New DeWalt wrenches rbrt style?

[Fusion13]

Like like DeWalt has a new set of wrenches coming and look like rbrt wrenches... 6 point box end with teeth in middle of flats, teeth on the open end etc
DWMT45429 it's the number of the set

 

[Fedwrench]

Craftsman Overdrive in Dewalt Trim?

Looks like to can get a larger 18 piece wrench set up to 24mm

DeWalt DWMT45429 TOUGHSERIES 18-Piece Metric Combination Wrench Set

Take on a wide range of tough demands. From the shop to the jobsite, the DEWALT TOUGHSERIES 18-Piece Metric Combination Wrench Set includes wrenches featuring powerjaw technology that allows for 30% more torque on rounded fasteners*. These wrenches have a 15 degree offset to provide access in...

www.toolnut.com

 

[Ohio Andy]

Craftsman Overdrive in Dewalt Trim?

Looks like to can get a larger 18 piece wrench set up to 24mm

DeWalt DWMT45429 TOUGHSERIES 18-Piece Metric Combination Wrench Set

Take on a wide range of tough demands. From the shop to the jobsite, the DEWALT TOUGHSERIES 18-Piece Metric Combination Wrench Set includes wrenches featuring powerjaw technology that allows for 30% more torque on rounded fasteners*. These wrenches have a 15 degree offset to provide access in...

www.toolnut.com

Oh no, it does not include a 23 mm... I think a Miata drain plug might be 23 mm.

I at least wish they would tell you which wrenches they include.

 

[Rabid Badger]

I thought SBD abandoned the DeWalt mechanic's tools when they rolled out Craftsman. They had the best deep-offset wrenches for the money at one point.

 

[Fedwrench]

Oh no, it does not include a 23 mm... I think a Miata drain plug might be 23 mm.

I at least wish they would tell you which wrenches they include.

Crappy listing for sure maybe they just cut & pasted what product info Dewalt sent out

I enlarged the wrench roll picture, and it looks like the set runs 6-20 mm no skips, 21, 22, & 24 mm. I 'm not sure how often the 20 mm wrench will get used though

 

[Cruzan80]

6-20 mm no skips, 21, 22,

Some would just say 6-22, no skips and a 24...

 

[Fedwrench]

I thought SBD abandoned the DeWalt mechanic's tools when they rolled out Craftsman. They had the best deep-offset wrenches for the money at one point.

SBD never ceases to confuse me. I went to the DEWALT website to see if I could find out more info about the new tough series wrenches and discovered that some of my favorite Dewalt items like their round head ratchets, ratcheting wrenches, and some of the 72 tooth pear head ratchets are discontinued. It looks like Dewalt is releasing a 144 dual pawl ratchet which might be a rebadged Craftsman Overdrive ratchet

 

[Ohio Andy]

Some would just say 6-22, no skips and a 24...

Thanks. I wondered if it would be readable on a non-phone screen.

 

[Ohio Andy]

SBD never ceases to confuse me. I went to the DEWALT website to see if I could find out more info about the new tough series wrenches and discovered that some of my favorite Dewalt items like their round head ratchets, ratcheting wrenches, and some of the 72 tooth pear head ratchets are discontinued. It looks like Dewalt is releasing a 144 dual pawl ratchet which might be a rebadged Craftsman Overdrive ratchet

Craftsman overdrive is "180".

I bought some to try against rounded fasteners... And I like them.

 

[Ohio Andy]

Crappy listing for sure maybe they just cut & pasted what product info Dewalt sent out

I enlarged the wrench roll picture, and it looks like the set runs 6-20 mm no skips, 21, 22, & 24 mm. I 'm not sure how often the 20 mm wrench will get used though

Very common, which is why it annoys me that Stanley does such a crappy job with their original marketing literature. I didn't expect vendors to make their own

 

[Andres26tnt]

I'm surprised garagejournal is just hearing about it, as these have been out for at least 3 months. Seen them on Instagram first. They most definitely the dewalt rbrt/overdrive version.

SBD never ceases to confuse me too. They seem to not have any self-awareness on where their brands fit or how they might compete with each other. I understand most aren't cross shopping. But we live on the information age, and we have lots of popular influencers that research and tell people about this kind of stuff. Also clearly SBD can provide full no skips set for cheap for one brand, but not the others huh . All I know now is that MAC is becoming less relevant now.

Look like the ratchet is the size of the 120 dual palw version. I own the 180t overdrive version and it's way to big and heavy. If that is the case its a welcome change.

 

[Ohio Andy]

SBD never ceases to confuse me too. They seem to not have any self-awareness on where their brands fit or how they might compete with each other. I understand most aren't cross shopping. But we live on the information age, and we have lots of popular influencers that research and tell people about this kind of stuff. Also clearly SBD can provide full no skips set for cheap for one brand, but not the others huh . All I know now is that MAC is becoming less relevant now.

Well said...

Is Mac under the SBD umbrella?

Sure SBD make a no skip set? Most of the stuff I see has skips but I have not spent a lot of time looking. I just assume skips on anything they make.

I was surprised at how well SK arranged to have no skips in a socket set.

SK Mechanics Tool Set, 1/4" & 3/8" & 1/2" Drive Socket with 216-P Ratchet, 149-Piece, SAE & Metric, SuperKrome Finish, with Storage Suitcase

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CZKT3SXQ?tag=atomicindus08-20

Look like the ratchet is the size of the 120 dual palw version. I own the 180t overdrive version and it's way to big and heavy. If that is the case its a welcome change.

I like the 1/4". The 1/2" is a beast (have not used the 1/2 enough to have an opinion and I own lots of ratchets)

 

[Andres26tnt]

Well said...

Is Mac under the SBD umbrella?

Sure SBD make a no skip set? Most of the stuff I see has skips but I have not spent a lot of time looking. I just assume skips on anything they make.

I was surprised at how well SK arranged to have no skips in a socket set.

SK Mechanics Tool Set, 1/4" & 3/8" & 1/2" Drive Socket with 216-P Ratchet, 149-Piece, SAE & Metric, SuperKrome Finish, with Storage Suitcase

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CZKT3SXQ?tag=atomicindus08-20

I like the 1/4". The 1/2" is a beast (have not used the 1/2 enough to have an opinion and I own lots of ratchets)

Yes facom/proto/Mac are all SBD premium offerings, you can also place dewalt up there as they see it as a premium powertools. All those brands excluding facom offer no skip sets up to 19mm. The bigger sizes do skip, but that more common. Rbrt was exclusive to MAC, now it's offered across the board by almost all SBD brands. It's Slightly less grippy in non MAC form. The design works so well that's it still baffles me on how they reduced what made MAC somewhat special.

 

[d.mcfarland]

Craftsman Overdrive in Dewalt Trim?

Based on the Craftsman website photos there are 3 grooves in the open end of the wrenches and on the Dewalt there are only 2? I'm not positive, as it's hard to tell.

 

[Ohio Andy]

Yes facom/proto/Mac are all SBD premium offerings, you can also place dewalt up there as they see it as a premium powertools. All those brands excluding facom offer no skip sets up to 19mm. The bigger sizes do skip, but that more common. Rbrt was exclusive to MAC, now it's offered across the board by almost all SBD brands. It's Slightly less grippy in non MAC form. The design works so well that's it still baffles me on how they reduced what made MAC somewhat special.

Thanks for that, I should have known that but the context really helps...

 

[ChevyEFI]

They look longer than my 6pt combos I have. Don't care about RBRT. Are the box ends protruding? That's a fav. feature on SO.

 

[Retired dozer fixer]

Why the hell do you people get all bent out of shape over ******* size skips in wrenches and sockets in sizes that you will never use??

 

[Fusion13]

Never going to get these in Canada by the look of it. Can't even get the craftsman's either

 

[ChevyEFI]

Never going to get these in Canada by the look of it. Can't even get the craftsman's either

How is your Facom and Proto distribution situation?

 

[CHI_Tool&Die]

I'm surprised garagejournal is just hearing about it, as these have been out for at least 3 months. Seen them on Instagram first. They most definitely the dewalt rbrt/overdrive version.

SBD never ceases to confuse me too. They seem to not have any self-awareness on where their brands fit or how they might compete with each other. I understand most aren't cross shopping. But we live on the information age, and we have lots of popular influencers that research and tell people about this kind of stuff. Also clearly SBD can provide full no skips set for cheap for one brand, but not the others huh . All I know now is that MAC is becoming less relevant now.

Look like the ratchet is the size of the 120 dual palw version. I own the 180t overdrive version and it's way to big and heavy. If that is the case its a welcome change.

I still think it is odd as hell that MAC trucks have Milwaukee tools on them.

 

[Ohio Andy]

Why the hell do you people get all bent out of shape over ******* size skips in wrenches and sockets in sizes that you will never use??

The problem isn't that they skip. The problem is they sell a set and they don't tell you what they skip. It's kind of like a surprise buy this. We're not going to tell you what you get me. It's there. Maybe it's not.

They can skip anything they want, as long as they tell me because I just might use one of those oddball ones that they chose to skip.

I think it was a craftsman set, but I could be mistaken, were they skipped something where there was a direct SAE and metric equivalent. One of the sets had at one of the sets didn't. I think they included it in metric but not an SAE. So if you needed it, you just had to grab the equivalent metric. But if it was something you used then you only had the SAE, you were cut out of luck.

 

[Andres26tnt]

Based on the Craftsman website photos there are 3 grooves in the open end of the wrenches and on the Dewalt there are only 2? I'm not positive, as it's hard to tell.

So all the lesser versions of rbrt have some teeth missing from the design. The full RBRT design is exclusive to MAC/USAG/Facom. Crafts/DeWalt version have some teeth missing to reduce the "grippiness". The design is really good so even with the missing teeth it grips well. Torque test channel did a good vid on the Craftsman overdrive.

 

[Andres26tnt]

I still think it is odd as hell that MAC trucks have Milwaukee tools on them.

Mac dealers are allowed to sell some self Precure items. A lot of them choose to go with what sells(Milwaukee). Goes to show how much SBD has eroded MAC. You will think SBD realize no one cares much for DeWalt hand tools, and just focus on it's power tools. Mac power tools are mostly DeWalt in red.

The DeWalt product line is so confusing, makes perfect sense as SBD is also confusing. SBD could be an industry leader, but they are content in being second. DeWalt plays second fiddle to Milwaukee, Mac is second to snap-on, heck third to Matco .

 

[drtyler]

I still think it is odd as hell that MAC trucks have Milwaukee tools on them.

They have to peddle something that sells well and keeps fuel in the truck.

 

[Odd-job]

Why the hell do you people get all bent out of shape over ******* size skips in wrenches and sockets in sizes that you will never use??

I would normally agree in the buy what you need spirit, but in the buy once cry once GJ slightly alternative theory, one is better off with a complete set unless they work on a specific make or model or an industrial setting with consistent machinery and non crusty fasteners.

Started with a metric set pretty much built around Toyotas ( 8, 10, 12, 14, 17, 19, 21mm) and have since diversified to Euro cars and work a lot on bicycles where 15mm is common. Ended up getting frustrated enough into buying some complete sets and retiring the Toyota set for emergency use in the Toyota that ironically never breaks down. Can't remember ever using a 9mm or 20mm, but it would have been cheaper either way for me to buy a complete set on the front end.

 

[Fusion13]

How is your Facom and Proto distribution situation?

terrible haha

 

[Fusion13]

Mac dealers are allowed to sell some self Precure items. A lot of them choose to go with what sells(Milwaukee). Goes to show how much SBD has eroded MAC. You will think SBD realize no one cares much for DeWalt hand tools, and just focus on it's power tools. Mac power tools are mostly DeWalt in red.

The DeWalt product line is so confusing, makes perfect sense as SBD is also confusing. SBD could be an industry leader, but they are content in being second. DeWalt plays second fiddle to Milwaukee, Mac is second to snap-on, heck third to Matco .

Mac way ahead of Matco imo, matco sells ****

 

[Andres26tnt]

Mac way ahead of Matco imo, matco sells ****

You will be surprised how much matco sells

 

[2ndGearRubber]

I would normally agree in the buy what you need spirit, but in the buy once cry once GJ slightly alternative theory, one is better off with a complete set unless they work on a specific make or model or an industrial setting with consistent machinery and non crusty fasteners.

Started with a metric set pretty much built around Toyotas ( 8, 10, 12, 14, 17, 19, 21mm) and have since diversified to Euro cars and work a lot on bicycles where 15mm is common. Ended up getting frustrated enough into buying some complete sets and retiring the Toyota set for emergency use in the Toyota that ironically never breaks down. Can't remember ever using a 9mm or 20mm, but it would have been cheaper either way for me to buy a complete set on the front end.

Wait until you build a set for a brand, and they change sizes. Somebody needs to be in jail for 13mm appearing on Nissan a decade ago. 13mm is not a Nissan size! Fried my brain for probably 6 months.

Then you buy a reman brake caliper, which has a 9mm bleeder jammed in it, or worse 1/4.... you really have to have all the sizes in some basic form. 20mm open end fits great across 2 flats of a really rotted out 21mm. Or the box end or socket can be installed onto said 21mm, with a 4lb sledge.

 

[Ohio Andy]

Wait until you build a set for a brand, and they change sizes. Somebody needs to be in jail for 13mm appearing on Nissan a decade ago. 13mm is not a Nissan size! Fried my brain for probably 6 months.

Then you buy a reman brake caliper, which has a 9mm bleeder jammed in it, or worse 1/4.... you really have to have all the sizes in some basic form. 20mm open end fits great across 2 flats of a really rotted out 21mm. Or the box end or socket can be installed onto said 21mm, with a 4lb sledge.

You do know how that happens right?

The engineers that design the car get a kickback from the tool companies by choosing a tool size that no one has... I'm sure of it.

 

[AJHD]

The engineers that design the car get a kickback from the tool companies by choosing a tool size that no one has... I'm sure of it.

I have an entirely different theory regarding automotive engineers/designers...

 

[Ohio Andy]

I have an entirely different theory regarding automotive engineers/designers...

You mean that they hate mechanics

 

[AJHD]

You mean that they hate mechanics

More or less, yes. Or at least an indifference when it comes to the ease of repair or more simply put, I just don't think they give a ****.

But I'm also under no illusion that it's entirely their fault. They are given parameters and budget constraints which they have to work/design around or within.

I view modern automotive design as more or less a challenge to see how much **** they can stuff into increasingly smaller and smaller spaces. But then again, I'm being told that both the majority of society and government want certain things/features in modern vehicles and those things come at both a literal and figurative cost.

 

[Ohio Andy]

More or less, yes. Or at least an indifference when it comes to the ease of repair or more simply put, I just don't think they give a ****.

But I'm also under no illusion that it's entirely their fault. They are given parameters and budget constraints which they have to work/design around or within.

I view modern automotive design as more or less a challenge to see how much **** they can stuff into increasingly smaller and smaller spaces. But then again, I'm being told that both the majority of society and government want certain things/features in modern vehicles and those things come at both a literal and figurative cost.

I remember how easy it was to replace the radiator in my 1972 C-Body station Wagon. And then I look at the Radiator in my Toyota Camry.... You are probably correct, it is just designing to space rather than to make life easier. I am told that to replace the timing belt on my 2011 Buick Enclave has as Step 1: Remove the engine.

 

[username2]

More or less, yes. Or at least an indifference when it comes to the ease of repair or more simply put, I just don't think they give a ****.

I can't think of any overarching reason why ease/low cost of manufacture would ever equate to ease of repair.

It is kind of a bummer that automobiles haven't gone more down the road of standardization of interfaces. Maybe if coach builders had been kept well away from the drivetrain guys rather than building vertically integrated designs. In any case, how do you avoid the bits and pieces becoming fused into big ol' monolithic components? I'm kind of surprised that people can still open up engines and transmissions.

 

[username2]

I remember how easy it was to replace the radiator in my 1972 C-Body station Wagon. And then I look at the Radiator in my Toyota Camry.... You are probably correct, it is just designing to space rather than to make life easier. I am told that to replace the timing belt on my 2011 Buick Enclave has as Step 1: Remove the engine.

I'm surprised they haven't begun using an integrated fascia/radiator design.

 

[AJHD]

I remember how easy it was to replace the radiator in my 1972 C-Body station Wagon. And then I look at the Radiator in my Toyota Camry.... You are probably correct, it is just designing to space rather than to make life easier. I am told that to replace the timing belt on my 2011 Buick Enclave has as Step 1: Remove the engine.

Yeah, it should look something like the attached picture. This was from several years ago, but it's actually a Buick SUV if I recall correctly. I can't recall however what work was being done, but likely a timing belt given the front timing cover is on the ground.

I'm surprised they haven't begun using an integrated fascia/radiator design.

Most (or at least several) makes/model require disassembly of the front end to remove the radiator or A/C condenser or sometimes even just change a headlight bulb. In another thread I shared a picture of a Mazda from several years I had torn apart for a radiator replacement.


Anyway... This thread is going way off-topic. I apologize.

 

[dnschmidt]

Mac way ahead of Matco imo, matco sells ****

With the exception of their ratchets, which many consider to be the best, and their tool boxes also very highly regarded. The rest is just rebranded stuff.

 

[Beerhippie]

I remember how easy it was to replace the radiator in my 1972 C-Body station Wagon. And then I look at the Radiator in my Toyota Camry.... You are probably correct, it is just designing to space rather than to make life easier. I am told that to replace the timing belt on my 2011 Buick Enclave has as Step 1: Remove the engine.

Ever replace the front heater core of a VW Vanagon?

Step 1: Remove vehicle.

 

[Ohio Andy]

A very long time. Good friend of mine drives a Volkswagen that is provided as part of a pension plan.... And I have to say I really like the car and I considered looking at them to buy it and then I think I really don't want to deal with it apart from driving it.

And oh yeah when I read your reply I almost coughed up a lung I laughed so hard.