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Steve_P

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I picked up this old belt sander from the Humane Society thrift store yesterday. I have said several times I should buy one.......saw this for $10 and grabbed it.

Hopefully it uses a standard sized belt- some of the old sanders like that used belt sizes that were obsolete 30 years ago. I think my dad had a sander like that and the belts were obsolete by the late 80s. He had some made for it....
 

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Not a new tool but the subject of screw starters came up here maybe two weeks ago. Today I grabbed mine in the shop to take a peek at it and yes, the grooves are right-hand thread, like you could twist this into something. I've just been pushing with it, into soft pine, I guess.

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Sears Craftsman, USA, Western Forge, No. 41396.
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I see one on ebay at $23.50 before shipping which is bananas. File under "keep an eye peeled at garage sales" item.

I probably got mine at HJE. Not in stock. I did find this, a Husky screw holder-as-you-start-it (Western Forge, I'm sure.)


My dad had something like that when I was a kid; I think it was Phillips with four little grabber fingers. I don't think we ever used it.
 

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Are there any particular sizes giving you problems? Bear in mind that you may find BA sizes as well, and that post war the hex size for 3/16 was standardised on a 2BA.
Oh, just when I thought I have all possible wrench sizes now. :)

Actually I think this BSA was originally destined for the Italian market from the factory. I "think" British manufacturers shipped the bikes in parts and then were assembled by the dealer at the destination?

Because I see some of the screws are marked "USAG" (Italian?) and some are marked "Zimmer" (German?). They are also marked 8.8 (metric grade) and with the three radial lines that mark the SAE grade 5. They are used on frame coponents but not on the engine. They seem to have metric sized heads.

The threads are weird. I have recently bought a tap and die BSF set too. I can thread the old screws onto it (the 1/4" screw die)

I see BSF has a 55 degree angle thread. I think the UNF and UNC threads in the similar size are too different to work and would completely strip out the BSF screw?

But reading further, there is also the British Cycle Thread that has that same pitch but a 60 degree angle. That one would work very closely. Is it unlikely BSA used the British Cycle Thread on the engine screws?
 

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I've been using the Rubbermaid version of that--or, rather, the original from which that was copied--as a TIG welding cart for years. Lots of weight on it and it hasn't so much as sagged. Rubbermaid is about three times the price, so let's hope your is as durable.
Good to hear. I looked closely at the Rubbermaid version and at the reviews of this one.
This one got really good reviews (4.7 out of 5 with almost 2.3k reviews).
I can't be certain but I suspect they both come from the manufacturer.
 

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Oh, just when I thought I have all possible wrench sizes now. :)

Actually I think this BSA was originally destined for the Italian market from the factory. I "think" British manufacturers shipped the bikes in parts and then were assembled by the dealer at the destination?

Because I see some of the screws are marked "USAG" (Italian?) and some are marked "Zimmer" (German?). They are also marked 8.8 (metric grade) and with the three radial lines that mark the SAE grade 5. They are used on frame coponents but not on the engine. They seem to have metric sized heads.

The threads are weird. I have recently bought a tap and die BSF set too. I can thread the old screws onto it (the 1/4" screw die)

I see BSF has a 55 degree angle thread. I think the UNF and UNC threads in the similar size are too different to work and would completely strip out the BSF screw?

But reading further, there is also the British Cycle Thread that has that same pitch but a 60 degree angle. That one would work very closely. Is it unlikely BSA used the British Cycle Thread on the engine screws?

USAG is an Italian company. In modern times, they make tools. I don't know what else they got up to. (Don't mention the war!) Acquired by Frenchies at FACOM in 1991. Which was then acquired by Stanley/Black & Decker.

Er... Zimmer is a German name. Or the word for "room", which I learned from this educational documentary as a child.

 
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Shattered the tip on my pretty new Wera, finally bought a snap on screwdriver. For 20 bucks, they're basically the price of 2 wera, so when it wears out twice I'm now money ahead.

Maybe you should have hit that screw with a Vessel screwdriver first? Loosen it up with the full-tang type (red handle), then reach for their Impacta impact driver screwdriver. (Silver handle.)
:D

https://www.harryepstein.com/products/vessel-tools-phillips-jis-tip-screwdriver-set-6-pc-9806jspb
 

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It happened, I broke 2 rules. Never buy cheap power tools from places like HF & Walmart, etc. Although that rule for HF is not as applicable anymore. I also did not want to buy another battery platform. But this thing was so cheap & I really wanted one for work.

$50 for a brushless die grinder including a battery (1.5 ahr) is cheap. But being a cheap *** when it comes to tools for work I waited. Then it dropped down to under $47 so I bought it. 4.0 battery was $25 & the "real" charger was $15 so I got those too (combo available for these for $36 but was OOS). Tool comes with just a wallwart slow charger.

Been using it at work for a little over a week now. Time will tell how long it will last but it will only live an easy life mainly just deburring brackets when I need to make em. We have air die grinders at work but every single one *****, waste more time fumbling with them to get em to work & drag out the air hose than the time actually using them.

This one actually feels slightly better in hand than the MW to me & looking at the side by side it is slighy smaller. I'm not a fan of M12 ergonomics. It's nice that it has a built in spindle lock so no need for two wrenches like the MW or air die grinders. The lock doesn't feel that solid but at least it exists. The speed ramps up weird which I don't like but for the price I can live with it.

Made a magnetic hook for it to hang on the side of my tool box at work. Gonna make one for MW at home too but it usually gets stored in a drawer.

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My “Dremel” is a Hypertough. I bought it for what I thaought was going to be a one time use as a cutoff tool where I couldn’t get a 4” grinder. It was less than half the price of a Dremel. That was about 4 years ago. I don’t use it a lot but it gets used more than I thought I would use it, I probably use it 3-4 times a year and it’s held up fine.
 

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Popular Mechanics 24" Mechanic's Box. Unsure on OEM, but it's a really well made box, and from what I've found online, was US-made (guessing '80s or '90s era). WM must have had multiple companies make toolboxes for them--my smaller one is thin gauge metal and flimsy, while this one is every bit as good as my nice Craftsman boxes. So, Waterloo?

Drove by the antique store near my house a few days back (Wednesday), and noticed a pretty big toolbox. Weather was getting worse and traffic was starting to pick up, so I called the guy since I'm a regular customer. He said it was a Popular Mechanics (aka Walmart's old store brand for tools) and it would be $25. I said that sounded good and I'd pick it up on Friday or Saturday--I paid for it and picked it up yesterday.

Thinking this one will be my main hand-carry box, since my Granddad's '60s Craftsman is being filled with correct tools as per original spec, my old (smaller) PM box is now electrical, and plastic ones are now storage-only.

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Quite a massive upgrade over the tiny Stack-On that barely held what I just used around the house. Even crammed my big Jet Rocket 20 oz. hammer, a Speed Square, a Klein brace drill, two packs of DeWalt bits (drill and drive), my compact tool roll, and a Kobalt 1/4 socket/bit set in there with room to spare.

Only thing missing is my V-Series ratcheting screwdriver--forgot I left it in the cheap Hyper Tough 12V kit (stored in a Harbor Freight $2 toolbag) I mostly keep in the UTV.

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Looks almost identical to my 20” StackOn from the late ‘80s or early ‘90s.
 

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Dang wish I would’ve seen that at an antique store haha. I collect Popular Mechanics branded stuff. Most of it was really good back in the day. Great find.
I had some of the black, hard handle, tri-lobe screwdrivers that I bought at Walmart in the early’90s. My son still has them. I liked them when I needed a little extra torque, like a wood screw, but they sucked if your hands were greasy.
 
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Semi-hole mechanic

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Not a new tool but the subject of screw starters came up here maybe two weeks ago. Today I grabbed mine in the shop to take a peek at it and yes, the grooves are right-hand thread, like you could twist this into something. I've just been pushing with it, into soft pine, I guess.

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Sears Craftsman, USA, Western Forge, No. 41396.
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I see one on ebay at $23.50 before shipping which is bananas. File under "keep an eye peeled at garage sales" item.

I probably got mine at HJE. Not in stock. I did find this, a Husky screw holder-as-you-start-it (Western Forge, I'm sure.)


My dad had something like that when I was a kid; I think it was Phillips with four little grabber fingers. I don't think we ever used it.
I have a screw holding flat head CMan, that came from Dad. Pretty sure it’s a USA made by WF, as most of Dad’s CMan screwdrivers were from the late ‘60s to early’90s. I don’t know if it has ever been used except with the holder pushed up the shaft.
 

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I have a screw holding flat head CMan, that came from Dad. Pretty sure it’s a USA made by WF, as most of Dad’s CMan screwdrivers were from the late ‘60s to early’90s. I don’t know if it has ever been used except with the holder pushed up the shaft.

In related news, I went to use one of my new Vessels recently, on a light bulb cover in the back of the oven. (In the link above, red handled long Ph #2.) Pleasantly discovered it was magnetic, which helped with this job.

(Of course, you can always magnetize a screwdriver.)
 

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Maybe you should have hit that screw with a Vessel screwdriver first? Loosen it up with the full-tang type (red handle), then reach for their Impacta impact driver screwdriver. (Silver handle.)
:D

https://www.harryepstein.com/products/vessel-tools-phillips-jis-tip-screwdriver-set-6-pc-9806jspb

I have a few impacta, the Craftsman branded version. Pretty good, these were actually holding a vacuum pump together. The screws were pretty tight, but I broke it by hand while holding the pump in my other hand.

I try not to use those fancy drivers unless I absolutely have to, as if they break I couldn't just instantly get another due to shipping constraints.
 

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An order from The Jungle in an undercover van.

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The single deepwell sockets are both 25mm. I still needed one in the other box.

Someone last week posted a small 1/4"drive ratchet with a link to Amazon. I started looking and found this one, one side is 1/4" Dr and the other side is 1/4" hex bit.
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Shattered the tip on my pretty new Wera, finally bought a snap on screwdriver. For 20 bucks, they're basically the price of 2 wera, so when it wears out twice I'm now money ahead.
I had the exact same thing happen to one a couple months back taking of all things loose, a flipping refrigerator door hinge - WTF?!. I love those laser engraved tips but that was sure a disappointment.
 
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I had the exact same thing happen to one a couple months back taking of all things loose, a flipping refrigerator door hinge - WTF?!. I love those laser engraved tips but that was sure a disappointment.

So your Wera tip snapped, too? Danged Tool Rebels!
 

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Undercover van?

I saw these sockets on Amazon this week and found them totally resistible.

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Astro No. 4410. $63ish.

I'll use an extension, okay? And there are no Hansen socket racks with four rows on them! Not yet, at least!
Undercover, it was a plain white van. No blue/gray paint or Amazon decals.

Edit:, yes van. I didn't realize that autocorrect got me on that one.
 
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Undercover van?

I saw these sockets on Amazon this week and found them totally resistible.

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Astro No. 4410. $63ish.

I'll use an extension, okay? And there are no Hansen socket racks with four rows on them! Not yet, at least!

Interesting. Those could serve a purpose (nuts on extra long bolts, with no other wrench access).

Of course with my luck, they still wouldn't be long enough.

Mike
 

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Wera has been **** for the past few years. I've been telling people about it and I got a ton of downvotes from fanboys on reddit for doing so. The decline started maybe a year before they released that turbo screwdriver that can sacrifice torque for speed.

Are you telling me that the Germans imagined, conceived of a superior way of doing something then flubbed the execution? Why, I have never heard of such a thing!

:p
 

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Undercover, it was a plain white van. No blue/gray paint or Amazon decals.

Yeah, that goes on sometimes now. I'm not sure but sometimes it might even be a car? This issue of unmarked or rental vans plus Amazon's new "we can deliver it tomorrow between 4 am and 6 am! That's how fast!" option, well, this is America. Somebody's going to get shot.
 
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Yeah, that goes on sometimes now. I'm not sure but sometimes it might even be a car? This issue of unmarked or rental vans plus Amazon's new "we can deliver it between 4 am and 6 am! That's how fast!" option, well, this is America. Somebody's going to get shot.
Out here they've started using contract drivers, like an Amazon Uber. The only way to know the guy was delivering something was when he got out he had an Amazon vest and got the deliveries out of the car. Makes one a little suspicious 30 miles outside of town when you're not expecting some random car.
 

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FACOM 3/8" flex-head extendy-ratchet JXL.171. Made in Taiwan, although the labeling has no COO, that's the word on the streets for years now, their French stuff still reads FRONCE somewhere on the tool.

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I like the handle's thickness for my large hands. Grip is not rubbery soft-grippy, but there's a fine grained texture to it that seems to work and the grooves on the side edges help for grippiness, too. Head is not super thin but it is not thick, either. About average. Head is certainly not wide. Had a quick release button and a flippy-lever for on/off changes, which is how I like 'em! I first bought an extendy ratchet from HF a few years ago in 1/2" dr. and found out they're pretty neat indeed. Great for a junyard box, that one is.

The ring that is partly a red FACOM logo is the release ring for the detent keeper. It slides towards the **** of the handle about 7mm, and returns to normal position via a spring. 72 teeth.

Purchased from Amazon UK, shipped from North-Rhine Westphalia using Australia Post Global. Purchased November 25, received December 3. A fair price for this sort of FACOM at $81.85, free shipping, plus my usual state tax.

Oh, and MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ME.
 
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FACOM 3/8" flex-head extendy-ratchet JXL.171. Made in Taiwan, although the labeling has no COO, that's the word on the streets for years now, their French stuff still reads FRONCE somewhere on the tool.

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I like the handle's thickness for my large hands. Grip is not rubbery soft-grippy, but the
Cool!

I'm really attracted to the idea of being able to shear fasteners off without having to reach for a cheater!
 
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