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Insurance is such a scam.

And sadly, scammers are to blame.

I am not going to explain.
Rian, the first time I filed a claim my car insurance doubled and stayed at that level for three years. The claim totaled $180 but I paid $450 in higher premiums. It taught me to pay for the majority of repairs out of pocket. I set my deductible as high as the insurance allows.
Good call, Rian. We like having you around here. ;)
Scott, Rian is one of the reasons I spend so much time here on the GJ.
I am a miserable man some days ehh ?
Yeah but misery loves company!
 
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I've learned that a lot of people who have lost everything in Helene and Milton don't have wind or flood insurance. I've been told I'm going to be forced to get flood insurance even though our house is on a ridge 28 feet above sea level. By the time flood waters reach our house there won't be any money left in the program.

I really hate insurance but I know the day I drop coverage (no mortgage so it's up to me to have it) a tornado will form across the street and lift our house up and carry it away. In 2005 I didn't file a claim for either storm because I chose a $13,000 deductible. I was going to file a claim for the pool enclosure but our next door neighbor had done that the year before. The screened enclosure company couldn't repair the broken section because the Florida building code changed after Andrew in 1992 and our house was built in 1988. They would have to tear the whole enclosure down and build a new screened enclosure to code. I balked at the $30,000 because the first $13,000 would come out of my pocket.

A local enclosure supply store was willing to sell me all the pieces (including the door) for me to make the repair myself. It would have been a piece of cake had I not needed a 24-foot square extrusion. Some very creative ratchet straps, twine and red rags picked up at HF on the way home helped immeasurably. Took me three days to transform that section from this...
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...to this:
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Full Disclosure: I installed the screening on the side walls and doors. A pack of Rhesus Monkeys installed the screening on the top. OK, they didn't look like monkeys but it's the only explanation for their ability to walk on the beams while pushing vinyl splines into said beams to secure the screening.

Milton didn't damage the screen enclosure but the sun has made the fiberglass screening quite delicate. Hopefully it will last until the screen monkeys are finished gouging the customers needing repairs from Milton.
Quite the lofty ridge you live up on there Bob! Dont think ridge is a word I have ever heard to describe the terrain in Florida.
 
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Quite the lofty ridge you live up on there Bob! Dont think ridge is a word I have ever heard to describe the terrain in Florida.
@Xti04, most of South Florida is really flat, 5 meters or less above sea level. Coral Ridge is an actual neighborhood in Ft. Lauderdale that is 7 meters, two meters higher than the nearby Ft. Lauderdale Hollywood International Airport. The ground at our house is 10 meters so it's unusually high.
 

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Rian, the first time I filed a claim my car insurance doubled and stayed at that level for three years. The claim totaled $180 but I paid $450 in higher premiums. It taught me to pay for the majority of repairs out of pocket. I set my deductible as high as the insurance allows.

Scott, Rian is one of the reasons I spend so much time here on the GJ.

Yeah but misery loves company!


You see Bob, these insurance sharks screw you with your eyes wide open.
Intimidation and point blank thievery makes us save them money, and when you claim, they will have all that cash back out of you in 36 months.

I have been burgled three times in one year and fortunately the insurance assessor paid out fully.

But car insurance………. 🥜 in a 🗜️
 

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@Xti04, most of South Florida is really flat, 5 meters or less above sea level. Coral Ridge is an actual neighborhood in Ft. Lauderdale that is 7 meters, two meters higher than the nearby Ft. Lauderdale Hollywood International Airport. The ground at our house is 10 meters so it's unusually high.

That is crazy! I lived on a barrier island outside of Charleston, SC and my house was ~15ft above sea level, if I recall correctly. Luckily, during my 5ish years there I never had to deal with a bad storm, just a couple CAT3s that were just nice long rainy weekends.
 

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When I first moved to Tampa I needed go to Sanford, FL . I wasn't knowledgeable about Florida towns and I asked one of the locals about Sanford. We were standing outside at the time and he told "You can see it from here!". Fortunately I caught the flat Florida joke before I started looking in the direction he was pointing.
 

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Rian's comment reminds me of the three (maybe four) horsemen of disasters.
  1. Insurance -- takes your money to up their income and then 'up yours.'
  2. Looter -- takes your stuff when you're most vulnerable,
  3. Scammer -- takes your money up front to repair your stuff and then disappears.
  4. ?
I am sure all have see the Progressive commercials and how friendly Flo et al are there to help,
Rian's comment reminds me of the three (maybe four) horsemen of disasters.
  1. Insurance -- takes your money to up their income and then 'up yours.'
  2. Looter -- takes your stuff when you're most vulnerable,
  3. Scammer -- takes your money up front to repair your stuff and then disappears.
  4. ?
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Insurance companies’ primary mandate is
1- to collect premiums
2- to deny claims

And even when they pay , they will screw you right after wards.

I am sure you have seen Flo et. al in Progressive insurance commercials and how much they take care and help the clients! Well my former boss was with Progressive for years and never had a claim. Then one year while traveling late in the evening on a country road a deer sideswiped him out of nowhere. Progressive grudging paid for the repairs but then dumped him and refused to even renew his policy when it was due.

A couple years ago there was an article in USA Today titled “Are You Really In Good Hands” about a lady who worked for AllStates and who got in a bad accident. AllState first fired her and then was refusing to pay for the medical bills! So much for AllState slogan “ You’re in good hands!
 
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You see Bob, these insurance sharks screw you with your eyes wide open.
Intimidation and point blank thievery makes us save them money, and when you claim, they will have all that cash back out of you in 36 months.

I have been burgled three times in one year and fortunately the insurance assessor paid out fully.

But car insurance………. 🥜 in a 🗜️
Rian, I have wasted time and money looking for better rates. Best I can tell, insurance companies have really attractive prices to trick me into switching and a year later leapfrog the price my previous company charged.

We leave the house so rarely that burglars are frustrated. They would have a hard time casing our house (two blocks from the main police station) and it's a 50-50 chance Liane is home alone, oiling her Beretta.
That is crazy! I lived on a barrier island outside of Charleston, SC and my house was ~15ft above sea level, if I recall correctly. Luckily, during my 5ish years there I never had to deal with a bad storm, just a couple CAT3s that were just nice long rainy weekends.
Mike, I noticed that quite a few homes in Charleston had what appeared to be a sacrificial first floor, with entry staircases that led to the entrance eight or ten feet off the ground. I seem to recall Hugo making a mess back in 1989.
When I first moved to Tampa I needed go to Sanford, FL . I wasn't knowledgeable about Florida towns and I asked one of the locals about Sanford. We were standing outside at the time and he told "You can see it from here!". Fortunately I caught the flat Florida joke before I started looking in the direction he was pointing.
@555, I've been to every state and all of them have plusses and minuses. Breathtaking scenery isn't one of Florida plusses.
I am sure all have see the Progressive commercials and how friendly Flo et al are there to help,

Bob
Insurance companies’ primary mandate is
1- to collect premiums
2- to deny claims

And even when they pay , they will screw you right after wards.

I am sure you have seen Flo et. al in Progressive insurance commercials and how much they take care and help the clients! Well my former boss was with Progressive for years and never had a claim. Then one year while traveling late in the evening on a country road a deer sideswiped him out of nowhere. Progressive grudging paid for the repairs but then dumped him and refused to even renew his policy when it was due.

A couple years ago there was an article in USA Today titled “Are You Really In Good Hands” about a lady who worked for AllStates and who got in a bad accident. AllState first fired her and then was refusing to pay for the medical bills! So much for AllState slogan “ You’re in good hands!
@gman007, I don't understand how the characters in insurance commercials are supposed to give us confidence in the companies they are plugging. Flo dresses too much like Nurse Ratched and the emu seems to be the smarter than his (her?) partner.
So good to hear that the storm didn't cause any major issues and you are safe.
Matias, thanks so much for stopping by. It looks like your life is turning into a multinational adventure. I suspect you, like me, loves every new home and the memories they create. Please keep us posted on your current adventures.
 
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It has been unusually windy, cloudy and 'cool' here for the past few days (for us, cool is a low of 76° and a high of 81°). I am liking the direction the two latest storms are taking. Tropical storm Nadine has already made landfall in Belize and will affect Guatemala and southern Mexico as well. Hurricane Oscar is projected to make a u-turn after tapping Cuba.
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Seemed like a good day to take care of the Robellini palms out front. One of the palms has grown too tall to trim it with the short stepladder so the six-footer came out. Managed to keep my toes intact this time.
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The Duchess of Boca requested I cut down the palm with a Staghorn Fern growing on it. She feels it makes the entrance to the house too dark.
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Instead of taking the easy way out by cutting down the palm, I cut the Staghorn Fern free from the palm. Put the palm fronds in the wagon to go to the curb tomorrow and wheeled the fern into the back yard, pending a decision from the Duchess regarding its new home. I'll have to wrap it around one of the trees in the back yard and tie it in place so it attaches itself there. Put the tools away and quit for the day.
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Good landscaping around the Manse, Bob! I would love to be able to grow a staghorn fern like this anywhere around our place, inside or out. There is not a chance, though, I'm afraid, unless I build a special terrarium room or something like that. This would not be my first attempt.
 
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I use a couple pieces of PVC pipe to hold mine.
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Thanks to Kay (@kaymccampbell) today was semi-productive. Her post reminded me how annoying that wand extension is. I now have PVC storage tubes on my pressure washers. Couldn't find glue-on caps but I did find long #8 threaded screws and nuts.

The easy one was the gas powered pressure washer. A screw through the bottom of the tube and a couple of hose clamps, done and dusted.
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My SunJoe electric pressure washer came with plastic wands but I converted it to standard wands and tools. I used the plastic wand storage rack with a couple of screws (another long #8 and a really short sheet metal screw (so it didn't stick out inside the tube.
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I tested the wand height to see if it would fit in its normal storage location under the cabinet. It fit fine before I put that screw through the bottom of the PVC pipe. Thank goodness it was really really close and the cabinet door is attached with European hinges. Loosened a couple of mounting screws and used one of my flimsy little furniture jacks to lift the door. Tighten the screws and re-test the fit.
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Done and dusted. OK, maybe I still need to do some dusting.
 
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I myself like the look of the corner without the staghorn fern; less cluttered.

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Dan, I do dislike being wrong but it does look better. My actual disagreement was the staghorn fern removal process. Cutting the palm off at the ground didn't make sense. Rather than argue, I just peeled the fern off the palm.
Good landscaping around the Manse, Bob! I would love to be able to grow a staghorn fern like this anywhere around our place, inside or out. There is not a chance, though, I'm afraid, unless I build a special terrarium room or something like that. This would not be my first attempt.
Alan, when our daughter moved to Ohio, she gave us a couple of staghorns she had hanging in her Florida yard. They were hanging from a tree in the side yard that died so I moved them to the Mahogany out front. Now we have staghorn ferns all over the yard.
Great job, it does indeed look a lot neater and less cluttered! And keeping the toes intact, well that is a bonus :) !
@gman007, the bonus is Liane is happy. Happy toes are another bonus.
Breathe taking scenery isn’t a Florida plus? Bob you need to visit the beaches more often especially when I’m there in my speedo and Florida Safety Shoes. 😎
Shorty, I used to go to the beach for lunch every working day of the week when it wasn't raining. We have three large beaches with lots of parking. That was when it was $20 a year per car for a resident. It's $85 now and a single weekday pass is $25 ($50 on weekends). Even parking at the Palmetto Park Road Pavillion that used to be free is now $2 an hour. I have to settle for the surf cameras now. My speedo or thong attracts near zero attention in my office.
Remember, Shorty- the potato goes in the FRONT of the Speedo.
Scott, I feel so bad that Shorty has room for a potato.
 
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Good landscaping around the Manse, Bob! I would love to be able to grow a staghorn fern like this anywhere around our place, inside or out. There is not a chance, though, I'm afraid, unless I build a special terrarium room or something like that. This would not be my first attempt.
Wife really wants a staghorn, but prices in our neck of the woods are outrageous. Plus I've no idea where one would fit, though I'm sure she'd find someplace to shoehorn in the staghorn.
 
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Yes indeed, most important thing is that Liane is happy! As the old saying goes, happy wife, happy life!
@gman007, I like to surprise her every once in a while. Back in '98 (boy does that sound like geezertalk) we took a Scandinavia/Russia cruise and bought her some wildflowers for the cabin. You'd have thought it was a diamond necklace. Last trip to Costco she saw a pair of earrings she liked so I added them to the shopping list.
Wife really wants a staghorn, but prices in our neck of the woods are outrageous. Plus I've no idea where one would fit, though I'm sure she'd find someplace to shoehorn in the staghorn.
@zanyad, they like an environment between 50-75°F and moderate to high humidity. That pretty much excludes outdoor location for Ohio. On the other hand, I nurtured a gardenia bush in our upstate New York kitchen. They like the same conditions as staghorn ferns . I used to coax gardenia buds to open by nicking them with my thumbnail early in a fall party. Handing out gardenia blooms to the wives when they left at the end of the party was always a big hit.
@zanyad

Will staghorn fern even survive the winter cold this far north?
So you might be off the hook!
@gman007, staghorns thrive in zones 9-12. Coastal South Florida is zone 11 and Tallahassee is zone 8 so staghorns are pretty much limited to Florida and southern Texas and Louisiana. You can mount a stagnorn on a bark-covered board and only put it outside for the summer up north. I did that with the kitchen gardenia (moved the barrel planter to the south-facing and very dark deck) but a surprise early frost killed it.
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[EDIT] I just noticed the TV antenna. With a rotator, we could watch Albany, Connecticut, NYC and Philadelphia stations on our one and only 21" (maybe 23") TV in the basement playroom. It had the obligatory fondue pot as well.
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Landscaping looks great! I’ll be doing some today
Thank you Cody. I was going to hang the staghorn on a backyard tree today but it appears much of my day will involve a Wallyworld shopping trip.
 
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Thank you Cody. I was going to hang the staghorn on a backyard tree today but it appears much of my day will involve a Wallyworld shopping trip.

Folks look at me weird when I call Wal-mart "Wally world".

Course I call Wal-mart that, due to my dad calling it Wally World. Wonder how it got started if it was something common?
 
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Folks look at me weird when I call Wal-mart "Wally world".

Course I call Wal-mart that, due to my dad calling it Wally World. Wonder how it got started if it was something common?
Cody, it was a fictional theme park that appeared in the 1983 movie National Lampoon's Vacation.
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Bob, after being away most of last week I just thought I'd check in and get caught up.

So glad to hear you and Liane are doing well and escaped most of the storm damage.
 

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Cody, i was a fictional theme park that appeared in the 1983 movie National Lampoon's Vacation.
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Yep, I knew about the movie, but I guess folks just took the name of the park and just started calling Walmart that. Oddly I was thinking that Walton had something else that was called Wally world, but I just didn't know.
 

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Hah, I was reading staghorn and thinking about horns of a deer or something. Then the discussion went to temperature and it cleared up by reading more :)

Nice idea of those pvc tubes. I knew they were handy for other stuff but that´s a good use for them I will probably use when I next time get a garage.

BTW, did the fondue pot get any use?
 

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Will staghorn fern even survive the winter cold this far north?
So you might be off the hook!
Not year-round, like Bob says.
@zanyad, they like an environment between 50-75°F and moderate to high humidity. That pretty much excludes outdoor location for Ohio.
There's a greenhouse here that feeds the Cleveland parks (Rockefeller Park Greenhouse). They have staghorns there, that's where I first encountered them. I figure the master bath (where most of the other more tropical plants are) may be a good spot.
 
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Yep, I knew about the movie, but I guess folks just took the name of the park and just started calling Walmart that. Oddly I was thinking that Walton had something else that was called Wally world, but I just didn't know.
Cody, I always suspected the destination was a Disney park but using that name would have been a guaranteed lawsuit. Back in the '80s I think the Waltons were happy with any publicity that didn't include driving small businesses out of existence. Innocent times!
Hah, I was reading staghorn and thinking about horns of a deer or something. Then the discussion went to temperature and it cleared up by reading more :)

Nice idea of those pvc tubes. I knew they were handy for other stuff but that´s a good use for them I will probably use when I next time get a garage.

BTW, did the fondue pot get any use?
Matias, the fern's fronds look a lot like a stag's antlers. I think they look like Caribou or Reindeer antlers more than deer or elk.

I find a lot of uses for PVC, like TIG filler rod storage, tool storage and plant braces. When I saw what Kay did with the pressure cleaner wands, I had to do mine right away before I forgot. I know I would remember the next time I rolled the pressure washer out and the wand fell on the ground. These days I'm doing a lot more things that help me avoid bending over.

Fondue caught our attention after we visited the World's Fair in Flushing, New York in the spring of 1965. Everyone raved about this fondue dish served at a restaurant at the Switzerland pavilion. The first winter in our first house in 1966, one of the neighbors threw a fondue party and we were hooked. It was a relatively cheap dish and every couple brought their own fondue pot with their choice of cheese, wine and bread. Pretty sure a few stopped at a McDonald's on the way home to fill up.
 

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Ha! Last year my oldest daughter discovered fondue, an had to have us over for a fondue party. I tried to explain we had been there, done that, but after watching my grandkids dip "unique" things, like oreo's, cheese curds, skittles and other exotic things, I just quit commenting. After the party was over the wife and I left, and promptly got a fast food meal!
 
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Landscaping looks great, Bob, nice and tidy. I wish I had palm trees!
Thank you Nick! I have learned over the years to count my blessings. I don't envy the cold and snow as I age but living in a warm climate means landscape work is year round. Your landscaping chores will be done when you finish raking the leaves in the fall. When you are out blowing, plowing or shoveling snow, I'll be pressure washing walkways, trimming and trashing palm fronds and watching Marcos and his family mow and trim the yard.
Bob, after being away most of last week I just thought I'd check in and get caught up.

So glad to hear you and Liane are doing well and escaped most of the storm damage.
Mike, I love the trip stories and photos. I especially enjoyed the photo of the meal in your motor home. When we towed that little trailer across North America back in the mid-'50s, we ate off a set of Melmac dinnerware because paper plates were uncommon and very flimsy.

On the way to Alaska in 1957, we drove 1,500 miles from Edmonton, Alberta to the Alaska border on unpaved roads. The travel trailer we were towing was nailed together and had no seals around the wheelwells so superfine dust got into everything. We would get up in the morning and have breakfast. Heat two gallons of water on the little gas stove and fill a big enameled bowl and wash the dishes. By the time we stopped for lunch we washed the dishes in cold water before we ate. Washed the dishes after lunch with hot water and secured them in the cabinets over the sink. Dinner was the same routine: wash dishes, eat and wash dishes again but at least we didn't have to wash them the next morning for breakfast. Gas stations were 100-150 miles apart and towns were even further apart. Canned and dried food was the only things on the menu and I decided my cold cereal tasted better with water than the powdered milk back then.

@gman007, I can't attach your post but it's interesting that Six Flags Magic Mountain in Los Angeles was the Wally World movie location. I rarely patronized theme parks growing up. The day Disneyland opened we were leaving Los Angeles, heading to Sequoia National Park, Yosemite National Park and Mount Lassen National Park. I thought we could make a quick stop but traffic was backed up for many miles.

We did take our kids to Disney World for a week in 1973, two years before we moved to Florida. The park was two years old at the time and their A, B, C, D and E ticket ride system was a nightmare. The impressive rides were all E-tickets and each one invoved a 3-hour wait. Three days of that and we gave up. Drove to Tampa Thursday to visit Busch Gardens and the next day visited Cypress Gardens. No waits and free beer at Busch Gardens was a lot more fun. Once we were Florida residents we did get Disney World season passes and went more often. Avoiding the tourist season meant a much more pleasant experience and included Epcot and Animal Kingdom.
Kay, thanks for that! I don't recall that commercial playing in our TV market so it's a fresh treat for me.
Not year-round, like Bob says.

There's a greenhouse here that feeds the Cleveland parks (Rockefeller Park Greenhouse). They have staghorns there, that's where I first encountered them. I figure the master bath (where most of the other more tropical plants are) may be a good spot.
@zanyad, a master bath would be the perfect environment for staghorns.
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I managed to get the staghorn ******* in the backyard tree. I thought pantyhose would be the perfect solution but they stretched way more than I expecteed. Managed to wedge it in place with my old 6-foot aluminum stepladder.
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Ha! Last year my oldest daughter discovered fondue, an had to have us over for a fondue party. I tried to explain we had been there, done that, but after watching my grandkids dip "unique" things, like oreo's, cheese curds, skittles and other exotic things, I just quit commenting. After the party was over the wife and I left, and promptly got a fast food meal!
Fred, that's so perfect. We never did the chocolate fondue thing but I know that would be a big hit with our grand- and great-grand kids. Probably with Liane as well.

Sometimes our restaurant choices have ended up being more appetizer than meal. I distinctly remember eating at a very fancy and expensive Japanese restaurant and having to fill the voids with a Grumpy Meal on the way home.
 

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Ha! Last year my oldest daughter discovered fondue, an had to have us over for a fondue party. I tried to explain we had been there, done that, but after watching my grandkids dip "unique" things, like oreo's, cheese curds, skittles and other exotic things, I just quit commenting. After the party was over the wife and I left, and promptly got a fast food meal!
We still do the fondue meal deal at our house. The kids loves it and they enjoy prepping for it. We usually start with a cheese dip for bread, veggies. Then a broth with steak, chicken, veggies, and mushrooms. then it's a chocolate dip with fruit, marshmallows, and sweet crackers.

They make a big deal out of it, and I believe we are doing it for the oldest daughter's birthday as she turns 19 and will be home from college.

I can see oreos for the chocolate dip though, but the others don't sound like a good thing for a fondue!
 

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Mike, I love the trip stories and photos. I especially enjoyed the photo of the meal in your motor home. When we towed that little trailer across North America back in the mid-'50s, we ate off a set of Melmac dinnerware because paper plates were uncommon and very flimsy.

On the way to Alaska in 1957, we drove 1,500 miles from Edmonton, Alberta to the Alaska border on unpaved roads. The travel trailer we were towing was nailed together and had no seals around the wheelwells so superfine dust got into everything. We would get up in the morning and have breakfast. Heat two gallons of water on the little gas stove and fill a big enameled bowl and wash the dishes. By the time we stopped for lunch we washed the dishes in cold water we ate. Washed the dishes after lunch with hot water and secured them in the cabinets over the sink. Dinner was the same routine: wash dishes, eat and wash dishes again but at least we didn't have to wash them the next morning for breakfast. Gas stations were 100-150 miles apart and towns were even further apart. Canned and dried food was the only things on the menu and I decided my cold cereal tasted better with water than the powdered milk back then.

I love hearing stories like that Bob.

We eat in our coach a lot, but I'm not gonna lie, there are certain places that we have found some great places to eat so when we travel we do partake of the local eateries. Moreso now I think than when our son was younger and he traveled with us. Much of that was due to keeping costs down but also because some of the places like up in the mountains snowmobiling and in the middle of the sand dunes there just weren't restaurant options. :bounce:

Even now however, my wife many times will do some meal prep the week or so before we leave so we have options to stay in or go out. Seems like when we go to rallies or gatherings, we tend to eat in the coach more often as we are with a group and many times by the time we run a trail, get back to camp, hurry to Happy Hour and visit and by the time that is over, we are too tired to go out so the wife just cooks something in the coach.

I am also glad she likes to cook and even enjoys cooking when we travel, but a bit simpler meals when traveling. We've had some great meals sitting in the coach eating dinner while watching a storm pass through. When my in-laws traveled with us before my MIL passed away, I would do more grilling as my in-laws enjoyed that. We would do a pot luck style meal with them when they traveled with us in their travel trailer.

I still enjoy getting the grill out of the basement storage now and grilling something for the wife and I but it's usually a much simpler meal than in years past.

I even carry a small gas fire pit with 5-gallon propane bottle for sitting around outside in the evenings, however, this year we never even got it out of the coach. Last year when we had some friends travel with us we used it a few times and I really miss sitting around the fire after dark visiting with friends. Unfortunately, I feel those days have slipped away from us as all our friends are hanging up the keys to their RV's and settling down at a home base somewhere.
 
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