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Treated lumber tool stand
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mrholeshot
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If it's going to be inside I would get untreaded and stain and Poly it.
mrholeshot
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Not sure how the treated wood will react. It's naturally damp and seems it would cause rust. a 4X4 is cheap
Stuart in MN
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I'd find another piece of wood. The 4x4 you have may well be corrosive to the tools, depending on what grade of treated wood it is and how old it is (the chemical content was modified a few years ago.) Some of the latest types of treated wood require stainless steel nails, they'll eat galvanized nails away to nothing in a matter of months.
Bolster
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I thought treated wood meant arsenic. It doesn't?
I thought treated wood meant arsenic. It doesn't?
I keep hearing the 'Treated wood has arsenic' thing...
Does everyone realize you would have to eat like 20 board feet of it to get enough arsenic in you to actually get mildly ill from it!
redneckprofessor
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I thought treated wood meant arsenic. It doesn't?
Not anymore. EPA banned it in 2003.
http://www.afhh.org/hhe/hhe_arsenic.htm
Bolster
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Well I'll be darned, I did not know that:
In March 2003, EPA finalized a voluntary agreement with preservative manufacturers to ban the production of CCA-treated wood for most residential uses as of December 31, 2003. However, the ban does not prohibit the sale of CCA-treated wood produced prior to December 31, 2003, nor does the measure address existing structures. With regard to retail sales, a warning label must be displayed in locations where CCA-treated wood is sold. The EPA has also removed chromated copper arsenate from its list of approved chemical pesticides.
I don't know squat about treated wood, I just know my contractor tells me to wear a mask when cutting it.
I do know that arsenic is a naturally occurring substance and exists at natural levels in the water we drink. George W Bush did some health initiative to reduce arsenic levels in water by 80%, to 10 ppb, and he got shellac'ed by his opposition for not mandating 0 parts per billion (a virtual impossibility). If you google it, you'll see most commentary spinning it like GWB was mandating that arsenic be added to the water! LOL, those were strange times. Now that GWB isn't president anymore, nobody cares how much arsenic's in the water, apparently.
In March 2003, EPA finalized a voluntary agreement with preservative manufacturers to ban the production of CCA-treated wood for most residential uses as of December 31, 2003. However, the ban does not prohibit the sale of CCA-treated wood produced prior to December 31, 2003, nor does the measure address existing structures. With regard to retail sales, a warning label must be displayed in locations where CCA-treated wood is sold. The EPA has also removed chromated copper arsenate from its list of approved chemical pesticides.
I don't know squat about treated wood, I just know my contractor tells me to wear a mask when cutting it.
I do know that arsenic is a naturally occurring substance and exists at natural levels in the water we drink. George W Bush did some health initiative to reduce arsenic levels in water by 80%, to 10 ppb, and he got shellac'ed by his opposition for not mandating 0 parts per billion (a virtual impossibility). If you google it, you'll see most commentary spinning it like GWB was mandating that arsenic be added to the water! LOL, those were strange times. Now that GWB isn't president anymore, nobody cares how much arsenic's in the water, apparently.
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MrMark
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I'm thinking of making a small screwdriver stand out of some scrap lumber.
I've got a nice piece of treated 4x4 that would work.
Would the treated wood would be corrosive to the tools over time?
Thanks
uh, . . . YEAH!
That is why you are not supposed to use regular wire nails with pressure treated lumber. It is extremely corrosive. Forget it. There is a little flyer right next to the wood at home depot that gives the corrosion warnings. It is nasty stuff too. Now, it is a copper based preservative, and it is still no good for your health.
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MrMark
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I'd find another piece of wood. The 4x4 you have may well be corrosive to the tools, depending on what grade of treated wood it is and how old it is (the chemical content was modified a few years ago.) Some of the latest types of treated wood require stainless steel nails, they'll eat galvanized nails away to nothing in a matter of months.
Yes, I see someone beat me to it.
comedyman809
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a little excerpt from wikipedia:
The toxicity of arsenic to insects, bacteria, and fungi led to its use as a wood preservative. In the 1950s a process of treating wood with chromated copper arsenate (also known as CCA or Tanalith) was invented, and for decades this treatment was the most extensive industrial use of arsenic. Due to an increased understanding of arsenic's high level of toxicity, most countries banned the use of CCA in consumer products. The European Union and United States led this ban, beginning in 2004.[21][22]
As of 2002, US-based industries consumed 19,600 metric tons of arsenic. 90% of this was used for treatment of wood with CCA. In 2007, 50% of the 5,280 metric tons of consumption was still used for this purpose.[19][23] In the United States, the use of arsenic in consumer products was discontinued for residential and general consumer construction on December 31, 2003 and alternative chemicals are now used, such as Alkaline Copper Quaternary, borates, copper azole, cyproconazole, and propiconazole.[24]
Although discontinued, this application is also one of the most concern to the general public. The vast majority of older pressure-treated wood was treated with CCA. CCA lumber is still in widespread use in many countries, and was heavily used during the latter half of the 20th century as a structural and outdoor building material. Although the use of CCA lumber was banned in many areas after studies showed that arsenic could leach out of the wood into the surrounding soil (from playground equipment, for instance), a risk is also presented by the burning of older CCA timber. The direct or indirect ingestion of wood ash from burnt CCA lumber has caused fatalities in animals and serious poisonings in humans; the lethal human dose is approximately 20 grams of ash. Scrap CCA lumber from construction and demolition sites may be inadvertently used in commercial and domestic fires. Protocols for safe disposal of CCA lumber do not exist evenly throughout the world; there is also concern in some quarters about the widespread landfill disposal of such timber
sounds like it is still dangerous because of some structures that are still around that may have prior to 2004.
The toxicity of arsenic to insects, bacteria, and fungi led to its use as a wood preservative. In the 1950s a process of treating wood with chromated copper arsenate (also known as CCA or Tanalith) was invented, and for decades this treatment was the most extensive industrial use of arsenic. Due to an increased understanding of arsenic's high level of toxicity, most countries banned the use of CCA in consumer products. The European Union and United States led this ban, beginning in 2004.[21][22]
As of 2002, US-based industries consumed 19,600 metric tons of arsenic. 90% of this was used for treatment of wood with CCA. In 2007, 50% of the 5,280 metric tons of consumption was still used for this purpose.[19][23] In the United States, the use of arsenic in consumer products was discontinued for residential and general consumer construction on December 31, 2003 and alternative chemicals are now used, such as Alkaline Copper Quaternary, borates, copper azole, cyproconazole, and propiconazole.[24]
Although discontinued, this application is also one of the most concern to the general public. The vast majority of older pressure-treated wood was treated with CCA. CCA lumber is still in widespread use in many countries, and was heavily used during the latter half of the 20th century as a structural and outdoor building material. Although the use of CCA lumber was banned in many areas after studies showed that arsenic could leach out of the wood into the surrounding soil (from playground equipment, for instance), a risk is also presented by the burning of older CCA timber. The direct or indirect ingestion of wood ash from burnt CCA lumber has caused fatalities in animals and serious poisonings in humans; the lethal human dose is approximately 20 grams of ash. Scrap CCA lumber from construction and demolition sites may be inadvertently used in commercial and domestic fires. Protocols for safe disposal of CCA lumber do not exist evenly throughout the world; there is also concern in some quarters about the widespread landfill disposal of such timber
sounds like it is still dangerous because of some structures that are still around that may have prior to 2004.
...I do know that arsenic is a naturally occurring substance...
Makes you stop and think when you see something being touted as containing "all natural ingredients", doesn't it?
Garage_Mahal
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And the scare-mongers had thousands of expensive pressure-treated playgrounds chopped down for what was essentially no risk to the kids. I suspect manufacturers of the now ubiquitous plastic and metal playground equipment were behind that scam.