Knipex Needle Nose Pliers

[MrMark]

I have a pair and there is no easier way to pull out pins than a pair of these as long as you have the room.

right tool for the job (388CF), or a bent nose cotter pin puller. The bent pullers are cheap and good quality available in Craftsman. Levering a needlenose is just stupid, no offense.

 

[Bolster]

I get them out faster with these.

Oooo! Oooo! Wrong tool for the job! Those dykes are not sold specifically as cotter pullers!

Just kidding, just having some fun with the guys who have OCD tendencies about "the right tool for the job."

 

[dankicksass]

I hate those things, I had a set for about 6 months and ended up selling them on ebay. Useless for me

Can I ask why you hate them? If I felt like they were essential, I'd already have them, but I want a 7in and 12in or at least a 10in for my mobile kit, limited tools in there have to do all the work they can and I'm against traditional adjustable wrenches, otherwise I'd have a couple Crescent USA made adj. in there.

 

[00S4Boy]

If he had straightened the cotter pin then tried to wiggle it out with the needle nose I would consider that an understandable use of the tool. The way it broke it looked like he was trying to pry the pin out with the pliers, I've done it but I agree it's the incorrect use for the tool.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

In my experience axle/hub nut cotter/split pins are pretty big so it's not really surprising that the pliers broke. I use a set of Snap-on long (really long) side cutters and they work fine for it. Best things i've found for pulling the pins so far. Sometimes i just cut the loop end off and use a punch to drive out the rest.

 

[mrholeshot]

Can I ask why you hate them? If I felt like they were essential, I'd already have them, but I want a 7in and 12in or at least a 10in for my mobile kit, limited tools in there have to do all the work they can and I'm against traditional adjustable wrenches, otherwise I'd have a couple Crescent USA made adj. in there.

I like using a wrench where I can and A adjustable where needed. Those thing don't hold worth ****. May as well grind the teeth off a pair of Channellocks. Just not my thing although other people seem to really like them.

 

[mrholeshot]

Oooo! Oooo! Wrong tool for the job! Those dykes are not sold specifically as cotter pullers!

Just kidding, just having some fun with the guys who have OCD tendencies about "the right tool for the job."

Not designed for it but it will get it done better than anything else.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Stuff..

Every time i see your username i read it as something else. Something much different to what it actually is..

I like using a wrench where I can and A adjustable where needed. Those thing don't hold worth ****. May as well grind the teeth off a pair of Channellocks. Just not my thing although other people seem to really like them.

When they work they're great. I have a pair and at the right times they're awesome. Other times they're useless. They're like a pipe wrench though, you need to pull them towards you. They don't work otherwise.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

Not designed for it but it will get it done better than anything else.

Snap-on reccomend using some of their side cutters for pulling cotter pins in their catalogue. Just looked it up, page 467.

 

[mrholeshot]

Every time i see your username i read it as something else. Something much different to what it actually is..



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hahahaha!!!!!! I'm releived I wasn't the only one. I have to do a doubletake almost each time I see it. Like doing the word jumble

 

[Moose-LandTran]

hahahaha!!!!!! I'm releived I wasn't the only one.

You and me both!

 

[comedyman809]

not for noting, but, dykes do get the cotter pin out because it grabs just under the head, and you pull.

just dont use too much pressure on the cutters.

 

[Monte]

I wonder if there is someone else in the world other than me who uses a screwdriver to straighten the cotter pin, then cut the "legs" off and then use a pin punch and a hammer to punch them out ?? ?

 

[00S4Boy]

I wonder if there is someone else in the world other than me who uses a screwdriver to straighten the cotter pin, then cut the "legs" off and then use a pin punch and a hammer to punch them out ?? ?

I only go to the punch and hammer method if the ****'s don't work.

 

[dankicksass]

I'm pleased you guys are enjoying my word jumble. I tried to get "Dan" but I was a few years too late to the internet I'm afraid. You do make a good point, mrholeshot, for the cost of one Knipex pliers wrench I could buy myself something nice and still have room left over for a Channellock 415 smooth jaw or Irwin China's smooth jaw Cobra clone.

 

[2chipped]

I use these for nails and cotter keys

 

[dede2897234]

Besides side cutters, is it possible to use center cutters like these to pull cotter pins out:
http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1367&groupID=1479? If not, what is the reason?


Thanks,

Dave

 

[MrMark]

I like using a wrench where I can and A adjustable where needed. Those thing don't hold worth ****. May as well grind the teeth off a pair of Channellocks. Just not my thing although other people seem to really like them.

True, they don't hold worth a damn. I don't know why they are so popular on here. Monte did make a convincing presentation of their merit but I still maintain that they are kind of like vise grips if you know what I mean. I see them as good on chrome bathroom fixtures and maybe great for a plumber and certainly great for a handyman type. Other than that . . .

I never use mine.

 

[MattT]

Besides side cutters, is it possible to use center cutters like these to pull cotter pins out:
http://www.knipex.com/index.php?id=1216&L=1&page=group_detail&parentID=1367&groupID=1479? If not, what is the reason?

Problem with those is the cutter grind probably wouldn't allow you to grab the loop of the pin. If you already own a pair you could try 'em but I definitely wouldn't buy a pair for removing pins.

 

[back2class]

yeah, in my tool hording I have come in posession of 2 snap-on cotter pin rmoval tools. Just sold them as I agree a sidecutter or linesman plier is better unless access is limited, then I used a Mayhew pick. Now I agree, the very tip of a needle nose is pretty stupid. Could be 3 things! The user is not very experienced and does not have good "feel" for when something is being pushed too hard and will break, or Knipex was defective, or the OP has been using **** tools and expected it to just bend and not snap.

My guess is these are quite hardened to do the job they were designed for better and the OP just learned ya can't do that with Knipex needlenose. We all make mistakes.

 

[Moose-LandTran]

I wonder if there is someone else in the world other than me who uses a screwdriver to straighten the cotter pin, then cut the "legs" off and then use a pin punch and a hammer to punch them out ?? ?

I do that sometimes too. Or use pliers to strighten them out. Sometimes i even drill them out.. Ahh.. rust.. what fun..

 

[mrholeshot]

I wonder if there is someone else in the world other than me who uses a screwdriver to straighten the cotter pin, then cut the "legs" off and then use a pin punch and a hammer to punch them out ?? ?

Flat rate technicians don't have the luxury of time. Even when I had my own shop I worked out in the shop like my flat rate techs did. If the boss can knock out a brake job in 20 minutes my techs always tried to beat my times. My techs busted **** until Thursday and just cruised on Friday. When you are on flat rate you find every way to make every move count in some way while keeping the quality in your work. Every step you don't have to take and every move you don't have to do makes you more money.

 

[Monte]

Luckily I´m only a flat rate hobbyist so i have the time to do it the right way


Instructions for hobbyists with time for removing cotter pins without damaging tools :

Tools used:
large flat hex blade screwdriver
cutting pliers
3mm pin punch
300 gram hammer


cotter pin

bend straight

cut flush

drive the pin out

tools used

 

[caper]

If you tried that in Cape Breton you'd destroy that pin punch in about 30 seconds.Standard for pins to be seized in the balljoints here.No way in hell a little pin punch will move them.Common practice for us to heat the pin with a torch to break the rust free.Most cars we just spin the nuts off and drill the remains of the pin out if we're reusing the balljoint.Way faster than screwing with them.

 

[dsan]

Needle nose pliers used to remove a cotter pin and this is what happened:

 

[speed bump]

This thread is retarded. I have at least 3 or 4 different cotter pin removers and on long cotter pins you can't always pull them out before you run out of leverage. So you slide a set of needle nose pliers in the end and pull it out. I suppose I could use needle nose vice grips but my Craftsman needle nose pliers work apparently unlike Knipex ones.

BTW for everyone what do you do when it costs $50+ a minute and the right tool is 500 ft and two flights of stairs away if not 300 miles away? Stop and complain that you don't have the right tool or grab whatever you can to get the job done?

 

[Seanbev24]

This thread is retarded. I have at least 3 or 4 different cotter pin removers and on long cotter pins you can't always pull them out before you run out of leverage. So you slide a set of needle nose pliers in the end and pull it out. I suppose I could use needle nose vice grips but my Craftsman needle nose pliers work apparently unlike Knipex ones.

BTW for everyone what do you do when it costs $50+ a minute and the right tool is 500 ft and two flights of stairs away if not 300 miles away? Stop and complain that you don't have the right tool or grab whatever you can to get the job done?

Dykes are perfect for long cotter pins too. Plus, if you cut the legs flush, there is no such thing as a "long" cotter pin in any automotive application I've seen.

I have a at least 1 pair of dykes in every toolbox, tool cart, road box I own. If I'm working on a car, they're close by.

If for some reason I don't have them, and I was to break a pair of needlenose pulling a cotter pin, I wouldn't ***** because it's my own damn fault.

 

[Vinko]

makes me wonder, pulling it out, or prying it out?

Exactly. I'd have to see exactly what the specs of the pin were, how (and if) they were being pried, etc. before I judged whether this is "pathetic" as someone above said.

 

[mrholeshot]

Luckily I´m only a flat rate hobbyist so i have the time to do it the right way

So pulling the cotter right out is the wrong way? Plus that a screwdriver wasn't designed for that. Not only is your method slow but makes you more prone to injury.

 

[z28snksknr]

This thread is retarded. I have at least 3 or 4 different cotter pin removers and on long cotter pins you can't always pull them out before you run out of leverage. So you slide a set of needle nose pliers in the end and pull it out. I suppose I could use needle nose vice grips but my Craftsman needle nose pliers work apparently unlike Knipex ones.

BTW for everyone what do you do when it costs $50+ a minute and the right tool is 500 ft and two flights of stairs away if not 300 miles away? Stop and complain that you don't have the right tool or grab whatever you can to get the job done?

... and for 1/2 the cost and 80% less pomposity.

And I'm not sure the job requires 4 different tools to be "done the right way". Occam's Razor suggests a simpler approach is usually a better one.

 

[Bolster]

... and for 1/2 the cost and 80% less pomposity.

And I'm not sure the job requires 4 different tools to be "done the right way". Occam's Razor suggests a simpler approach is usually a better one.

Thank you! I was trying to figure out how to say just that.

Occam shaves again!

 

[Seanbev24]

... and for 1/2 the cost and 80% less pomposity.

And I'm not sure the job requires 4 different tools to be "done the right way". Occam's Razor suggests a simpler approach is usually a better one.

1 pair of dykes. SnapOn, HF, Knipex, Craftsman. It doesn't matter the brand. Either one, cheap or "pompous", works better than needlenose pliers.

 

[Art From De Leon]

If you tried that in Cape Breton you'd destroy that pin punch in about 30 seconds.Standard for pins to be seized in the balljoints here.No way in hell a little pin punch will move them.Common practice for us to heat the pin with a torch to break the rust free.Most cars we just spin the nuts off and drill the remains of the pin out if we're reusing the balljoint.Way faster than screwing with them.

That is the fastest way for tie rod ends and ball joints. You are replacing them anyway, so why put a lot of time into trying to remove the cotter key?

 

[Danglerb]

This is pretty simple, no need to worry about whats right or who did what.

When any tool breaks, its either a defect in the tool, or operator error.
Maybe you got a rare bad pair of pliers.
Maybe Knipex quality *** has gone down the toilet.
Maybe the pliers were used improperly.
Without examining the pliers that's all we know. Seems to me all three areas have been speculated on fairly. I've seen too many needle nose pliers with broken tips in junk tool bins not to suspect that one jaw was slipped into the eye and the pliers were bent over something to pry the pin out.

Am I the only one here with more than one set of specialty pliers that I would thump somebodies head if I caught them using them like a regular set of pliers?

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[caper]

WTF.**** breaks,whether by material defect or stupidity,send it for warranty.