RTM
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Correct answer is they probably ship UPS or FedEx, who don’t like to deliver to the Post Office, but they do.
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four.cycle
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^ That's it right there. Either drop it off at the post office or no sale.
There is a reason why Tacoma, Washington is the home of the porch pirate "Shotgun Box"
There is a reason why Tacoma, Washington is the home of the porch pirate "Shotgun Box"
RTM
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Can you pick stuff up at the UPS hub? We have both FedEx and UPS near work, and I have intercepted packages there. Used to be free, but probably not anymore.
CRSINMICH
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comal: This chart came from Dawn's 1972 catalogue. The abbreviations they used are given but it looks like they changed colour coding at some point. The SQ clip is from Dawn's 1967 catalogue. The lettering on it is different to the lettering on yours but the specs are probably similar. Nice find!
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four.cycle
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Yeah, I believe so. Last time I did that was 1990. Facility was down in Fife in the industrial area. NOT a fun drive from here - about 40 minutes to go about 12 miles.
If they don't want to ship it to the destination I give them, I don't buy it. Nobody has anything I cannot live without. The wonderful thing about the American free enterprise system is that there are always options - if they don't want my money, somebody else will.
Thankyou.
The HP Steel I've painted blue-it should be a darker colour, The 4" SP steel (currently red)I did around 18 months ago, but will be repainted, wrong shade but it will be a metallic hammer tone Blue.
The 6" SQ you highlighted is steel, mine is cast iron - 20lb heavier
The 5 1/4 HP, I can't find another example or catalogue mention of- may just be a short run-they do have 5 1/4 SQ in 50/60's catalogues, mine has the same base-but not machined for the Quick release or have the additional casting on the dynamic jaw.
Having a few examples together you can start working out the differences, up until the 6" arrived today thought the Steel HP 5 1/4 was big looks tiny now 27kg/ 60 lb - would be approximately 11 lb lighter than a cast iron example-if there is one. I 'm guessing they use a SQ base on the HP as more robust, sits higher but mainly cause it has 2 support posts for the screw which ties in with the heavier duty.
Also has an extra little support pad under both jaws, but think that is because it is steel not because of being HP (4" Steel SP has same pad), none of my other Dawns have the pad, including the 6" SQ.
Andy FitzGibbon
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I ordered an 8". It's a whole lot of vise for $99. And I can beat on it without feeling too guilty.
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Every one of mine came Fedex. Surprised they got here at all LOL!
Been sick the last few days and didn't get to mess with the Swivel base for the Big Palmgrens. . Got it done today. This is the Big *** 8" $90 Palmgren Engineers Vise in the pic. It's sitting on a Eclipse brand swivel base for their version of a 8" Engineers vise the EVM8. It comes with bolts and lockdowns.
This base will work for both the 6" and 8" Palmgrens.
Albeit with a little finessing!! This took less than 30 min total to adapt this base.
Out of 4 bases I ordered, this is the only one that will come close to fitting to the huge base on the palmgrens.
The first picture shows how much material needs to be removed from mounting slots on both the 6 and 8". About .090 give or take. I used the base itself to eyeball the clearance needed. I used a right angle grinder with a 4.5" grinding wheel for this operation. It made short work of it.
You will need longer carriage bolts to utilize the swivel lockdowns. They are metric.
I could not find any metric carriage bolts in short driving distance. So I ran through the swivel lockdowns with a 27/64 drill and tapped them to 1/2-13". The metric thread was close to 1/2-13 so it was a easy job I then used 2.5" long 1/2-13 carriage bolts and grade 8 washers for the lockdowns to finish off this project.
The machined pads that are on the bottom of the vise are sitting on a flat surface for all four corners just like a Record made swivel base.. There is a lip on top of the Eclipse base that I may remove in the future to gain more purchase on the bottom faces. For now it's fine.
The Eclipse part # for this base is EMVSB-8
The cheapest place to get it in the states is Zoro.com. I've purchased 2 from there. They come out of Canada
so you won't get them for about a week and a half.
Anyway..pics
This base will work for both the 6" and 8" Palmgrens.
Albeit with a little finessing!! This took less than 30 min total to adapt this base.
Out of 4 bases I ordered, this is the only one that will come close to fitting to the huge base on the palmgrens.
The first picture shows how much material needs to be removed from mounting slots on both the 6 and 8". About .090 give or take. I used the base itself to eyeball the clearance needed. I used a right angle grinder with a 4.5" grinding wheel for this operation. It made short work of it.
You will need longer carriage bolts to utilize the swivel lockdowns. They are metric.
I could not find any metric carriage bolts in short driving distance. So I ran through the swivel lockdowns with a 27/64 drill and tapped them to 1/2-13". The metric thread was close to 1/2-13 so it was a easy job I then used 2.5" long 1/2-13 carriage bolts and grade 8 washers for the lockdowns to finish off this project.
The machined pads that are on the bottom of the vise are sitting on a flat surface for all four corners just like a Record made swivel base.. There is a lip on top of the Eclipse base that I may remove in the future to gain more purchase on the bottom faces. For now it's fine.
The Eclipse part # for this base is EMVSB-8
The cheapest place to get it in the states is Zoro.com. I've purchased 2 from there. They come out of Canada
so you won't get them for about a week and a half.Anyway..pics
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A progress report on my Wilton C3.
I got the "tapered" pin out. It's not tapered. Perhaps replaced by a previous owner. It fits tight in the slot in the slide, but there is a little slop in the hole in the jaw, hence the right-left wobble. The jaw is indeed threaded onto the slide. It came off easily.
I think I might drill a couple holes in the side of the jaw, all the way through the slide. Then tap the hole to accept headless machine screws with hex ends. Leave the ends exposed in case they need to be removed later. Maybe do the same on both sides and the bottom for more strength.
Your thoughts? Good plan, or a bonehead idea?
I got the "tapered" pin out. It's not tapered. Perhaps replaced by a previous owner. It fits tight in the slot in the slide, but there is a little slop in the hole in the jaw, hence the right-left wobble. The jaw is indeed threaded onto the slide. It came off easily.
I think I might drill a couple holes in the side of the jaw, all the way through the slide. Then tap the hole to accept headless machine screws with hex ends. Leave the ends exposed in case they need to be removed later. Maybe do the same on both sides and the bottom for more strength.
Your thoughts? Good plan, or a bonehead idea?
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RTM
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I wouldn't. I would look for a tapered pin to put it back to right, even if I needed to redo the taper to clean it up, just get a larger tapered pin. If that failed, I may think harder about your method.
Oregon rock crusher
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Here's a pair of Yost vises I picked up a while back. A 105 and a 204. I just got around to cleaning them up a bit. Only repair was a quick and dirty swivel nut for the 204 made from a deep socket, a nut, and a carriage bolt. Both of these have cast in jaws with the sparse and shallow cut cross hatch pattern. Good solid vises that can and have survived a bit of rough use. Ed.
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I have a chance to buy a Prentiss 19-1/2 vise from a good friend and collector for $250. Seems to be in good shape, but is missing the pin for the swivel jaw. Is this a good choice? Any idea how old it is?
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Outlawmws
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Why are you waiting?
Beerhippie
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RUN, don't walk, and BUY it!
You can make a pin that works:
You can make a pin that works:
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Beerhippie
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For that price, yeah.I'm new here and looking to pick up my second Vise. Looking at Reed as first choice but maybe others.
Any thoughts on this 104 R for sale near me?
Considering holding out for a swivel base.
I mount my vises to the outside corners of my workbench. One has a swivel, one doesn't. The swivel vise last had the swivel loosened when I restored it. In other words, I don't use the swivel at all.
Outlawmws
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I rarely ever use my swivel base either. It is rare for an English made vise to even have a swivel base.
If you are pedestal mounting it, there is no reason for a swivel.
If you are pedestal mounting it, there is no reason for a swivel.
No swivel needed for my custom mounting either
remembered I had a bedside table hiding under my dining table this morning, was hesitant(scared) about putting 50kg on my shelf- much better - hasn't collapsed yet.
Apologies for my flippancy's, I really need to get out of where I am living to something with a garage- a big garage. Just making the best of things till that happens.
Josh Dekubber
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I'm limited on space in my garage so I'd like to mount on my work cart. Definitely need locking casters and maybe a bench grinder.
Most of my projects are full restorations on 1st and 2nd Gen. Weber Genesis gas grills.
Most of my projects are full restorations on 1st and 2nd Gen. Weber Genesis gas grills.
Josh Dekubber
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Any idea the maker of this vise? The ad just says 1941.
Beerhippie
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Well, I wouldn't say no reason... some day, I'll come up with one.
Old Radar
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There's your swivel!
Mr. Wonderful
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The collar and swivel base definitely look like Parker. I’ve never seen that swivel lock though. I’d definitely snag it if the price is right!Any idea the maker of this vise? The ad just says 1941.
Outlawmws
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The jaws are NOT Parker however, flat plates. I have similar locking levers on my 386 CP that saw WWII navy use
PghJKB
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Look like Desmond Stephens...
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Patrickm82
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Was that all done with a polishing wheel? If so that’s pretty impressive! Nice work
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Beerhippie
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Are you planning to wear that?
Josh Dekubber
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Maybe
Beerhippie
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Beats a giant clock.Maybe
Maui
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Beerhippie,I think we found it! Y'all rule!
https://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPatent.php?pn=65097&id=12903
Now to figure out how to see the entire patent.... But the one picture definitely shows the odd screw/nut arrangement on mine.
Damn--new oldest vise in the shop--by about sixty years.
You should post that vise up in the rare vises thread found here: https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/post-your-rare-uncommon-vises.506361/
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TheRealZeus
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Just looking thru some sites, haven't bought a vice for 24 hrs can't have that
Don't have anything like this and know nothing, but I'm pretty sure someone here does
There is a gentleman with the entire stand packed, & I’d thought have chimed in on this.. the patent is Colton, and the patent date is present on the mouth of the static body. The “fin” on the face of the dynamic is a real knuckle-buster, but a distinguishing characteristic of the Colton patented vises. I believe the patent was manufactured under the name Phoenix (see advertisement)
as well as Hayden & Barnes (previous post)…I do not know of others who manufactured offhand. I am wary on whether or not any of them were manufacturer branded, or not. Mine is not marked with anything except the patent.
+Edit/addition: note those phoenix vise seem to have a flatter faces, instead of the fin design. It is the patent # that coincided in a reference.. +
Here is a look at mine.
crescent dynamic
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Outlawmws
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That came out nice! There was a guy on Eprey that was selling that model polished up like that. Not cheap, but considering the labor involved, not bad either.
That is just polished, right? not plated?
Josh Dekubber
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Thank you
Yep polished after sanding . Starting with 60 grit and working on up to 3000 grit. About 16-20 hours.
I put it up for sale but I'll be happy to keep it if it doesn't sell.