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dannyr

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dannyr: Try reducing the size of the page. That's usually the problem with uploading.

p.s. I think Parkinson spelt/spelled it 'vise'.
I'll try later -- strangely, I'd already resized to under 1M jpeg. and sent the same file elsewhere OK, but gj just didn't want that page - (just woodworking and English prices so no great loss)

old man J Parkinson used 'vice', but when the sons came into the business J Parkinson and Sons used 'vise' - so the two favourite Parkys I have are 'vices' - it suggests made before about 1895
 
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jerryd67

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Needing some help from the Vise experts on this page. I bought a vise last weekend at an auction...seemed to be in decent shape, and I didn't pay a lot for it. Here's my dilemma...it's marked as a Columbian No. 504 vise, but it doesn't look like ANY of the other Columbian 504 vises I'm seeing online. Doesn't have the roundish base, doesn't have the same shape jaws (not t-slot), and doesn't have the same shape spindle (more meatball type than cylindrical). Markings on the vise are "Columbian Cleveland No-504 4-in" on one side, and "Pat Apld For" on the other. What the heck do I have?
 

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How about that Paramo DP12. 12” jaws opens to 15” and weights 270 lbs. thrust bearings for tightening. Love to see one of these Vice’s.
The chart is a little wonky, but 406 lbs for the swivel base version?!?! That is one heck of a swivel base...136 lbs by itself!!!
 

dct55

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Needing some help from the Vise experts on this page. I bought a vise last weekend at an auction...seemed to be in decent shape, and I didn't pay a lot for it. Here's my dilemma...it's marked as a Columbian No. 504 vise, but it doesn't look like ANY of the other Columbian 504 vises I'm seeing online. Doesn't have the roundish base, doesn't have the same shape jaws (not t-slot), and doesn't have the same shape spindle (more meatball type than cylindrical). Markings on the vise are "Columbian Cleveland No-504 4-in" on one side, and "Pat Apld For" on the other. What the heck do I have?
I believe this is a pre 1920 Columbian. I have a 4 1/2" similar vise, lacking the patent applied for markings. Someone may be able to use that to pin the manufacture date down closer.
 

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This is a 2” Prentiss jeweler’s vise that bears a second look. While not in pristine condition, it’s nonetheless rare, and I always jump at the opportunity to be illuminated about the various manufacturing changes that Prentiss implemented. To that end, a few notes…

1) On Prentiss vises specifically (and many other brands as well), you’ll notice a STAIR-STEPPING on either side of the static jaw…the front step standing proud of the back step (ex. it’s often on the front step that Prentiss and other manufacturers cast their name). Prior to their last design change in the 1940s, the only vises in Prentiss’ main line that did NOT have this stair-stepping were 2” jewelers and 1¾” watchmakers vises. Instead, you’ll notice that 99.9% of these smaller Prentiss vises have a FLAT horizon on either side. However, this was NOT how the 2” jewelers vises were first advertised. In their 1882 catalog (see pictures), Prentiss depicts both the stationary and swivel base 2” jewelers vises WITH the stair-stepping. Given the rarity of 2” Prentiss vises with this feature, I can only assume that the company switched to the flat sides early on even though they continued to use the same depiction in their catalogues until 1917. This puzzles me, however. It would seem that the thicker walls of the front step provide a desirable increase in strength, especially given how incredibly thin the walls already are after machining out the slot for the swivel jaw. A mystery to ponder.

2) Not only is the spindle nut BRONZE (a feature that I’ve seldom seen on other Prentiss vises and one that I’ve never seen advertised by Prentiss), but it’s also “TRAPPED” inside the casting of the vise. As you can see from the pictures, the nut isn’t secured by the traditional pin jutting up against its rear through the base, but instead it’s surrounded on all sides by the casting itself. Once again, this is design choice (and a very early one, I believe) that I’ve never seen referenced in Prentiss advertisements. It makes complete sense that Prentiss would’ve left this design in the dust given the probability of users needing to eventually replace a broken or worn out nut and to do so with ease. A trapped nut design like this would’ve prevented a simple replacement.

3) Incredibly, the jaws are DUAL-USE, and they appear to be so from the factory. One side of each jaw has been crosshatched, and the other side is smooth. The jaws themselves are flush and true, so the dual-purpose nature doesn’t appear to be an aftermarket adaptation. Given that these vises could be ordered with either rough-cut or smooth jaws (per Prentiss’ 1882 catalog), I believe that these jaws were a special order.

4) I only know of two other 2” Prentiss vises in this style - One is a swivel base version with no markings, and the other is a broken stationary version with the “Prentiss Vise Co - NY” stamp. This vise has not even the faintest hint of a stamp anywhere, and taking into account the early design features of the vise as well as the rarely-seen ball-topped swivel jaw pin, I tend to believe that this is a very, very early Prentiss vise. And to top it all off, the holes in the feet happen to fit my one-of-a-kind, factory-original Prentiss swivel base PERFECTLY!
 

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micahd1997

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Here are some comparison pictures of the more common flat sides on a Prentiss jeweler’s vise vs the stair-stepping on the early style.

Additionally, you can see the clear difference in thickness between the walls on both, especially near the cut out for the chin of the swivel jaw.
 

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skmbabon

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While it’s not a craftsman it’s pretty close.
It sounds like you may already know this, but at least here in Canada "Fuller" supplanted "Craftsman" for some tool lines at Sears Canada a few years before they went under. I remember taking in a small broken Craftsman C-clamp and being surprised when it was replaced with a Fuller model.
Fuller isn't a company I've researched intensively yet. They were based in Montreal, then moved HQ to the US. I think their earlier vises were made in Japan, then later in China. If you dig into the threads about Craftsman vises made in Japan there is info about foundry marks, and I think some references to Fuller models made in the same foundries, but I may have that wrong so don't count on it.

Nice job, both vises look great!
 

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Last batch of baby and toddler Wilton bullet vises along with 7 Pow-R-Arm Jr workholders. I think I am done with refurbishing vises - at least for a while.
 

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Mr. Wonderful

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It sounds like you may already know this, but at least here in Canada "Fuller" supplanted "Craftsman" for some tool lines at Sears Canada a few years before they went under. I remember taking in a small broken Craftsman C-clamp and being surprised when it was replaced with a Fuller model.
Fuller isn't a company I've researched intensively yet. They were based in Montreal, then moved HQ to the US. I think their earlier vises were made in Japan, then later in China. If you dig into the threads about Craftsman vises made in Japan there is info about foundry marks, and I think some references to Fuller models made in the same foundries, but I may have that wrong so don't count on it.

Nice job, both vises look great!
Thanks for the info! I thought Fuller was just a cheaper brand sold by sears. I had no idea it was a Canadian model. I don’t remember a foundry mark but it does say Japan on the bottom of the swivel base.

Similarly the Samson line from sears I was told was the same as the rock island vises. I’d be inclined to agree although the swivel base is different on the Samson.
 
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colmal

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jim: You have a 'Hold Fast Combination Pipe Vise'. Here's a page from Parker's 1912 catalog.
I just want to see some more vices, to see what else you have to add,

Super impressed with your library, and how you organise it so it's useful.
 

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colmol: This was quite a coincidence and I should be thanking jim. Just yesterday I spotted one of those vises in this 1911 Parker ad. I wanted to find out more about it but I didn't have a model number. As soon as I saw jim's post I was able to quickly find it in a catalog. Amazing coincidence.
 

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colmal

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colmol: This was quite a coincidence and I should be thanking jim. Just yesterday I spotted one of those vises in this 1911 Parker ad. I wanted to find out more about it but I didn't have a model number. As soon as I saw jim's post I was able to quickly find it in a catalog. Amazing coincidence.
I can see Dawns 1960's version in it.
 

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Wish there were more people around that knew Aus vices, it 's treasure trove of info here.

I try to include as much information as I possibly can in the LIST. Unfortunately, information on Australian manufacturers doesn't seem to be overly-abundant.

This site seems to be the one offering the most information:

I don't know if they focus on vises at all.
There is a member here who has compiled a list of vise manufacturers and models.
datamp.org steward Carl Matthews has also compiled a list, attached here:
 

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colmal

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I try to include as much information as I possibly can in the LIST. Unfortunately, information on Australian manufacturers doesn't seem to be overly-abundant.

This site seems to be the one offering the most information:

I don't know if they focus on vises at all.
There is a member here who has compiled a list of vise manufacturers and models.
datamp.org steward Carl Matthews has also compiled a list, attached here:
There is a couple of sites around, but nothing as good as this one.

I'm learning all the time and still have more to add on some Aussie stuff, learning is the keyword thou - The HTPAA I have contacts with, but they don't seem to have much depth with vices.

The Author on this site would be best info- https://motofaction.org/tool-review...ools-vice-history-company-information-coburg/
 
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I recently found this Reed 102 1/2 at a local antique store for $25, so it went home with me.
 

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Small Vises from Big Name Makers Series
PARKER #33 1/2
Not much is known about this model but it is on the Spreadsheet.
Triangular base and no Parker collar.
Jaw's 3.5" Opens to 3"
I just found these two pages from a 1948 Prentiss catalog. The Prentiss #73 1/2 looked familiar, in fact, it looked exactly like the Parker #33 1/2. The last page of the catalog explained why. Prentiss was then a division of Parker.
 

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Around 2012 there was industrial supply house in Los Angeles that still had NIB Cole drills forsale for $115. They also have NIB matching Cole #11 vises for a bit more. Foolishly, I only bought the drill. I ran into a forsale ad for a Cole vise this last weekend and finally redeemed myself. They are a lot larger than you would expect for a vise with 3.5“ jaws. But they do weigh about 60 lbs. Price was $75. Really just needs to be oiled.

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I just got this vice from uncle's estate and I'm curious if anyone recognizes it. There are no markings that I can find. It is approximately 22" long with 6" wide jaws and weighs around 100 lbs. I also find it odd that there is no method of securing it to a bench or table. Any information you guys can share about this vice would be appreciated. 20241008_223825.jpg20241008_223844.jpg20241008_223912.jpg
 

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zef: You're a lucky guy. It looks like you have some model of either a Backus or a Union vise. They're actually the same company because one of them bought the other. I think Backus bought Union. Look on the bottom to see if there is a threaded hole for the mounting post.

Q. S. Backus stands for Quimby Silas Backus, which sounds like some kind of incantation.
 

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2 others in same site

Unlike a few here, I need a Brand or more detail to discover what they are

Screenshot 2024-10-10 181115.png1728545469301.png1728545494146.png1728545531432.png Really **** descriptions, photos on all his vices/tools
Have bought some spanners from him before but not real impressed - but would buy again for the right item - like the above as I basically just enjoy bringing them back exploring there history and gives me something to do. the above is good price,

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