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This is elsewhere which started me looking around, can't find anything about the brand and would think It's Taiwanese/China just cause of the name-but appears better built/older
Can't weigh much as postage low-can get more info dealt with seller before and is good.
Can't weigh much as postage low-can get more info dealt with seller before and is good.dannyr
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very similar by Millers Falls USA and Marples UK about 1950s? - usually red and black paintThis is elsewhere which started me looking around, can't find anything about the brand and would think It's Taiwanese/China just cause of the name-but appears better built/older
The rounded handle ends are not common so could be at least that old-have a faint thought on where I came across something similar but can't quite grasp it.
LOL, just checked the listing for a closer look at handle end, they seem really rounded, me likey and seller had another less $10 offer, just going to buy it ($25),
Think i've seen those screw pad on a British vice, don't know will give me a another vice to do differently at worst.
CRSINMICH
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colmal: dannyr is correct. It does look like a Millers Falls/Marples. Goodell-Pratt is credited with developing that style.
The smaller clamp-on with patent date is a Colton patent vice. They're cool and collectible. I think some of the earlier models had H or H&B on them for Hayden & Barnes. They're even more collectible.
I like the vice that only has 2 embossed on it. I have never noticed a clamp-on with a slide like that but I think I've seen full size vices that did. It does look like it might have been repaired. The area where the side meets the base looks like a weld seam. If it wasn't too expensive I think I'd buy it anyway.
The smaller clamp-on with patent date is a Colton patent vice. They're cool and collectible. I think some of the earlier models had H or H&B on them for Hayden & Barnes. They're even more collectible.
I like the vice that only has 2 embossed on it. I have never noticed a clamp-on with a slide like that but I think I've seen full size vices that did. It does look like it might have been repaired. The area where the side meets the base looks like a weld seam. If it wasn't too expensive I think I'd buy it anyway.
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The Goodall -Pratt is where I saw something last week-that has jogged my memory-Thankyou
Yeah like the 2" as well, similar to Stanley victor type but with no anvil-like the enclosed thread. Pretty close to buying that one if seller doesn't annoy me, but will try to do a deal with One or 2 of the other ones.
Patent date one is really unusual- hmmm
Yeah like the 2" as well, similar to Stanley victor type but with no anvil-like the enclosed thread. Pretty close to buying that one if seller doesn't annoy me, but will try to do a deal with One or 2 of the other ones.
Patent date one is really unusual- hmmm
I checked out a similar one a few months ago, that had a even worse weld seem, I'll have a look to see if it is still around, won't buy it but kinda interesting if 2 the same are welded, may buy this one thou.
Ah, this is where i saw a similar one a few months ago, wants $50 for the 2 thou, don't mind the condition, just thought it was at least $10 too much.This is elsewhere which started me looking around, can't find anything about the brand and would think It's Taiwanese/China just cause of the name-but appears better built/older
Still for sale
Outlawmws
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Not sure on this one as the angles are bad, but may be a Colton patent vise with the June 1815 patent date.
This on looks to be a welded repair of something similar to a Stanley clamp on. See if any markings on top of the slide's tail.
Jaws I i/8 - not seen a curved guide area before either.
This one is a Colton patent vise, they made them generally smaller, and most are clamp on. Often patent info on the arch above the rounded slide.
Outlawmws
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Those double rod slide vises are fairly common and were made by everyone just about as a hobby vise. Millers Falls, Goodell Pratt, and many others as well as a lot of Asian imports.
I meant to mention the "2" on the one vise - besides Stanely there were German imports very similar in the 30's
I meant to mention the "2" on the one vise - besides Stanely there were German imports very similar in the 30's
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We seemed to have more English, which makes sense-Marples ... similar setup, have seen a couple of German, and a lot of unbranded, a Few Stanleys as well _ the 2" had come across another one, but weld was even worse.
And don't really like the Double rod, have a Columbian(box had US, but a hidden sticker with China on vise )that annoys me (circa early 2000's was NOS, but still needed a lot of greasing /sanding/filing to work poorly.)
Will see how the one above ends up but, more interested in the Stanley covered screw type and the Colton types above.
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CHAMPION No.3
Champion Blower and Forge
Opens to 3"
16 lbs.
This is one of the few bench vise models from Champion Blower and Forge. With fancy script lettering, it's a nice addition to my Homeowners Garage Vise sub-collection. There are a few quirks though. The "corrugated base" requires a very non-standard lock down screw. The removeable pipe jaws are also not standard. They each have a raised rib on the back. Both the dynamic and the static jaws have a boss against which the pipe jaw ribs will ride. The lock down screw, the ribbed pipe jaws, and the embossed front and back jaws all required extra designing, casting, and machining - all of which cost extra time and money; all for a style of vise that was standard and common.
* This particular vise looks like it has Parker style jaw faces. They are actually standard rectangular faces but, through the magic of masking before painting, I gave them the distinctive Parker look. Don't be fooled.
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Outlawmws
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looks like it needs to be mounted near a Coke Fridge. Came up nicely.
KMScott
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How do you blend the tops of the jaws? I can see myself making a mess with the belt sander!
KMScott
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First I use a Mold Making skill by stepping off the radius on my Bridgeport ( I created the geometry on my cad system) then I use a 36 grit 4-1/2” sanding disc to rough it down to the steps that were cut on the mill. Finish up with a hook and loop scotch brite pads on my 4-1/2” angle grinder. Belt sanders are to un controlling in my opinion.
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Damn, I was going to pull my head in this week, bought a couple of vices some tools/catalogues and a toolset.
But damn, really like this, haven't got a Record as don't like them, but think I'll make an exception for this one, seller mentions 1930's(?) 2 1/4" jaws.
But damn, really like this, haven't got a Record as don't like them, but think I'll make an exception for this one, seller mentions 1930's(?) 2 1/4" jaws.
Did some research, seems to be conflicting info on whether this is a later or earlier version- 1933 - 1982, probably a bit over priced, but how do you quantify condition ? better than anything else I've seen, original paint. Only been listed a few hours and a bit of interest in it, could get it a bit cheaper maybe. Hmmm
So I applied the one true measure, do I want it - well yes, like the handle which appears to be less common, the condition and would be a excellent little Brother to my Dawn, also an original paint example.
So I bought it
So I applied the one true measure, do I want it - well yes, like the handle which appears to be less common, the condition and would be a excellent little Brother to my Dawn, also an original paint example.
So I bought it
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Yep, happy about that, glad I didn't stuff around with offers and risk someone else buying, I have bought from him before and he was good and did accept my offer on other items,Did some research, seems to be conflicting info on whether this is a later or earlier version- 1933 - 1982, probably a bit over priced, but how do you quantify condition ? better than anything else I've seen, original paint. Only been listed a few hours and a bit of interest in it, could get it a bit cheaper maybe. Hmmm
So I applied the one true measure, do I want it - well yes, like the handle which appears to be less common, the condition and would be a excellent little Brother to my Dawn, also an original paint example.
So I bought it
Soon as I saw he had posted, (7.30am here), felt right, that's usually my 'grouse level" for a bought items. 5 and and half hours to find, research, pay and get posted
- (couldn't sleep)Dave600
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Your 4 inch Dawn with the undermount post thru mount system and cover over the rail out the back looks just like the Record 74.Yep, happy about that, glad I didn't stuff around with offers and risk someone else buying, I have bought from him before and he was good and did accept my offer on other items,
Soon as I saw he had posted, (7.30am here), felt right, that's usually my 'grouse level" for a bought items. 5 and and half hours to find, research, pay and get posted
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It does , would have to be a copy, Dawn started making them in 1960's even came with plastic jaw covers and the cylinder holding plug.
It is more of a big Brother than I thought.
Thankyou very much, I may be able to find out how the holding plug works now via Record- vague thoughts that it screws into head and held in vice - doesn't seem quite right thou.
The plug is a perfect fit for the smooth pipe jaws and just fits on and protrudes out of the non-offset side- now that makes sense-just took me a year to think of it.It does , would have to be a copy, Dawn started making them in 1960's even came with plastic jaw covers and the cylinder holding plug.
It is more of a big Brother than I thought.
Thankyou very much, I may be able to find out how the holding plug works now via Record- vague thoughts that it screws into head and held in vice - doesn't seem quite right thou.
The dawn is pretty much an exact copy of the Record 74 - patent ran out by the 1960's ? or a made by license deal ?
I'm wrong again,
Ah and just clicked, was trying to find when the style/mounting changed- don't think it did, you have a 75 pictured (5 1/4" jaws, 48 lbs), where the Dawn copies a 74 (4' jaws, 26 lbs) different mounting.
Mr. Wonderful
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Had a member reach out and say they thought they saw what looked like my Prentiss 75 for sale somewhere on the east coast. If it’s this one it’s a scam and not me.
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Here’s a beautiful, 1915 Erie Tool Works catalog that I was lucky enough to stumble upon recently. At almost 110 years old, it is in stunningly good condition. I’ll leave you to guess which pages I was most interested in. I’ll be making scans of all pages and uploading them to IA once the website is up and running again.
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njc41980
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Anyone know how I can get ahold of a Paramo no. 6 vise?
I missed out on one at an estate sale a while back, and it's bugged me ever since then. I'm not a vise expert, but I get my heart set on certain hard-to-find models of things sometimes, and can't let go.
Doesn't need to be an expensive pristine specimen, but I want one.
I missed out on one at an estate sale a while back, and it's bugged me ever since then. I'm not a vise expert, but I get my heart set on certain hard-to-find models of things sometimes, and can't let go.
Doesn't need to be an expensive pristine specimen, but I want one.
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I just bought a 5 locally, they are out there cheap. Wonderful well built vise, up there with athol, hollands, reed, wilton, etc imho. Smooth and tight vise. Handles and jaws available reasonable from england too..this is it after jaws,, handle, repaint and big time clean.
justintendo
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Starrett 324 1/2 after refurbish, and Antique Vises jaws!
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Depending on your price point, they're certainly out there. https://www.ebay.com/itm/124946194263
A handful of them have been posted here on GJ, so there's always the chance that the owner might be interested in passing theirs on. That's personally what I would recommend. Best of luck in your search!
Mr. Wonderful
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Just in case you didn’t know, there are other brands that are identical to the one you’re looking for. It might broaden your search. This Dawn vise is the same thing out of Australia. I think some Records and Rae vises are the same as well. There’s a lot of info on this site about the variants.
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Colmal - Sorry, I clicked on the wrong catalog page. Yes, mine was the 75. I see you posted the 74 from 1935.
All good, made me search a bit more and found some good stuff, Wouldn't mind finding a 74 and 75 now either
My big error with the Dawn was visualizing a modern 6 cylinder head, held by the holding plug, couldn't work it out, so simple when you look at the Record ads,
The Imp arrived yesterday, somehow it is a lot better than the photos, really happy with it.
Also found another Record I wouldn't mind, (not this one-don't like the 1 only pic of damage to back and no mention from the seller)
Was aware Record was made under license in Aus during the 60's I think, have to hunt that info down again
I don't like them enough to buy a damaged one, and not at the high price this one is selling for. (LOL- uh, cheaper than the Imp, but there was a severe case of FOMO going on with the Imp, and didn't mind paying overs for it.)
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