Not as impressive as a Tandy 1000Does a Commandore 64+ count for anything?
I still have my Osborne with 64k of ram and 2 floppy drives and then I upgraded to a kaypro with 512k of ram (still have that one too!)Does a Commandore 64+ count for anything?
In all fairness, while my very first computer class was on a DEC-10 mini, one of my later classes used a TRS-80 with an 8" floppy drive. Ahhhh... the good old days (not). On the plus side, it wasn't a cassette! Got my first job in IT just after the Tandy 1000 came out.Not as impressive as a Tandy 1000




Roger, you realize we're dating ourselves. Linda turned 77 last July. Jimmy Durante died 44 years ago (January 1980)Probably well among the last people you'd expect in a skit with Jimmy Durante..... Linda Ronstadt!
I know!So totally girlie.
Kay, I fit your description to a T. I learned machine coding on a 1401 and discovered I'm dyslexic when it comes to numbers. All of my errors were inverted numbers: 91 vs. 19. That was when I learned the bookkeeping trick for transposed numbers: the difference is always divisible by nine.It takes a certain kind of brain to be a programmer. The words broken, disturbed, crazy come to mind. The best way to learn to program is writing assembler or machine code. Then you realize exactly what a computer can do. Then, much like chess, you need to perform a vastly complex activity, with a defined result, using an artificially constrained set of potential tasks.
@gilr, the deadlines were never impossible. They were all based on the fact that human babies take nine months, software babies only take one -- you impregnate 9 women.Kay, you left out "writing the code with an impossible to meet deadline!"
@Wiz02, my customer was JC Penney and they used punched tags created on Kimball machines. Our 1401 inventory system had a prototype Kimball tag reader that had to read 2,000 tags a minute to meet their contract. The tags were read into the 1401 and converted to punch card format and output through the 1402 Card Punch machine. The Kimball tag reader suffered erratic catastrophic failures that turned out to be the fiberglass bucket the tags fell into. Once the static charge was enough to cross the gap to the machine, the lightning bolt would clear the core storage memory in the 1401. Fix was a ground strap attaching the bucket to the tag reader.That's how I started too.
At least paper tape was being phased on and only used for catastrophic recovery situations when I started programming.
Kay, my nightmares including shredding a critical punched card. The person in charge of the SAGE (Semi-Automatic Ground Environment) air defense program had to keep 62,500 cards in order. Just one out of sequence card would crash the system.I had bankers boxes full of paper tape. There was a policy that they needed to be reproduced every year, before they became too crumbly.

@Squankum, my 60-something children know who she and Jimmy were but I know none of their 9 children do.Bet the doc doesn't know who Linda Rondstadt is, either!
Roger, JC Penney had one print job that was huge. They had about 2,000 stores in 1965 and the company-wide inventory was printed out every 6 months. We installed the fastest 1403 printer IBM leased and did a two-day preventive maintenance routine on it before they started that job. It ran 24 hours a day for three days, stopping only to change paper and ribbons. If a sheet shredded in the middle of the run, the job had to be started over.My first program was in BASIC and was done on punch cards. I still have those cards.
In one class, we had to make a paper tape to control a line printer and, then, print out part of the manual for the DEC-10 and burst, trim, and collate. I watched a classmate loading the paper on the burster backwards. The trim knife was going to cut right through the middle of her report. I was going to say something until I saw the instructor watching with a smirk so I stopped. After she ran it and realized what happened, I told the instructor what I had seen, including his smirk. He grinned and said "She'll never do that again, right?"
@gilr - The deadlines were part of the fun....

Shorty, I never used one but I thought they did do simple ac-counting.Does a Commandore 64+ count for anything?


Got my nose fixed yesterday. My sinuses got messed up in my 1965 dance with the train. Had the worst side worked on in 1971 so this is round two. Signed a lot of papers last week at the doctor's office, typed a lot of answers in the outpatient surgical center's website and signed more papers at yesterday's check-in. More paperwork than our last house closing. Doctor's service charge almost matches the price of our first house.
I approved the following procedures:

I wrote a complex scheduling program that had a card deck that had to be brought in with a pallet mover. The data deck was significantly smaller. It was a proud day when I got my own removable disk pack.Kay, my nightmares including shredding a critical punched card. The person in charge of the SAGE (Semi-Automatic Ground Environment) air defense program had to keep 62,500 cards in order. Just one out of sequence card would crash the system.
@Squankum, looks like I need to upgrade our mask collection. The ones in the great room are pretty tame...


I was thinking more like the Bee Gees song.
Dan, it seems to be progressing nicely. I stopped taking Eliquis three days before and four days after the surgery so I'm not bleeding out. I do have a saline firehose that I'm supposed to use to flush out the blood clots -- GNARLY!Bob, I hope you heal quickly. I bet it will be nice to have the nose functioning as it should.
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Kay, I was always impressed by the operators who dealt with the huge card decks. My year with the Post Office taught me to handle pretty good size stacks of mail but nothing like those card decks. My sort and print program was a pretty small deck but the stack of branch office spare parts cards was more than ten times bigger.I wrote a complex scheduling program that had a card deck that had to be brought in with a pallet mover. The data deck was significantly smaller. It was a proud day when I got my own removable disk pack.
PS - glad you're better.
Scott, thanks for the kind words. I try to keep my nosybody tendencies just shy of prosecutable stalking.Bob, glad the sinus surgery went well. This place wouldn't be the same without you nosing around...
Hi John,Hi Bob,
Hope the honker heals quickly and is a success for you.
I can't get over that your wife could leave you there, any day surgery I have had, last was wisdom teeth a few years ago, someone had to be physically in the waiting room the whole time.
Steve, if that thing is meant to be driven on the road, it might need to be renamed Suicycle.
Thank you Joel!Bob, hope the healing goes quickly!
Jon, she's apparently still listening. Thanks for putting in a good word.Bob,
I prayed to our joint friend upstairs that you heal quickly, and have a good outcome.
Bret, I'm sure the prayers are working. I have a temporary reprieve from any task that involves bending over.Glad to hear everything went well. Prayers sent your way my friend.
Bret
Sometimes the witty retorts almost write themselves.I have a temporary reprieve from any task that involves bending over.
No drama if he had done that and he wasn't that organized or neat.The older engineer was an idiot. I had all my code decks index tagged. All my source data was indexed, and all my output decks were tagged by my programs. Drop the deck, or several at once, and a quick trip through the sorter, and all was well.
Main side effect is having only one detectable flavor at the moment -- unseasoned steak tartare.


You're right Scott!Sometimes the witty retorts almost write themselves.
@Wiz02, it was a different time. And what is this HR you speak of?@Bob Heine, so glad to hear that your recovery is going well.
Here's my punch card story. My first Engineering job was working for a process controls company that used DEC PDP 11s to control power plants, water treatment facilities etc.
The company hired quite a few green kids right out of college. One of my buddies was also a young guy and he loved playing practical jokes.
The engineers kept their card decks in cardboard boxes on their desks and when a program was updated, the old deck was thrown in the trash.
One of the middle aged engineers had a short fuse and didn't take kindly to practical jokes, so my friend was always doing something to annoy him.
After a new box of punch cards was placed on the middle aged engineer's desk when he was at a meeting, my friend took the new deck and hid it. He then pulled the old deck from the trash and put it back on the other guy's desk.
When the other guy got back from the meeting, my friend walks over to his desk, and starts mouthing off. My friend concludes the tirade by taking the box with the card deck and throwing it up in the air and of course cards go everywhere.
The other engineer thought that it was a joke, but after checking a few cards, he realized that they were from his project.
The guy turns beet red, grabs my friend by the neck and jacks him up against a building support column by the neck.
It took three of us a few minutes to pull him off my friend (probably because we were laughing so hard) and my friend was almost strangled.
I can't imagine what HR would do to everyone today.
PS we did return the new card deck.
Kay, as I recall a lot of folks just brought their deck(s) to the computer room and shoved it through the window. The 'operators' took over from there. You went back the next day and picked up the deck(s) and printouts.The older engineer was an idiot. I had all my code decks index tagged. All my source data was indexed, and all my output decks were tagged by my programs. Drop the deck, or several at once, and a quick trip through the sorter, and all was well.
@Wiz02, I bet he had nothing to do with the creation of the cards or most of the rest of the process.No drama if he had done that and he wasn't that organized or neat.
Dan, today I can taste salty.
Snort some onion powder and worcestershire sauce! YUM!Dan, today I can taste salty.


Oh, that's so cute! A deck you could carry by hand! Not since I was 16 did I own a deck that did not require a bankers box and a hand truck. Most of mine were kept in datacenter storage, either as cards or tape or removable pack. I actually did own a bunch of JCL-ECL-WFL-etc decks that were tiny, but they still required the other bone crushing decks to do anything.Kay, as I recall a lot of folks just brought their deck(s) to the computer room and shoved it through the window. The 'operators' took over from there. You went back the next day and picked up the deck(s) and printouts.
Bob, a tea spoon full of Coleman’s English Mustard, should get the taste buds going , if it doesn’t come out your nose first.Snort some onion powder and worcestershire sauce! YUM!
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Kay, my IBM career was odd because most of it didn't directly involve mainframes. At JC Penney I fixed keypunches, verifiers and sorters. I did get to hand carry a 100K core storage upgrade (their IBM 7010 mainframe had 60K memory and 24 tape drives) from the Port Authority bus terminal to the headquarters building at 1301 6th Avenue (sorry, Avenue of the Americas). At the IBM East Fishkill facility I wrote manuals for the chip and module manufacturing machines, which were mostly relay logic so the programs those engineers wrote were pretty crude. At the IBM Boca Raton facility I was in charge of some of the IBM Series/1 hardware and software manuals and eventually the IBM PC software manuals (my sincerest apologies for some of them).Oh, that's so cute! A deck you could carry by hand! Not since I was 16 did I own a deck that did not require a bankers box and a hand truck. Most of mine were kept in datacenter storage, either as cards or tape or removable pack. I actually did own a bunch of JCL-ECL-WFL-etc decks that were tiny, but they still required the other bone crushing decks to do anything.
Roger, I've been pleasantly surprised by the Florida Power and Light company's response in recent years. In 2005 hurricane Wilma took out the power for a huge number of Floridians. We were expecting ours to be out for several weeks, based on the rate they were fixing the damage. Luckily my neighbor worked for FP&L and he pulled a few strings because my 93-year-old mother fell out of bed in the dark and had no idea where she was (we brought her to our house from her second floor condo, knowing she'd be stranded without an elevator). Our power was restored in less than a week so my FEMA generator was barely broken in.@Bob Heine - Glad your power issue got resolved. A couple of years ago, we had a neutral jumper break off at the pole in our front yard. Was just dangling up there. Had a weird power flicker and some hum when it happened - about 8:30 in the evening. That pole feeds the run alongside our property line and serves houses on a couple of streets that all converge around us. SoCal Edison was right on top of it when we called and just put a new clamp on and we were all good-to-go. Probably 20 households affected.
Steve, I knew I should have saved that rusty tin of Coleman's from my mother's spice cabinet. I may have to give one of the other brands a try (fire extinguisher is there for a reason)...Bob, a tea spoon full of Coleman’s English Mustard, should get the taste buds going , if it doesn’t come out your nose first.
It’s the only thing to go on steak.
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That's new ECL. REAL ECL was the job control language for Univac/Sperry mainframes, it ran on the Supervisor series of OSs, IIRC.I like the Wikipedia entry for ECL:
"ECL was initially designed and developed in 2000 by David Bayliss as an in-house productivity tool within Seisint Inc and was considered to be a ‘secret weapon’ that allowed Seisint to gain market share in its data business. Equifax had an SQL [Structured Query Language]-based process for predicting who would go bankrupt in the next 30 days, but it took 26 days to run the data. The first ECL implementation solved the same problem in 6 minutes."
Based on his posts I believe Bob also wrote the operating manual for the Abacus.@Bob Heine , thanks for the trip down computing company memory lane. No apologies necessary on the PC manuals. I used them all the time back in the Cro-Magnon computing period.
I think you are the 2nd or 3rd thread I read in the past week or so that had half a leg not working. Why is it called a leg anyways?
My brother had one leg go bad in his neighborhood they lines are all buried. He had to have new cable installed and it had to be in a conduit, where the original was just buried wire. House is just about 20 years old. Glad your fix was relatively easy , except for the clocks needing to be reset.