer on the pommel end?

Are replacement pommel caps available or do I need to fab one from scratch?

Thank you in advance!

That grip is beautiful! And the blade is in amazing shape after all these years. Someone cared for that knife.
 
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That grip is beautiful! And the blade is in amazing shape…
Beerhippie is right! And so is Lugz…

Free advice being worth what you paid for it, think I’d keep the heirloom as is, as your ancestor left it. Theater knives are a complete and unique subset of collecting, and fairly in demand.

If you *really* want to work on, I’d buy a beater (with all 3 **** spacers) from eBay and take it apart.

Yes, I tend to be a purist, FWIW. YMMV.
 

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When I was a kid, I would hang out in military surplus stores. They had washtubs full of old military knives. Five dollars your choice. My uncle worked in a machine shop and he build many such knives as ALLFAST. During his lunch breaks he could rehandle and old military knife with scraps from his machine shop. He built many and gave them away as gifts. I collect US military knives and theater knives are almost impossible to verify. In my entire collection I can only document one authenic theater knife attributed to an Army Air Corp P-38 pilot that died in a training accident following the war.
 

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Lugz, BH,GPW, and 30-30,

Thank you all for your knowledge and time to reply. I most appreciate it ! I don’t recall this knife growing up, but I recently found it in my Dad’s stash.

My dad was career USMC, and was a combat engineer. This knife very well may have been his father’s, who was a USMC tank commander in WWII ( He was in “8 Ball” and was the first USMC tank on Iwo Jima)….Definitely a cool mystery.

I’ll be checking out the theatre knife links Lugz, and I’ll be buying a beater off the bay to get an appropriate third washer and the two square pins to clean up the pommel.

Thank you all again! Stay safe.
 
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