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I spent some time working on the Parker today... I machined a new screw retaining plate out of some 1018...
I still need to finish the top edge... I ran out of time today. I also need to figure out how to 'age' the new plate... it's not perfect, but it fits and works pretty well.
-Bear
I worked on the Parker #4 again today...
I finished the screw retaining plate...
I need to get a more appropriate bolt.
I also found a piece of 'mystery metal' rod and made a replacement jaw pin for the missing one. I tapped it in place, filed the end to match the jaw angle, then used a ball peen hammer to mushroom the end...
It turned out ok...
Now I need to machine a new handle... if anyone can give me handle dimensions, I would appreciate it... I would like to make it as close to the original as possible.
-Bear
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ok, NOW it's finished. Installed the stepped washer I machined that locates the wave washers and itself into the dynamic jaw. ZERO backlash just like I like it. There's a bronze bushing inside there as well to eliminate screw wobble.SP3
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supposed to be another pic. ???
Shiftless
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Nice work!
I nominate SP3’s rehab job as the best exposed screw vise restoration.
I nominate SP3’s rehab job as the best exposed screw vise restoration.
tool_scrounge
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2.25” blacksmith vise?
saw this for $40 on ebay. No clue who is the mfg.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/326346366513
saw this for $40 on ebay. No clue who is the mfg.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/326346366513
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I don't know if I recall seeing one with a bronze nut. Very cool. I have a couple made by Stubbs but different features2.25” blacksmith vise?
saw this for $40 on ebay. No clue who is the mfg.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/326346366513
RTM
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Those were popular in Europe, and I think Sargent or Stearns used to carry one here. Seen a few at flea markets in Europe, wish I'd bought one.
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neophyte
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This style of vise may go back 1,000 years.2.25” blacksmith vise?
saw this for $40 on ebay. No clue who is the mfg.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/326346366513
The design specifically enables this type of vise to be forged from standard wrought iron bar stock, and somewhat standardized wrought iron bar stock may be back 1,000 years or more as well.
I doubt it’s 1,000 years old, but 100+ years old may be possible.
Maui
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That Ridge Tool 43 CPN is a solidly built combination vise. I have the smaller version of it. Mine was in the Nestle chocolate factory in Fulton NY for at least half a century before I got it. I am impressed with the overall design.
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Picked up a very nice Vanderman No.3 this past Wednesday afternoon in San Mateo, California.
It had languished deep down on the end of my local C/L ( approaching 18 days) when I first noticed it; reached out to the seller and he agreed to hold it for me until I finished my work shift.
Seller was a tradesman in his seventies and it was procured by his father over fifty years ago-it has been sitting in the corner of his basement for at least 40 years. He told me that it’s too damn big to move, and I never got around to building a bench suitable to hold it.
I FULLY concur
It’s a pig !!
It had languished deep down on the end of my local C/L ( approaching 18 days) when I first noticed it; reached out to the seller and he agreed to hold it for me until I finished my work shift.
Seller was a tradesman in his seventies and it was procured by his father over fifty years ago-it has been sitting in the corner of his basement for at least 40 years. He told me that it’s too damn big to move, and I never got around to building a bench suitable to hold it.
I FULLY concur
It’s a pig !!ALLFAST
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RTM
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I saw that earlier, convinced myself I didn't need another vise right now. Did he have other goodies? There's been a guy posting some decent stuff in San Mateo lately that's been a surprise so I may have to look closer.
ALLFAST
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Limited myself to one, 40 minute, knock down , drag out round with this thing this morning!
Finally got the set screw freed from the collar, separated the dynamic from the body, and wire wheeled the jaw inserts, forged slide, and a small section on each of the jaw towers-
Also wire wheeled the snout and camshaft sized lead screw
. These appear to all have the original handles configured with one end threaded so the ball end comes off for removal.
Need to get this bend straightened out, clean up the collar threads and get a new set screw.
I had to hold the body and dynamic up to my slow speed 10” grinder/stainless wire wheel and work them as I was not interested in getting the jaw insets off right now….
Needless to say, the body weighs about 90, and the dynamic is around 60. These No. 3s are no joke. I gave it all a liberal wipe down with GIBBS until our next round.
Finally got the set screw freed from the collar, separated the dynamic from the body, and wire wheeled the jaw inserts, forged slide, and a small section on each of the jaw towers-
Also wire wheeled the snout and camshaft sized lead screw
. These appear to all have the original handles configured with one end threaded so the ball end comes off for removal. Need to get this bend straightened out, clean up the collar threads and get a new set screw.
I had to hold the body and dynamic up to my slow speed 10” grinder/stainless wire wheel and work them as I was not interested in getting the jaw insets off right now….
Needless to say, the body weighs about 90, and the dynamic is around 60. These No. 3s are no joke. I gave it all a liberal wipe down with GIBBS until our next round.
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Shiftless
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The ability to hold 10 inch pipe bests what most of us have at our disposal.
My user vise is a Wilton C1 that has a max pipe size limit of 3 1/2 inches. I’ve never needed even that. But if I decide to start an oil refinery or sewage plant machine shop, I’ll have to upgrade.
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ALLFAST
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Thank you CRS. I’ve got that image saved.
I spoke with Oregon Rock Crusher about the different text styles of logos ( curved top script vs all straight, the two different cities, patent dates vs no date, and that circular front logo) and we think this one might be 1890-1900 plus.
It was not equipped with the optional brass pipe jaw bars for 2” pipe work.
ALLFAST
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Hello Shift! Well, my momma didn’t raise no fool, in that I couldn’t let this rare duck slip away-I’ll never be building locomotive/ship/mining steam engines, but I’ve become the temporary caretaker of a very significant and cool piece of industrial tool historyThe ability to hold 10 inch pipe bests what most of us have at our disposal.
My user vise is a Wilton C1 that has a max pipe size limit of 3 1/2 inches. I’ve never needed even that. But if I decide to start an oil refinery or sewage plant machine shop, I’ll have to upgrade.
This dude can hold chunks of wood or larger doll heads
ALLFAST
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I read that the slides and dynamic jaws on the No.3s were forged steel, bonded together. While cleaning this today I noticed the very tight forge lines and these two pins which appear to go through and through.
I’ve highlighted in red the lines/pins for reference. Any other No.3 custodians notice these details on theirs?
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I have seen at least two Vandermans that were cracked where the dynamic jaw connects to the slide. Both were cast iron jaw towers and had brazed repairs. Pretty sure the slide was steel and inserted into the casting mold with the pins to help hold it together. See this patent drawing and text. Ed.
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Thank you for the clarification and intel Ed! It looks like you left the original main jaw insert retention hardware in place and painted over them?
Oregon rock crusher
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I don't think those pins shown in the patent drawing were ever intended to be visible or even if they used them throughout production. Other vises with steel slides like Ridge tool co. had similar casting anchor features. I've always assumed they would just be buried in the casting to help hold things together and had never noticed them on an actual vise....but it does appear they are ghosting through on yours.
One Vanderman I saw repaired had broken about where I put the red line in the attached image. The weld had been ground smooth but the repair was still visible. The other had gobs of weld all around where the slide enters the dynamic jaw. It was a #2 at a swap meet for cheap and had so much greasy **** on it I had to scrape down to spot the repair. It was a disaster.
On edit I realize I may have missed answering your question Allfast. I don't think I ever removed my jaw inserts and didn't strip the vise far enough to even notice what hardware they used. They were painted over when I got it and they still are....added an old pic that shows where they protrude through the casting opposite the jaws. Ed.
One Vanderman I saw repaired had broken about where I put the red line in the attached image. The weld had been ground smooth but the repair was still visible. The other had gobs of weld all around where the slide enters the dynamic jaw. It was a #2 at a swap meet for cheap and had so much greasy **** on it I had to scrape down to spot the repair. It was a disaster.
On edit I realize I may have missed answering your question Allfast. I don't think I ever removed my jaw inserts and didn't strip the vise far enough to even notice what hardware they used. They were painted over when I got it and they still are....added an old pic that shows where they protrude through the casting opposite the jaws. Ed.
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Shiftless
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That old Massey is a cool vise. Do you have a picture of the marking on the other side of the slide where it says “Clincher” ?
Your vise is about 100 years old or more. Great find!
For more info, here is a link to an old post from a GJ legend, Fierljeppen, who decided to drop out and no longer post here on GJ.
Post in thread 'Vise Info Thread'
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/vise-info-thread.355753/post-9117369
Your vise is about 100 years old or more. Great find!
For more info, here is a link to an old post from a GJ legend, Fierljeppen, who decided to drop out and no longer post here on GJ.
Post in thread 'Vise Info Thread'
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/vise-info-thread.355753/post-9117369
ALLFAST
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Hello Ed,
I’ve yet to fully clean this one ( down past the greasy/scudge layers) in order to check for two more (?) pins which might be visible.
I’m pretty sure this one is damage/repair free and will get some more photos as I get further along…I did notice very distinct/orignal joint lines where the slide and base of the dynamic meet. Looks like a build up of a fillet weld, but from the original forging (?) process which every Rock Island ( 6 so far) I’ve ever had seems to share…
I did see this extra photo among your original post and they definitely have the original ( round Flush) look of mine.
I much appreciate your thorough feedback!
Have a great Sunday Sir!
Best regards,
Shawn
I upgraded and got 3 new display cabinets/bookshelves a few weeks ago- gave me some more room - LOL then somehow got 8 more small vices to fill it and hopefully a 6" in the next day or so.
Getting my originals out of the way presently, have a Fabrex with a rust gel on it at the moment-need to wait 90 minutes so I'm here.
Gave my Stanley Victor a going over last week, needs another gentle clean ,but getting there - jsu trying to preserve it as much as I can being an original paint, slightly used example. Haven't disassemble it as didn't want to risk any damage, and after seeing this Video tonight happy with that decision.
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Getting my originals out of the way presently, have a Fabrex with a rust gel on it at the moment-need to wait 90 minutes so I'm here.
Gave my Stanley Victor a going over last week, needs another gentle clean ,but getting there - jsu trying to preserve it as much as I can being an original paint, slightly used example. Haven't disassemble it as didn't want to risk any damage, and after seeing this Video tonight happy with that decision.
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And last night was the Record Imp, came up well, just used a wet (using WD-40) wire brush on Dremel, a rag and dishwashing liquid.
Only problem is after removing the decades old gunk from screw/slide it works really well, want to use it as my everyday but hmmm, just way better condition than I've seen - so probably not. Easily the best little clamp on I have.
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Only problem is after removing the decades old gunk from screw/slide it works really well, want to use it as my everyday but hmmm, just way better condition than I've seen - so probably not. Easily the best little clamp on I have.
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ALLFAST
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Damn that came out well!And last night was the Record Imp, came up well, just used a wet (using WD-40) wire brush on Dremel, a rag and dishwashing liquid.
Only problem is after removing the decades old gunk from screw/slide it works really well, want to use it as my everyday but hmmm, just way better condition than I've seen - so probably not. Easily the best little clamp on I have.
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It did, really nice vice, no slop in the jaws and a 2 year old could wind it with one finger.
And the Fabrex, just the right amount of time for the rust gel tonight and some steel wool/soft bristle brush/Dishwashing Liquid.
A little grease (soaked it in WD-40 for 15 mins to make sure no water remained in it), works OK, nothing flash.
A little grease (soaked it in WD-40 for 15 mins to make sure no water remained in it), works OK, nothing flash.
2 small 2 1/4 Marples (different eras- have to research a bit more 1930's - 50's ?)) and a Rededa 3" bench vices are next up, in the degreaser at the moment and then into the molasses bath for a few days-going to have to clean before I go to sleep I suppose. Not sure how the English wandered in, but they did.
I did do what I think is the older of the 2 Marples a couple of days ago - 2" W Marples and sons, Sheffield, England, (on top jaw)
Used a stainless steel wire brush on a Dremel, for the jaws/handle and a brass brush on the rest, after being in the molasses a week.
Not sure what to do with it, as a previous owner had ground down the sides/top of the slide-fair bit of slop in it now.
And as usual forgot the before photos.
Came as a no name, price included delivery, happy with it as it gave me some info.
Used a stainless steel wire brush on a Dremel, for the jaws/handle and a brass brush on the rest, after being in the molasses a week.
Not sure what to do with it, as a previous owner had ground down the sides/top of the slide-fair bit of slop in it now.
And as usual forgot the before photos.
Came as a no name, price included delivery, happy with it as it gave me some info.
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Beerhippie
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$20 delivered? They paid you to take it!I did do what I think is the older of the 2 Marples a couple of days ago - 2" W Marples and sons, Sheffield, England, (on top jaw)
Used a stainless steel wire brush on a Dremel, for the jaws/handle and a brass brush on the rest, after being in the molasses a week.
Not sure what to do with it, as a previous owner had ground down the sides/top of the slide-fair bit of slop in it now.
And as usual forgot the before photos.
freebirdwelds
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I broke my Ohio Forge vise last Saturday. I've had that vise almost 40 years. I'll fix it and use it in the shop. I was bending a 1/4" x 2" wide hinge with a 20" Crescent wrench when it let loose.
I replaced it with a Wilton XC Tradesman Bullet 6.5 inch vice. Had to bore new 13/16" holes and used 3/4" grade 8 bolts and nylock nuts on it and a **** ton of red loctite to hinder thieves.
I replaced it with a Wilton XC Tradesman Bullet 6.5 inch vice. Had to bore new 13/16" holes and used 3/4" grade 8 bolts and nylock nuts on it and a **** ton of red loctite to hinder thieves.